The 1.6 patch notes thoughts ?

Joejudas

I got almost through them before I simply quit reading. Ult gains are a joke. There is a buff given now for abilties that gain ult, light armor is useless, DKs really got nerfed into ashes, THE TRIALS LEADER BOARDS ARE BEING RESET. The b2p thing was rough enough...this stinks.

Kilandros

Joejudas wrote: »

DKs really got nerfed into ashes

... And there goes your credibility.

Joejudas

Kilandros wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

DKs really got nerfed into ashes

... And there goes your credibility.

Because they did. Ok though whatever

dharbert

Joejudas wrote: »

DKs really got nerfed into ashes

At least we got to keep Battle Roar passive and they didn't nerf it. I'm sure someone will cry about that though. But yes, several DK skills got nerfed, especially Flames Of Oblivion and Cinder Storm.

Gorthax

they didnt get nerfed ROFL! everything was increased in damage. So you cant spam standard of might? Did you notice the part that said they adjusted skills that were causing performance issues in pvp?

"Adjusted the visual effects for the following abilities to improve client performance in Cyrodiil and Trials:
Standard of Might
Flames of Oblivion
Obsidian Shield and its morphs
Engulfing Flames."

Notice how the issues were revolved around DKs lol too many (lets be real 90% of the pvp pop WAS/IS DK) of the spammy mc spam spams going on :P

tpanisiakb16_ESO

Cinder Storm was a massive nerf to tanking DK's.

Edit: In fact I really can't see the skill being useful at all unless I'm missing something? In PvP you would roll out of it and deal with the 2.5 second snare; you should have a charge to ability anyway, so big deal. The snare means nothing to you if you're ranged. In PvE the 70% snare does nothing if you're tanking them in the Cinder Storm. At best it's now a fancy AOE damaging ability.

Joejudas

Congrats all your best PvE dps is completely useless now. My character is completely useless. I'm so frustrated

Joejudas

Gorthax wrote: »

they didnt get nerfed ROFL! everything was increased in damage. So you cant spam standard of might? Did you notice the part that said they adjusted skills that were causing performance issues in pvp?

"Adjusted the visual effects for the following abilities to improve client performance in Cyrodiil and Trials:
Standard of Might
Flames of Oblivion
Obsidian Shield and its morphs
Engulfing Flames."

Notice how the issues were revolved around DKs lol too many (lets be real 90% of the pvp pop WAS/IS DK) of the spammy mc spam spams going on :P

I can't play my DK as an effective DPS anymore for PvE. So what was improved ?

Haxnschwammer

Many small things, half of champion system, half of justice system, but nothing that can be called the 'greatest content update so far'... As they announced there won't be another content update until june this update is just underwhelming... Imperial city and wrothgard ( or how that's spelled) will be the first DLCs you have to pay for... All hail the cash shop...

rawne1980b16_ESO

Joejudas wrote: »

THE TRIALS LEADER BOARDS ARE BEING RESET.

It's moving on to a new chapter of the game on new platforms and "hopefully" new players.

Of course leaderboards are going to be reset.

When they first brought them in people asked for them to be reset monthly.

Joejudas

Also all our progress on the leaderboards is gone. Why are the hardcore players being punished so much recently.

Erock25

Joejudas wrote: »

Also all our progress on the leaderboards is gone. Why are the hardcore players being punished so much recently.

They had to reset them with the wide sweeping changes to the game.

Kilandros

dharbert wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

DKs really got nerfed into ashes

At least we got to keep Battle Roar passive and they didn't nerf it. I'm sure someone will cry about that though. But yes, several DK skills got nerfed, especially Flames Of Oblivion and Cinder Storm.

Wait, wat? Oblivion got a massive buff. It improves Weapon and Magic crit chance and doesn't cost magicka / doesn't turn of magick recovery.

lol, seriously dude. I don't even.

Kilandros

Joejudas wrote: »

Also all our progress on the leaderboards is gone. Why are the hardcore players being punished so much recently.

Because you beat that content when Sorcs weren't quite 100% useless. The new challenge will be beating that content with a Sorc who is in fact 100% useless now. Only those who succeed will be on the leaderboard.

Guppet

They were supposed to make stamina night blades work. But they only scaled one ability off stamina. Killers blade and concealed weapon needed to be off stamina too.

Also mighty peeved at sparks being removed. That ability was essential to dual wield killing trolls and other tough mobs.

I'm now less jazzed about 1.6. My classic stamina thief took a patch to the knee

Kilandros

Guppet wrote: »

They were supposed to make stamina night blades work. But they only scaled one ability off stamina. Killers blade and concealed weapon needed to be off stamina too.

Also mighty peeved at sparks being removed. That ability was essential to dual wield killing trolls and other tough mobs.

I'm now less jazzed about 1.6. My classic stamina thief took a patch to the knee

They missed some of the morph changes in the notes. Gina posted something that more of the NB abilities will scale of Stam but they were mistakenly omitted.

Gorthax

Joejudas wrote: »

Gorthax wrote: »

they didnt get nerfed ROFL! everything was increased in damage. So you cant spam standard of might? Did you notice the part that said they adjusted skills that were causing performance issues in pvp?

"Adjusted the visual effects for the following abilities to improve client performance in Cyrodiil and Trials:
Standard of Might
Flames of Oblivion
Obsidian Shield and its morphs
Engulfing Flames."

Notice how the issues were revolved around DKs lol too many (lets be real 90% of the pvp pop WAS/IS DK) of the spammy mc spam spams going on :P

I can't play my DK as an effective DPS anymore for PvE. So what was improved ?

oh so you mean relying on superior ultimate gains and using ultimates as a normal skill is a nerf to a build? You learn something new every day lol I always thought ultimates were supposed to, you know, feel ultimate. Not like just another skill :P Now it is more inline with how they wanted ultimates to be. Welcome to the life of a non DK my good sir

Wifeaggro13

tpanisiakb16_ESO wrote: »

Cinder Storm was a massive nerf to tanking DK's.

Edit: In fact I really can't see the skill being useful at all unless I'm missing something? In PvP you would roll out of it and deal with the 2.5 second snare; you should have a charge to ability anyway, so big deal. The snare means nothing to you if you're ranged. In PvE the 70% snare does nothing if you're tanking them in the Cinder Storm. At best it's now a fancy AOE damaging ability.

It was use full in VR dungeons, nice AOE Dot worked great for trash encounters. honestly all they are doing is making tanking worse and worse. the mechanics for the role are near non existent for the most part. 30% miss is nice engaging the friggin ridiculous amount of trash they throw at you in certain encounters like Praxin . Id gladly give half the bs DPs abilites of the Dk for some true tanking abilites and real agro management.

Soris

dharbert wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

DKs really got nerfed into ashes

At least we got to keep Battle Roar passive and they didn't nerf it. I'm sure someone will cry about that though. But yes, several DK skills got nerfed, especially Flames Of Oblivion and Cinder Storm.

Honestly did someone use Flames of Oblivion in pvp since beta? I dont think so.
Cinder, Wings and Battle Roar nerf is real(via ult gain hence every class affected) But now you have 15% and 30% increased dmg on ardent flame DOTs and increased damage done on low health targets via molten arranments.
Plus whip will stun off balance targets.

It's more liek buff than nerf

Khivas_Carrick

Joejudas wrote: »

Also all our progress on the leaderboards is gone. Why are the hardcore players being punished so much recently.

Dude, you lose more and more credibility in each post, just stop.

Dragon Knights did not get nerfed into the ashes, what happened was you were bought down to everybody else's level, and frankly even that's false because you're still pretty god damn strong and ahead of the others.

Ultimate gains are standardized for all classes and builds now, and as for that asinine comment about the leaderboards, it would be due to the fact that the entire game is taking a massive changing shift in how it does stuff, going from time based to point based AND the fact that they should be reset every so often.

FFS man, cry harder.

Gorthax

yea its buff buff buff for DKs, they are QQ'ing because of the no longer able to spam ultimates. Unintentionally give someone too much power and when they correct it, they feel they got nerfed even though it was unintentional lol

I would also like to direct EVERY DK to this:

"If the target of Fiery Grip is unable to be pulled to you for any reason, you will now be pulled to the target."

Ignore CC immunity and always chase your opponent. There you go, you have extended range that will pull you towards them once they are CC immune. Then couple that with your sword and shield (you know all of you DKs run it. even DPS builds LOL!) charge and guess what.....still gonna be a forced to be reckoned with! No escape. Bolt escape will be useless.

Joejudas

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Also all our progress on the leaderboards is gone. Why are the hardcore players being punished so much recently.

Dude, you lose more and more credibility in each post, just stop.

Dragon Knights did not get nerfed into the ashes, what happened was you were bought down to everybody else's level, and frankly even that's false because you're still pretty god damn strong and ahead of the others.

Ultimate gains are standardized for all classes and builds now, and as for that asinine comment about the leaderboards, it would be due to the fact that the entire game is taking a massive changing shift in how it does stuff, going from time based to point based AND the fact that they should be reset every so often.

FFS man, cry harder.

1. you obviously dont run end game pve on a regular basis.
2. You obviously dont run a dk.
3. good luck finding anyone with effective dps to run a trial.
4. making the game so watered down its " press one button...wait 8 secs...press one button" is going make us not even bother

dharbert

Soris_ESO wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

DKs really got nerfed into ashes

At least we got to keep Battle Roar passive and they didn't nerf it. I'm sure someone will cry about that though. But yes, several DK skills got nerfed, especially Flames Of Oblivion and Cinder Storm.

Honestly did someone use Flames of Oblivion in pvp since beta? I dont think so.
Cinder, Wings and Battle Roar nerf is real(via ult gain hence every class affected) But now you have 15% and 30% increased dmg on ardent flame DOTs and increased damage done on low health targets via molten arranments.
Plus whip will stun off balance targets.

It's more liek buff than nerf

This game is not only PvP. I use Flames Of Oblivion and Cinder Storm in PvE every day. Battle Roar, thankfully, did not get nerfed.

Gorthax

Joejudas wrote: »

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Also all our progress on the leaderboards is gone. Why are the hardcore players being punished so much recently.

Dude, you lose more and more credibility in each post, just stop.

Dragon Knights did not get nerfed into the ashes, what happened was you were bought down to everybody else's level, and frankly even that's false because you're still pretty god damn strong and ahead of the others.

Ultimate gains are standardized for all classes and builds now, and as for that asinine comment about the leaderboards, it would be due to the fact that the entire game is taking a massive changing shift in how it does stuff, going from time based to point based AND the fact that they should be reset every so often.

FFS man, cry harder.

1. you obviously dont run end game pve on a regular basis.
2. You obviously dont run a dk.
3. good luck finding anyone with effective dps to run a trial.
4. making the game so watered down its " press one button...wait 8 secs...press one button" is going make us not even bother

you act like light attacking or heavy attacking ONCE every 8 seconds is the end of the world.......sorry you have to weave one in once and a while.......

light attack --> skill skill skill skill skill skill skill skill --> light attack --> skill skill skill skill skill skill skill skill etc etc etc

yeup, I can CLEARLY see where its press one button wait, press one button wait. This game is dumbed down now. /sarcasm

Flaminir

Gorthax wrote: »

"If the target of Fiery Grip is unable to be pulled to you for any reason, you will now be pulled to the target."

Ignore CC immunity and always chase your opponent. There you go, you have extended range that will pull you towards them once they are CC immune.
........
No escape. Bolt escape will be useless.

I was busy being upset by the triple Surge nerf.... so at least you have taken my mind off it by pointing out another very real problem for Sorcs & buff for DK's.

grimsfield

Joejudas wrote: »

I got almost through them before I simply quit reading. Ult gains are a joke. There is a buff given now for abilties that gain ult, light armor is useless, DKs really got nerfed into ashes, THE TRIALS LEADER BOARDS ARE BEING RESET. The b2p thing was rough enough...this stinks.

I and many others are verry happy DKs are getting nerfed. They've been the most powerful class ever since launch. They are the most resilient class in pvp (by a pretty wide margin) and they currently put up the most single target and aoe in pve. They needed a nerf.

As for the leaderboards, ya it sucks they'r getting rid of the times. But the game is being changed so massively that current times really shouldn't be compared against the future ones

Gorthax

davedwildebeast wrote: »

Gorthax wrote: »

"If the target of Fiery Grip is unable to be pulled to you for any reason, you will now be pulled to the target."

Ignore CC immunity and always chase your opponent. There you go, you have extended range that will pull you towards them once they are CC immune.
........
No escape. Bolt escape will be useless.

I was busy being upset by the triple Surge nerf.... so at least you have taken my mind off it by pointing out another very real problem for Sorcs & buff for DK's.

telling ya, DKs are still going to be a force to reckon with, whereas sorcs are officially (as far as I can tell without being on pts) dead.

EDIT:"If the target of Fiery Grip is unable to be pulled to you for any reason, you will now be pulled to the target."

Ignore CC immunity and always chase your opponent. There you go, you have extended range that will pull you towards them once they are CC immune.

AGAIN I will quote that so the DKs coming here see this.....dont listen to one QQ about his ultimate spamming build as a DK is now ruined (it NEEDED it). DKs got so many buffs it is unreal. Greatly makes up for the "nerfs." Ignore cc immunity? No magicka cost for weapon crit AND spell crit?! <----WTF! thats just a few.......

Now go look at sorcs......then you will feel good about your precious DK. I run a DK, but stopped playing it (VR14). I literally might put my sorc up for good if it doesnt pan out when I get home and test the pts. I wont be going back to DK though, sick of PVDK (players vs DKs). I would like to see a rise of different classes in pvp tbh. Maybe now less DKs will be around in pvp!

One thing is for sure though, those who relied on no skill at all playing a DK will now be done. Those who HAD skill with the DK will still play them. No more over the top DK spammy mc spam spam of the ultis. I remember reading a thread where some guy was crying because this ultimate change would make it so he cant spam FIVE SoM anymore......

Do people NOT see a problem with that concept lol

Flaminir

TBH looking at it the DK buffs balance the nerfs...

With the possibility of the ulti change, (but that effects everybody)... And as you point out, spamming 5 standards at a time.... I won't even dignify any DK who can't see a problem with that with a response.

Overall they will stay the same... at the top of the tree.