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Gifting. Why B2P needs ingame Crown to Gold trading.
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With the payment change comes the opportunity for ESO to earn more cash for a healthy future, through a variety of combinations. People like me who will subscibe and also drop cash on the marketplace on boosts and fluff, those who buy DLC, those who buy DLC and fluff etc.
But without having a means of gifting Crowns/items ingame ZOS could be missing a trick. There will always be people without access to credit cards or much disposable income who would play, and grind away incessantly to earn gold in game with which to buy Subs/items/DLC from those with lots of spare cash but not so much time.
If gifting and crown exchange is in place then you could quite reasonably expect one cash rich casual player to actually be purchasing their own sub, but also potentially buy three or four other subs from people who are time/gold rich in game.
Everquest 2 has an it's called a Krono for example, which you purchase from the SOE online store for a little more than 1month recurring sub. It then is delivered to you in game and is tradeable to other players. Once bought it can be used to furnish the buyer with one months sub.
With the basic premise that more people playing equals more community, more player generated online presence and a better future for the game it seems shortsighted to not at least consider implementing such a system.
But without having a means of gifting Crowns/items ingame ZOS could be missing a trick. There will always be people without access to credit cards or much disposable income who would play, and grind away incessantly to earn gold in game with which to buy Subs/items/DLC from those with lots of spare cash but not so much time.
If gifting and crown exchange is in place then you could quite reasonably expect one cash rich casual player to actually be purchasing their own sub, but also potentially buy three or four other subs from people who are time/gold rich in game.
Everquest 2 has an it's called a Krono for example, which you purchase from the SOE online store for a little more than 1month recurring sub. It then is delivered to you in game and is tradeable to other players. Once bought it can be used to furnish the buyer with one months sub.
With the basic premise that more people playing equals more community, more player generated online presence and a better future for the game it seems shortsighted to not at least consider implementing such a system.
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Jennifur_Vultee✭✭✭✭✭Wow that's a really deep post, its going to require a lot of thought on my part to properly reply with "No". Buying/selling/trading crowns should be illegal in game, a breach of the TOS that is punishable by banning."Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters." – Albert Einstein
Treat a customer fairly and they will remember you. Treat a customer poorly and they never forget.
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Grapdjan✭✭✭✭Jennifur_Vultee wrote: »Wow that's a really deep post, its going to require a lot of thought on my part to properly reply with "No". Buying/selling/trading crowns should be illegal in game, a breach of the TOS that is punishable by banning.
It's going to happen anyway and people will get burned it, so why not do it properly and get more development cash from it.2 -
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✭✭Do you remember when everyone was happy about gold sellers being gone?
[reminiscence]
Adding gold into the crown store would just be a way to bring them back in a legal manner, with @ZOS approval.
What would be the advantage cash shop gold vs gold seller gold?Wololo.11 -
Frenkthevile✭✭✭✭NOPE, if they do something like this i'll quit. GW2 economy was RUINED the same way.3 -
Grapdjan✭✭✭✭Do you remember when everyone was happy about gold sellers being gone?
[reminiscence]
Adding gold into the crown store would just be a way to bring them back in a legal manner, with @ZOS approval.
What would be the advantage cash shop gold vs gold seller gold?
Because it is completely different. You are buying an item worth one month sub directly from Zos with cash and selling it to another player for gold. Or buying crowns directly from ZOS for cash and gifting them to a player. Botters and gold selling websites do not have anything remotely to do with this suggestion.1 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭With the payment change comes the opportunity for ESO to earn more cash for a healthy future, through a variety of combinations. People like me who will subscibe and also drop cash on the marketplace on boosts and fluff, those who buy DLC, those who buy DLC and fluff etc.
But without having a means of gifting Crowns/items ingame ZOS could be missing a trick. There will always be people without access to credit cards or much disposable income who would play, and grind away incessantly to earn gold in game with which to buy Subs/items/DLC from those with lots of spare cash but not so much time.
If gifting and crown exchange is in place then you could quite reasonably expect one cash rich casual player to actually be purchasing their own sub, but also potentially buy three or four other subs from people who are time/gold rich in game.
Everquest 2 has an it's called a Krono for example, which you purchase from the SOE online store for a little more than 1month recurring sub. It then is delivered to you in game and is tradeable to other players. Once bought it can be used to furnish the buyer with one months sub.
With the basic premise that more people playing equals more community, more player generated online presence and a better future for the game it seems shortsighted to not at least consider implementing such a system.
are you for really, hell no!!!!!
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✭✭I'm actually hoping everything in Crown store will be BOP, the fact stuff was resold through GTM ruined trading in SWTOR, want to sell Armour, nobody's interested unless it's the latest model (with a blinking light that stops blinking in three months for no reason).
So I am literally hoping that the cash shop is self only and Bind on Pickup.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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✭✭✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »I'm actually hoping everything in Crown store will be BOP, the fact stuff was resold through GTM ruined trading in SWTOR, want to sell Armour, nobody's interested unless it's the latest model (with a blinking light that stops blinking in three months for no reason).
So I am literally hoping that the cash shop is self only and Bind on Pickup.
It was stated that all cash shop items bind to account immediately upon purchase.4 -
Jennifur_Vultee✭✭✭✭✭Jennifur_Vultee wrote: »Wow that's a really deep post, its going to require a lot of thought on my part to properly reply with "No". Buying/selling/trading crowns should be illegal in game, a breach of the TOS that is punishable by banning.
It's going to happen anyway and people will get burned it, so why not do it properly and get more development cash from it.
So your answer is its going happen so make it legal? Greifing is going to happen should Zenimax sanction it too? Account theft/hacking will happen, I guess we make that legal in game as well?
"Thank you for calling Zenimax support this is April how may I help you today? Oh uh-huh, yeah see your account was hacked and Zenimax's stance is now possession is 9/10 of the law so my hands are tied since the new owner of your former account won't relinquish ownership back to you. Sorry. But we do appreciate and value you as a customer so please feel free to repurchase The Elder Scrolls Online Tamriel Unlimited and we'll be happy to have you set up a new account!"
If someone gets burned doing something that's illegal/against the TOS in game they deserve what they get.
Edited by Jennifur_Vultee on January 25, 2015 12:01PM"Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters." – Albert Einstein
Treat a customer fairly and they will remember you. Treat a customer poorly and they never forget.
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✭✭✭✭✭No cash to gold conversion please. The potential abuse is staggering. Not to mention it would wreck the in-game economy and truly would be a "pay to win" option as you can buy a lot of really good gear from guild stores. So no, just no.
However, EA did something very smart with The Sims 3. In their cash shop/DLC shop they made it so that you could gift any of the items to other players. When I was playing that game heavily not only did I often receive gifts but I bought an awful lot of them as well. You did this, of course, by buying "Sim Points" and then when you clicked on an item in the store to peruse it there were options to both buy for yourself and gift. So potentially you could do the same thing with buying ESO's crowns. This is probably the ONLY thing that could get me to cheerfully purchase additional crowns over and above what I get via my sub. As a guild leader I would love to be able to reward our members this way and be able to use items from the store as "prizes" and "treasure" in conjunction with our guild sponsored activities. For although I am against the creation of ESO's store in the first place, since it's inevitable, I may as well suggest something that would make it more palatable to me AND that would make ESO a ton more cash.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!6 -
BlueIllyrian✭✭✭After that wonderful thread welcoming F2P locusts (yes, I am aware of the temporary B2P bump), OP serves us with yet another brilliance. So-called whale in making is all giddy at the prospect of being a prime ZOS customer, sadly whales alone can support games only for so long.Edited by BlueIllyrian on January 25, 2015 12:33PM6
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Jennifur_Vultee✭✭✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »No cash to gold conversion please. The potential abuse is staggering. Not to mention it would wreck the in-game economy and truly would be a "pay to win" option as you can buy a lot of really good gear from guild stores. So no, just no.
However, EA did something very smart with The Sims 3. In their cash shop/DLC shop they made it so that you could gift any of the items to other players. When I was playing that game heavily not only did I often receive gifts but I bought an awful lot of them as well. You did this, of course, by buying "Sim Points" and then when you clicked on an item in the store to peruse it there were options to both buy for yourself and gift. So potentially you could do the same thing with buying ESO's crowns. This is probably the ONLY thing that could get me to cheerfully purchase additional crowns over and above what I get via my sub. As a guild leader I would love to be able to reward our members this way and be able to use items from the store as "prizes" and "treasure" in conjunction with our guild sponsored activities. For although I am against the creation of ESO's store in the first place, since it's inevitable, I may as well suggest something that would make it more palatable to me AND that would make ESO a ton more cash.
Sending gifts sounds fine as long as items remain bind on pickup. I'm in no way in favor of a cash shop and I've seen what happens to a game economy when cash shop items are freely tradable/sellable in game....its not pretty. But yeah sure if you want to help a friend and you're willing to send them a gift of a Speckled Guar Mount or Lusty Argonian Maid costume that's bind on pickup go for it, its your cash.
"Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters." – Albert Einstein
Treat a customer fairly and they will remember you. Treat a customer poorly and they never forget.
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✭✭✭✭✭With the payment change comes the opportunity for ESO to earn more cash for a healthy future, through a variety of combinations. People like me who will subscibe and also drop cash on the marketplace on boosts and fluff, those who buy DLC, those who buy DLC and fluff etc.
But without having a means of gifting Crowns/items ingame ZOS could be missing a trick. There will always be people without access to credit cards or much disposable income who would play, and grind away incessantly to earn gold in game with which to buy Subs/items/DLC from those with lots of spare cash but not so much time.
If gifting and crown exchange is in place then you could quite reasonably expect one cash rich casual player to actually be purchasing their own sub, but also potentially buy three or four other subs from people who are time/gold rich in game.
Everquest 2 has an it's called a Krono for example, which you purchase from the SOE online store for a little more than 1month recurring sub. It then is delivered to you in game and is tradeable to other players. Once bought it can be used to furnish the buyer with one months sub.
With the basic premise that more people playing equals more community, more player generated online presence and a better future for the game it seems shortsighted to not at least consider implementing such a system.
Are you out of your feeble mind? Do you realize this is exactly why the subscriber community didn't want F2P/B2P in the first place? The minute you put in a way to convert crowns to gold or vice versa, or to give away items bought in the cash store, is the minute the game will be taken over by gold sellers taking real life money for in-game items.
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✭✭✭✭✭Jennifur_Vultee wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »No cash to gold conversion please. The potential abuse is staggering. Not to mention it would wreck the in-game economy and truly would be a "pay to win" option as you can buy a lot of really good gear from guild stores. So no, just no.
However, EA did something very smart with The Sims 3. In their cash shop/DLC shop they made it so that you could gift any of the items to other players. When I was playing that game heavily not only did I often receive gifts but I bought an awful lot of them as well. You did this, of course, by buying "Sim Points" and then when you clicked on an item in the store to peruse it there were options to both buy for yourself and gift. So potentially you could do the same thing with buying ESO's crowns. This is probably the ONLY thing that could get me to cheerfully purchase additional crowns over and above what I get via my sub. As a guild leader I would love to be able to reward our members this way and be able to use items from the store as "prizes" and "treasure" in conjunction with our guild sponsored activities. For although I am against the creation of ESO's store in the first place, since it's inevitable, I may as well suggest something that would make it more palatable to me AND that would make ESO a ton more cash.
Sending gifts sounds fine as long as items remain bind on pickup. I'm in no way in favor of a cash shop and I've seen what happens to a game economy when cash shop items are freely tradable/sellable in game....its not pretty. But yeah sure if you want to help a friend and you're willing to send them a gift of a Speckled Guar Mount or Lusty Argonian Maid costume that's bind on pickup go for it, its your cash.
Since they've already said the items in the shop will be bound and can't be sold in game I didn't think to mention it but yes, certainly, items gifted should also be bound to the account they were purchased for. Absolutely no way should they find their way into the in game economy!PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!2 -
BlueIllyrian✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »I'm actually hoping everything in Crown store will be BOP, the fact stuff was resold through GTM ruined trading in SWTOR, want to sell Armour, nobody's interested unless it's the latest model (with a blinking light that stops blinking in three months for no reason).
So I am literally hoping that the cash shop is self only and Bind on Pickup.
It was stated that all cash shop items bind to account immediately upon purchase.
For now, the same way the stated game would be P2P. Now one bright day in say 6 months somebody might get a brilliant idea how to increase revenues.2 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »I'm actually hoping everything in Crown store will be BOP, the fact stuff was resold through GTM ruined trading in SWTOR, want to sell Armour, nobody's interested unless it's the latest model (with a blinking light that stops blinking in three months for no reason).
So I am literally hoping that the cash shop is self only and Bind on Pickup.
It was stated that all cash shop items bind to account immediately upon purchase.
Great, that's one worry down, I haven't actually watched it yet, because the only link I found was twitch, and didn't work for me.
I will watch it soon though.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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Laplace✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »Jennifur_Vultee wrote: »Sending gifts sounds fine as long as items remain bind on pickup. I'm in no way in favor of a cash shop and I've seen what happens to a game economy when cash shop items are freely tradable/sellable in game....its not pretty. But yeah sure if you want to help a friend and you're willing to send them a gift of a Speckled Guar Mount or Lusty Argonian Maid costume that's bind on pickup go for it, its your cash.
Since they've already said the items in the shop will be bound and can't be sold in game I didn't think to mention it but yes, certainly, items gifted should also be bound to the account they were purchased for. Absolutely no way should they find their way into the in game economy!
I totally agree. I understand why they will be bound to account when purchased (I too have seen what happens when cash shop items are freely tradeable/sellable in-game, and it does wreck the economy), but not being able to gift items to other players is going too far in the other direction. They should still be bound to account, but you should be able to buy them for other players.
I have IRL friends (including my fiance) who play this game. I'd like to buy them presents. Yes, someone out there will probably try to scam other players ("GIVE ME 20K GOLD AND I'LL GIFT YOU A GUAR"), but that's against the TOS anyway, and anyone who does that can and should be reported and banned.3 -
Antiquity✭✭Do you remember when everyone was happy about gold sellers being gone?
[reminiscence]
Adding gold into the crown store would just be a way to bring them back in a legal manner, with @ZOS approval.
What would be the advantage cash shop gold vs gold seller gold?
I've seen you around a lot since I joined, and never thought I'd agree with you. But I do this time, wholeheartedly.
I've resigned to stick around and see how this whole b2p thing goes as I don't have any other mmorpg options that are p2p. But if they do this, its just legal gold-selling and I'll be out the door and back to single player games only.
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eisberg✭✭✭Frenkthevile wrote: »NOPE, if they do something like this i'll quit. GW2 economy was RUINED the same way.
How was is ruined exactly? GW2 system actually takes gold out of the economy, not add to it.
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✭✭nvrmndEdited by AlexDougherty on January 26, 2015 1:33PMPeople believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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You and I must play different games called GW2 because I recall no such sky collapse.Frenkthevile wrote: »NOPE, if they do something like this i'll quit. GW2 economy was RUINED the same way.0 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭Thus starts the funeral march for eso........
That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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✭✭✭✭✭Thus starts the funeral march for eso........
Why didn't the funeral march start almost a year ago, when a select few people were advocating for ZO to sell gold in order to combat gold sellers?
This isn't a new idea, nor is it specific to the new payment model. It's still an awful idea, but the overwhelming majority of people recognize that. So nothing's changed.----
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The difference is that now ZOS has a system in place which would allow them to easily do it.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Thus starts the funeral march for eso........
Why didn't the funeral march start almost a year ago, when a select few people were advocating for ZO to sell gold in order to combat gold sellers?
This isn't a new idea, nor is it specific to the new payment model. It's still an awful idea, but the overwhelming majority of people recognize that. So nothing's changed.
But yes, everyone still thinks it's a terrible idea, so no need to be so negative.
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Faugaun✭✭✭✭✭Errrummm....the board of financial backers may like this idea....(provided it generates them great income over the next 12 months,and they can sell their shares to some poor sop who doesn't know better at a profit based on the previous 12 months revenue)....that said absolutely No! No! No! No! No!My new startup social network for Theorycrafting
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eisberg✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »Frenkthevile wrote: »NOPE, if they do something like this i'll quit. GW2 economy was RUINED the same way.
How was is ruined exactly? GW2 system actually takes gold out of the economy, not add to it.
If it was anything like Swtor prices destabilised.
When Swtor launched it's cash shop prices for crafted stuff vanished (they were inferior looks, clearly inferior), and it started a weird cycle for prices on GTM.
New stuff was priced high.
Rare stuff was priced insanely high.
Stuff from a couple of months was about what the crafted gear used to be.
Stuff from a bit further back was going for buttons.
It really did destabilise Swtor's GTM economy.
Yeah, for Guild Wars 2 the GEM to gold conversion didn't do anything to the prices, maybe except for the legendary weapon which are weapons with different animations but are no more powerful than any other weapon.
For Guild Wars 2, the Gem to Gold/Gold to Gems has actually been a good system. The whole system takes gold out of the economy, since the pool of gold and Gems are coming from the players. Currently to get change gold in Gems, it cost 1 gold 60 silver to get 11 Gems, but it cost 11 Gems to get 1 Gold, so 60 silver is being taken out the economy for every 1 gold bought (100 silver = 1 gold), and that 1 gold came from a player who bought 11 Gems at 1 Gold 60 silver.
So at worse, it may have made weapon skins ultra expensive, but they are just skins, so no big deal.
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