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If it shortcuts some time, it can get considered. If it makes you look cool, it will get considered!
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.----
Murray? -
Jennifur_Vultee✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
Yeah well they also said the subscription model was the way to make the game they set out to make and the game they believed we wanted to play.
"Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters." – Albert Einstein
Treat a customer fairly and they will remember you. Treat a customer poorly and they never forget.
Imperial City: Zerg, gank or die. -
Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.Wololo. -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."----
Murray? -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you. -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, if a company EVER changes it's plans, it is completely untrustworthy for the rest of human existence.
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, yes. Get it out of your system. Hi-lar-i-ous.
Might their position change in the future? Sure. Will I leave if it does? Absolutely. I'm still on the fence about how the new payment method will work, but I'm willing to give it a shot.----
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, if a company EVER changes it's plans, it is completely untrustworthy for the rest of human existence.
/rollseyes
If a company ever uses subscriber money to create Cash Shop items & casual DLC for an entirely different audience and completely neglects the previous core audience, I'd say it's a pretty untrustworthy.nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, yes. Get it out of your system. Hi-lar-i-ous.
Might their position change in the future? Sure. Will I leave if it does? Absolutely. I'm still on the fence about how the new payment method will work, but I'm willing to give it a shot.
Sure you will... Where do you draw the line? 10% XP? 50% XP?
Something tells me you're just going to defend them no matter what they do.
Have fun, I won't be around for that.Edited by DDuke on January 24, 2015 1:14PM -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, if a company EVER changes it's plans, it is completely untrustworthy for the rest of human existence.
/rollseyes
If a company ever uses subscriber money to create Cash Shop items & DLC for an entirely different audience and completely neglects the previous core audience, I'd say it's a pretty untrustworthy.nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, yes. Get it out of your system. Hi-lar-i-ous.
Might their position change in the future? Sure. Will I leave if it does? Absolutely. I'm still on the fence about how the new payment method will work, but I'm willing to give it a shot.
Sure you will... Where do you draw the line? 10% XP? 50% XP?
Something tells me you're just going to defend them no matter what they do.
Have fun, I won't be around for that.
Ok, bye.
But for the record, I don't really care how much faster someone can get XP. If you do, that's very unfortunate. You will be sorely missed.----
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, if a company EVER changes it's plans, it is completely untrustworthy for the rest of human existence.
/rollseyes
If a company ever uses subscriber money to...
Stop right there. What a company uses THEIR money for is none of your business. It is not subscriber money. It stopped being subscriber money the second the deal - "we allow you into our game, you give us money" - was done.
Your only right regarding to what they use the money for is to stop giving them any more if you are unhappy about the way they spent it. That is all.
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, if a company EVER changes it's plans, it is completely untrustworthy for the rest of human existence.
/rollseyes
If a company ever uses subscriber money to...
Stop right there. What a company uses THEIR money for is none of your business. It is not subscriber money. It stopped being subscriber money the second the deal - "we allow you into our game, you give us money" - was done.
Your only right regarding to what they use the money for is to stop giving them any more if you are unhappy about the way they spent it. That is all.
You don't care at all what happens with the money you spend, is that what I should gather from your post?
If so, then I feel sorry for you too. -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, if a company EVER changes it's plans, it is completely untrustworthy for the rest of human existence.
/rollseyes
If a company ever uses subscriber money to...
Stop right there. What a company uses THEIR money for is none of your business. It is not subscriber money. It stopped being subscriber money the second the deal - "we allow you into our game, you give us money" - was done.
Your only right regarding to what they use the money for is to stop giving them any more if you are unhappy about the way they spent it. That is all.
You don't care at all what happens with the money you spend, is that what I should gather from your post?
If so, then I feel sorry for you too.
No, they just understand what their money was spent for.
Your subscription fees were for access to the game for the months you bought. You received that access. How the company uses their various sources of funding is not your concern unless you're an investor.----
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, if a company EVER changes it's plans, it is completely untrustworthy for the rest of human existence.
/rollseyes
If a company ever uses subscriber money to...
Stop right there. What a company uses THEIR money for is none of your business. It is not subscriber money. It stopped being subscriber money the second the deal - "we allow you into our game, you give us money" - was done.
Your only right regarding to what they use the money for is to stop giving them any more if you are unhappy about the way they spent it. That is all.
You don't care at all what happens with the money you spend, is that what I should gather from your post?
If so, then I feel sorry for you too.
No, they just understand what their money was spent for.
Your subscription fees were for access to the game for the months you bought. You received that access. How the company uses their various sources of funding is not your concern unless you're an investor.
And do you think these companies would exist without our money?
We (the subscribers) funded their existence & kept them afloat. We had certain expectations for the game.
How much did the console audience contribute to the game's existence?
Mostly just by negative reviews & "ESO sux" comments.
In fact, Zenimax's complete disregard & disrespect of their paying customers and their wishes is a borderline scam.
What happened to "customer is always right". What happened to ethics & morals?
Maybe none of this was the case in the first place.
The whole experience has been like eating in a restaurant, and having the chef spit on your food every time before it's brought on your table.
Zenimax Media Inc, welcome to my list of garbage:
EA
Ubisoft
Activision
Trion
Zenimax Media IncEdited by DDuke on January 24, 2015 1:37PM -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, if a company EVER changes it's plans, it is completely untrustworthy for the rest of human existence.
/rollseyes
If a company ever uses subscriber money to...
Stop right there. What a company uses THEIR money for is none of your business. It is not subscriber money. It stopped being subscriber money the second the deal - "we allow you into our game, you give us money" - was done.
Your only right regarding to what they use the money for is to stop giving them any more if you are unhappy about the way they spent it. That is all.
You don't care at all what happens with the money you spend, is that what I should gather from your post?
If so, then I feel sorry for you too.
No, they just understand what their money was spent for.
Your subscription fees were for access to the game for the months you bought. You received that access. How the company uses their various sources of funding is not your concern unless you're an investor.
And do you think these companies would exist without our money?
We (the subscribers) funded their existence & kept them afloat. We had certain expectations for the game.
How much did the console audience contribute to the game's existence?
Mostly just by negative reviews & "ESO sux" comments.
In fact, Zenimax's complete disregard & disrespect of their paying customers and their wishes is a borderline scam.
What happened to "customer is always right". What happened to ethics & morals?
Maybe none of this was the case in the first place.
Zenimax Media Inc, welcome to my list of garbage:
EA
Ubisoft
Activision
Trion
Zenimax Media Inc
Again, you are fundamentally misunderstanding your role. You are a customer, not an investor. You have absolutely no financial stake in this business, regardless of the made-up stakes you've given yourself.
You have the same rights as a customer that you've always had: the right to pay for a product or service that you want. Your subscription was you doing that. If you don't want this product anymore, quit paying for it (or don't, because you'll still be able to play after the transition). Your subscription didn't cover anything besides the months you paid for, and you received those in full.
And finally, the customer is not always right. That's a terrible philosophy that has bred a small but loud group of entitled consumers who feel that a company's job is to take care of their every whim, no matter how irrational it may be. In these situations, the customer is often wrong, and companies that acknowledge that to themselves and let said customer go end up doing better in the long run.----
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, if a company EVER changes it's plans, it is completely untrustworthy for the rest of human existence.
/rollseyes
If a company ever uses subscriber money to...
Stop right there. What a company uses THEIR money for is none of your business. It is not subscriber money. It stopped being subscriber money the second the deal - "we allow you into our game, you give us money" - was done.
Your only right regarding to what they use the money for is to stop giving them any more if you are unhappy about the way they spent it. That is all.
You don't care at all what happens with the money you spend, is that what I should gather from your post?
If so, then I feel sorry for you too.
No, they just understand what their money was spent for.
Your subscription fees were for access to the game for the months you bought. You received that access. How the company uses their various sources of funding is not your concern unless you're an investor.
And do you think these companies would exist without our money?
We (the subscribers) funded their existence & kept them afloat. We had certain expectations for the game.
How much did the console audience contribute to the game's existence?
Mostly just by negative reviews & "ESO sux" comments.
In fact, Zenimax's complete disregard & disrespect of their paying customers and their wishes is a borderline scam.
What happened to "customer is always right". What happened to ethics & morals?
Maybe none of this was the case in the first place.
Zenimax Media Inc, welcome to my list of garbage:
EA
Ubisoft
Activision
Trion
Zenimax Media Inc
Again, you are fundamentally misunderstanding your role. You are a customer, not an investor. You have absolutely no financial stake in this business, regardless of the made-up stakes you've given yourself.
And you are misunderstanding your basic human rights. You are entitled to get angry & defend yourself, if you're being scammed & treated like a ***.
You do have financial stake in the business. The business wouldn't exist without us, subscribers (to whom they show zero respect or appreciation). Try to get that through your skull.nerevarine1138 wrote: »You have the same rights as a customer that you've always had: the right to pay for a product or service that you want. Your subscription was you doing that. If you don't want this product anymore, quit paying for it (or don't, because you'll still be able to play after the transition). Your subscription didn't cover anything besides the months you paid for, and you received those in full.
Terms of the service: we pay, they create content, because that is how subscription MMOs work. You must be new to them.
How they do not work: we pay, they create DLCs & Cash Shops for entirely different audience & throw us the scraps and then tell us to go F ourselves.nerevarine1138 wrote: »And finally, the customer is not always right. That's a terrible philosophy that has bred a small but loud group of entitled consumers who feel that a company's job is to take care of their every whim, no matter how irrational it may be. In these situations, the customer is often wrong, and companies that acknowledge that to themselves and let said customer go end up doing better in the long run.
I love how you're coming up with your own definitions
Everyone that doesn't get scammed and then thank a company for it, is part of "a small group entitled consumers"? Grow a spine please. People like you are the exact reason for everything that is *** in this industry.
Customer & company relationship is based on trust. If you can't trust the company, then you either:- sue it, which we can't do, due to ToS.
or - just forget it & avoid making the same mistake twice (and make sure to warn other people of it).
Edited by DDuke on January 24, 2015 1:54PM - sue it, which we can't do, due to ToS.
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »
How about building a house, paying for the construction, then seeing the whole house collapsed & the rubble sold to you separately for $$$?
Because that is what is happening, I hope you're not blind enough not to see it. -
daneyulebub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hello exp boosters/trials set/max level and etc. in Crown store?It's all shortucts some time.
naive
[nah-eev]
adjective
1. having or showing a lack of experience, judgment, or information; credulous:
Example sentences: She's so naive she believes everything she reads. He has a very naive attitude toward politics game company promises and MMO and F2P history.This message confirms that you have successfully cancelled your subscription to The Elder Scrolls Online. You will no longer be charged for a subscription on a recurring basis, and your access to the game will expire at the end of your current subscription cycle.
We're sad to see you go now, but we'll be happy to welcome you back at any time! Whenever you're ready to come back, your characters will be waiting for you, just like you left them. You can return anytime by resubscribing on the Manage Subscription page on your Elder Scrolls Online account.
Please print this email and keep it for your records. -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, if a company EVER changes it's plans, it is completely untrustworthy for the rest of human existence.
/rollseyes
If a company ever uses subscriber money to...
Stop right there. What a company uses THEIR money for is none of your business. It is not subscriber money. It stopped being subscriber money the second the deal - "we allow you into our game, you give us money" - was done.
Your only right regarding to what they use the money for is to stop giving them any more if you are unhappy about the way they spent it. That is all.
You don't care at all what happens with the money you spend, is that what I should gather from your post?
If so, then I feel sorry for you too.
No, they just understand what their money was spent for.
Your subscription fees were for access to the game for the months you bought. You received that access. How the company uses their various sources of funding is not your concern unless you're an investor.
And do you think these companies would exist without our money?
We (the subscribers) funded their existence & kept them afloat. We had certain expectations for the game.
How much did the console audience contribute to the game's existence?
Mostly just by negative reviews & "ESO sux" comments.
In fact, Zenimax's complete disregard & disrespect of their paying customers and their wishes is a borderline scam.
What happened to "customer is always right". What happened to ethics & morals?
Maybe none of this was the case in the first place.
Zenimax Media Inc, welcome to my list of garbage:
EA
Ubisoft
Activision
Trion
Zenimax Media Inc
Again, you are fundamentally misunderstanding your role. You are a customer, not an investor. You have absolutely no financial stake in this business, regardless of the made-up stakes you've given yourself.
And you are misunderstanding your basic human rights. You are entitled to get angry & defend yourself, if you're being scammed & treated like a ***.
You do have financial stake in the business. The business wouldn't exist without us, subscribers (to whom they show zero respect or appreciation). Try to get that through your skull.nerevarine1138 wrote: »You have the same rights as a customer that you've always had: the right to pay for a product or service that you want. Your subscription was you doing that. If you don't want this product anymore, quit paying for it (or don't, because you'll still be able to play after the transition). Your subscription didn't cover anything besides the months you paid for, and you received those in full.
Terms of the service: we pay, they create content, because that is how subscription MMOs work. You must be new to them.
How they do not work: we pay, they create DLCs & Cash Shops for entirely different audience & throw us the scraps and then tell us to go F ourselves.nerevarine1138 wrote: »And finally, the customer is not always right. That's a terrible philosophy that has bred a small but loud group of entitled consumers who feel that a company's job is to take care of their every whim, no matter how irrational it may be. In these situations, the customer is often wrong, and companies that acknowledge that to themselves and let said customer go end up doing better in the long run.
I love how you're coming up with your own definitions
Everyone that doesn't get scammed and then thank a company for it, is part of "a small group entitled consumers"? Grow a spine please. People like you are the exact reason for everything that is *** in this industry.
Customer & company relationship is based on trust. If you can't trust the company, then you either:- sue it, which we can't do, due to ToS.
or - just forget it & avoid making the same mistake twice (and make sure to warn other people of it).
Dear Stendarr, did I ever say you didn't have the right to be angry? I happen to think you're overreacting, but get as angry as you want.
But you do not have a financial stake in this company. What was your investment? What were your promised returns? How have those been affected?
You paid for a subscription for [X] months. You received access to the game for [X] months. That is not a financial stake in this company. That's you exchanging money for services rendered. As a consumer, the only right you have in this case is to not continue to pay money when the system changes. That's it.----
Murray? - sue it, which we can't do, due to ToS.
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BlueIllyrian✭✭✭"I win" button enabling me to one shot a dungeon boss would really shorten my time and it would be really convenient.
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Ohioastro✭✭✭✭A lot of us really liked the game and trusted the company. We've seen what cash shops do to other MMOs over and over and over. It's not the first time. So it is *extremely* reasonable to believe that this game will have the same terrible outcomes that cash shops have had in all of those other games. People defending this, by contrast, are somehow believing that "this time will be different". Sorry; there is just no evidence that this will be true.
The sad thing is that the path to a bad outcome is slow. At each step of the way the defenders will claim that each thing "isn't that big of a deal" or "you could spend 30 hours doing it rather than spending 5 bucks, so it isn't pay to win".
And then you wake up, like in LOTRO, and notice that you've had almost no updates; or like in Archeage, where the most valuable things in the game show up in the cash shop; and the other category getting regular attention is funny costumes and mounts.
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✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
Thet didn't say "we won't" but "we have no plans to".
Do you remember how Paul Sage answered the business model question back in june?Leonid Melikhov: Ever since the game’s launch, Elder Scrolls Online has received a fair bit of criticism for monthly-subscription. Do you guys have plans to change that sometime in the future?
Paul D. Sage: No, we don’t have any plans that I am aware of to change it in the future. You know the business model is what the business model is and it allows us to deliver high level content on regular basis right now. So there are no plans that I am aware of.
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Morshire✭✭✭✭Yee Haw, this is the spot to get the blood boiling in the morning.
So I may completely "naïve" but I am trying to figure out how you can say that we "got our monies worth" from our subs @nerevarine1138 ? Yes we did get access for the months we paid, but we did not get "new content every 4-6 weeks" (and that will be subject, but patches are not "new content") We also did not get the level of "service" we paid for with all the bugs and lags, etc. Next, we also were "mislead" when they directed us in the "purchase" of said game because we "thought" we were getting X with the "purchase" of the initial download, but this announcement is delivering Y. (and yep, they have the right to change course, but then we have to evaluate the company statements and I will just blow over this) I will concede that I personally I may be just a customer, not an investor, but I have to argue that considering this, aren't Berny Madolf's "customers" rather than "investors"...so why are they crying?
A lot of the points you make are "true-ish" but I think that you are arguing the "extreme" right and not looking to the left. I could go through a ton of "examples" that would show my point over yours, but then we would get into the "subjective" nature of the "interpretation" or "presentation" of said events. The reality of the matter is the facts: People believed the "statements" made by the company, and now "feel" that said company is not "honoring" those same "statements". Now you can be happy/sad/glad/mad over this fact, but for all the "intelligence" you are trying to lay out with your "arguments" (and I am not in anyway implying you lack intelligence), you are being "naïve" about the driving force behind this whole uproar - human nature. "Opinions" are like a$$holes, we all got them, they are shytty, sometimes they stink, sometimes they are fun, but most of all, they are unique to all of us. And what we do with our a$$holes is our business. Would you at least agree there?
(And please don't be mad that I am showing mine right here for all of you to see. 
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Faugaun✭✭✭✭✭@op you paid for access to a game, you received said access. Like others said and I will summarize.
Your options are to continue paying the company for products or services they offer at the negotiated (or company fixed) price. If you do so then they are obligated to provide whatever it is that they sold you.
Your other option is to quit spending money on said product and move on to something more enjoyable....
You know if I had my money back everytime I went to a restaurant and bought my kids a meal that they didn't eat...I would have a lot of extra money. As it stands I ordered an item the company provided the item whether the child eats or does not eat the item is not the companies fault or responsibility.
Should I continue to give them money for food my son may not eat? Maybe, if I want to go out to eat and feel he should come then I probably should offer him food, could I not get the full benefit from my money spent? Maybe, that is a risk inherent in the purchase.My new startup social network for Theorycrafting
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✭✭✭✭@op you paid for access to a game, you received said access. Like others said and I will summarize.
Your options are to continue paying the company for products or services they offer at the negotiated (or company fixed) price. If you do so then they are obligated to provide whatever it is that they sold you.
Your other option is to quit spending money on said product and move on to something more enjoyable....
You know if I had my money back everytime I went to a restaurant and bought my kids a meal that they didn't eat...I would have a lot of extra money. As it stands I ordered an item the company provided the item whether the child eats or does not eat the item is not the companies fault or responsibility.
Should I continue to give them money for food my son may not eat? Maybe, if I want to go out to eat and feel he should come then I probably should offer him food, could I not get the full benefit from my money spent? Maybe, that is a risk inherent in the purchase.
You'd get your money back, if that restaurant didn't bring you what you ordered, but something else entirely.
So I fail to see your point.
Also, I'd encourage you to study your basic consumer rights, which I posted above. In fact, there's so many people unaware of them that I think I should post a separate thread about it.Edited by DDuke on January 24, 2015 2:58PM -
grimjim398✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Having it be considered is a long way from having it in the store. Although they very clearly are including an XP boost as part of the ESO Plus membership.
But they flat-out said that they won't put actual gear on the store. So please stop with the sky falling and all that.
@nerevarine1138: could you please point out for everyone where you read/heard that? I cannot find it anywhere. They don't seem to ever use the word "gear" in their answers, so feel free to enlighten me.
Straight from the horse's mouth (if Matt Firor were a horse):
"We have no plans to sell armor or armor pieces in the Crown Store, just costumes that look like them."
You believe anything at all they still have to say?
I feel sorry for you.
Yes, if a company EVER changes it's plans, it is completely untrustworthy for the rest of human existence.
/rollseyes
That's right, roll your eyes. Because completely reversing course on something as basic as the way you pay for the game is supposed to inspire trust. Right?
