Thanks ZOS for (insert sure to be censored word here) over your Roleplayers again.

MornaBaine · January 2015

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

I bet anything that we see a lot more than just us RPers buying the stuff. I suspect that the cash shop would be good for one item a month, maybe two with the crowns we will get from subbing. That is more than we have gotten in the past year.

And that is precisely BECAUSE they've been holding out on us so they can put it all in the cash shop and make us pay for it.

starkerealm · January 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

I bet anything that we see a lot more than just us RPers buying the stuff. I suspect that the cash shop would be good for one item a month, maybe two with the crowns we will get from subbing. That is more than we have gotten in the past year.

And that is precisely BECAUSE they've been holding out on us so they can put it all in the cash shop and make us pay for it.

Oh, this is not "holding out on us," I've seen an MMO that held back new content in the leadup to their F2P transition. Nothing came out for close to a year. Nothing.

If ZoS was wanting to screw us over, you can bet the Champion system and Justice system would be monetized somehow.

Look, I get your only previous experience with this kind of thing was TOR. So, when I say this again, please listen this time. TOR is the absolute worst end of the spectrum. That was a developer who was pissed with their non-customers and taking it out on their fans. ZoS is NOT Bioware. ZOS is (partially) a team of people who actually understand how to make MMOs, as opposed a subsidiary of a company that has genuine contempt for their customers.

You're not the only one that's worried. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't. But, I'm also not about to start screaming, "the sky is falling," until we have more information.

Metrobius · January 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

I bet anything that we see a lot more than just us RPers buying the stuff. I suspect that the cash shop would be good for one item a month, maybe two with the crowns we will get from subbing. That is more than we have gotten in the past year.

And that is precisely BECAUSE they've been holding out on us so they can put it all in the cash shop and make us pay for it.

Oh, this is not "holding out on us," I've seen an MMO that held back new content in the leadup to their F2P transition. Nothing came out for close to a year. Nothing.

If ZoS was wanting to screw us over, you can bet the Champion system and Justice system would be monetized somehow.

Look, I get your only previous experience with this kind of thing was TOR. So, when I say this again, please listen this time. TOR is the absolute worst end of the spectrum. That was a developer who was pissed with their non-customers and taking it out on their fans. ZoS is NOT Bioware. ZOS is (partially) a team of people who actually understand how to make MMOs, as opposed a subsidiary of a company that has genuine contempt for their customers.

You're not the only one that's worried. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't. But, I'm also not about to start screaming, "the sky is falling," until we have more information.

I totally agree with you here. I remember some of the quotes coming out of bioware back then, and I had the impression that they thought we were all just too stupid to appreciate their amazing game. Even during development they responded t feedback with unforgivable arrogance.
To be homnest I have got the same vibe about zenimax at times. One quote above all comes to mind. It was some senior ZOS developer who said something like: we are making our game first and an elder scrolls game second.

starkerealm · January 2015

Metrobius wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

I bet anything that we see a lot more than just us RPers buying the stuff. I suspect that the cash shop would be good for one item a month, maybe two with the crowns we will get from subbing. That is more than we have gotten in the past year.

And that is precisely BECAUSE they've been holding out on us so they can put it all in the cash shop and make us pay for it.

Oh, this is not "holding out on us," I've seen an MMO that held back new content in the leadup to their F2P transition. Nothing came out for close to a year. Nothing.

If ZoS was wanting to screw us over, you can bet the Champion system and Justice system would be monetized somehow.

Look, I get your only previous experience with this kind of thing was TOR. So, when I say this again, please listen this time. TOR is the absolute worst end of the spectrum. That was a developer who was pissed with their non-customers and taking it out on their fans. ZoS is NOT Bioware. ZOS is (partially) a team of people who actually understand how to make MMOs, as opposed a subsidiary of a company that has genuine contempt for their customers.

You're not the only one that's worried. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't. But, I'm also not about to start screaming, "the sky is falling," until we have more information.

I totally agree with you here. I remember some of the quotes coming out of bioware back then, and I had the impression that they thought we were all just too stupid to appreciate their amazing game. Even during development they responded t feedback with unforgivable arrogance.
To be homnest I have got the same vibe about zenimax at times. One quote above all comes to mind. It was some senior ZOS developer who said something like: we are making our game first and an elder scrolls game second.

For some reason, the instant thing that comes to mind was this quote from Bioware's PR department: "Star Wars: The Old Republic stands as one of the greatest and most ambitious achievements in video game history."

*headdesks*

I think I remember your quote, but it didn't stand out as incredibly arrogant at the time, at least, to me and in context.

WraithAzraiel · January 2015

If ESO does anything resembling cartel packs I will lose my mind.

No lottery items in blind packs please. I'll punch kittens, I swear to all things holy.

clocksstoppe · January 2015

Damn it, the Mann. Co. supply crates are coming!!

WraithAzraiel · January 2015

I actually wonder if we'll be able to dye the costumes available in the cash shop, that'd make me happy.

On account of liking the scout armor pack but hating the colors.

starkerealm · January 2015

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

I actually wonder if we'll be able to dye the costumes available in the cash shop, that'd make me happy.

On account of liking the scout armor pack but hating the colors.

If costume dying is coming, I'm going to be happy.

...I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much... but...

dietlime · January 2015

Yeah hopefully there aren't real money for random crates, that's one of the [snip] things to crop up in recent years in every genre.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Rev Rielle · January 2015

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

I actually wonder if we'll be able to dye the costumes available in the cash shop, that'd make me happy.

On account of liking the scout armor pack but hating the colors.

Let's hope they make some significant changes to the costume system. There have been more than enough threads about it over the months suggesting any number of improvements.

It really is a 'bare-bones' system right now, and if they're going to be introducing costumes as one of the primary money-earners in the Crown Store, now is the time for them to upgrade the system as a whole, turning it into something that will last and be robust for years to come.

Nivzruo_ESO · January 2015

Idk, I felt that Swtor got a lot better after it went f2p. Ofcourse you had to sub to play more then like 5 pvp matches a week, I saw swtors f2p more of a trial then the actual game, hopefully eso follows suit and pretty much forces people to sub but lets them at least try it first.

WraithAzraiel · January 2015

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Idk, I felt that Swtor got a lot better after it went f2p. Ofcourse you had to sub to play more then like 5 pvp matches a week, I saw swtors f2p more of a trial then the actual game, hopefully eso follows suit and pretty much forces people to sub but lets them at least try it first.

No.

Pay gating every single little thing is awful. Oh you want to wear Purple gear? That'll be 10 bucks please. Oh now you want to wear Legendary? 15 bucks please.

That's an awful way to do business. Bioware gets away with it because it's Bioware.

starkerealm · January 2015

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Idk, I felt that Swtor got a lot better after it went f2p. Ofcourse you had to sub to play more then like 5 pvp matches a week, I saw swtors f2p more of a trial then the actual game, hopefully eso follows suit and pretty much forces people to sub but lets them at least try it first.

No.

Pay gating every single little thing is awful. Oh you want to wear Purple gear? That'll be 10 bucks please. Oh now you want to wear Legendary? 15 bucks please.

That's an awful way to do business. Bioware gets away with it because it's Bioware.

Bioware gets away with it because it's Star Wars. And, in spite of all the damage George Lucas inflicted on the franchise with the prequels... and all the possible damage J.J. "Faster, and More Lens Flare" Abrams might do, it's still eff'in' Star Wars.

Kids still want Star Wars they can play with their friends. Aging fans still want some sign that their childhood hasn't been mauled by Disney's corporate agenda. It's Star Wars.

If TOR had been a Mass Effect themed MMO or a Dragon Age themed MMO, it would already be dead. But, Bioware gets away with it, because it's Star Wars, and dogs can't tell it's not bacon Disney hasn't decided they want to take over the games development field themselves, yet.

EDIT: also, yeah, Wraith is right. TOR is the most punitive and petulant free to play transition I've ever seen. It makes me want to throw up in my soul, but if you want to see a "fair" free to play transition, you're actually better off looking at Cryptic. And they screwed their long term players.

Knootewoot · January 2015

SWTOR has a lot of items in the store yes. But what kind of maniac want ALL the store has to offer. You gonna wear all 5000 dresses? You are just spoiled i guess. I still play SWTOR and i surely don't want to wear every costume that pops up or ride every mount (most of the are ugly anyway)

Plus they ARE obtainable thorugh ingame credits. 99% of them are tradable. Except of course character traits like white eyes. But mounts, adaptive clothes and armor, pets, even emotes and toys are tradeble and the AH is full of them.

If you have a sub to SWTOR you get access to eveything, monthly Cartel coins and fun. If people complain about content behind a paywall then just sub. I sub for TESO now, and when it goes b2p i will still sub. Nothing for me will change, except a shop i can buy stuff for free crowns i get for subbing and more people to play with. I know a few already who don't want to pay for an mmo but are coming to play TESO soon.

MornaBaine · January 2015

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

If ESO does anything resembling cartel packs I will lose my mind.

No lottery items in blind packs please. I'll punch kittens, I swear to all things holy.

ALL of this. ^^

I am biding my time and seeing how this goes. I will continue to sub. If by doing so I have access to what I want WITHOUT having to pay MORE actual money above and beyond my sub then we're golden. But if, as I fear, it turns out that the "free" crowns are just enough to entice me to BUY "just a few more" I am done. So, as I've said, we'll see.

Oh and to the person who accused me of possibly wanting EVERYTHING...nope. Of the things they are currently showing, I want less than half of them.

starkerealm · January 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

If ESO does anything resembling cartel packs I will lose my mind.

No lottery items in blind packs please. I'll punch kittens, I swear to all things holy.

ALL of this. ^^

*** lockboxes.

MornaBaine wrote: »

I am biding my time and seeing how this goes. I will continue to sub. If by doing so I have access to what I want WITHOUT having to pay MORE actual money above and beyond my sub then we're golden. But if, as I fear, it turns out that the "free" crowns are just enough to entice me to BUY "just a few more" I am done. So, as I've said, we'll see.

Oh and to the person who accused me of possibly wanting EVERYTHING...nope. Of the things they are currently showing, I want less than half of them.

I think that was me, responding to this:

MornaBaine wrote: »

BUT once I HAD subbed I quickly realized that even with the "extra" cartel coins that were thrown my way there was ABSOLUTELY NO FREAKING WAY I could possibly afford all the things I wanted in the cash store and, OF COURSE, there was no way to earn those items in the game with in-game credits.

...and covering my bases.

Until we actually see this hit PTS, and we know, I'm more inclined to cite DCUO's model. Which is probably the best possible outcome (at least on the in game store). It has some non-cosmetic items (all of the store exclusive Legends Heroes), but it's also not abusive, and you actually do get enough... "station cash?" I forget what it's called. But, enough fake money to cover stuff you want, assuming you don't want everything, and are willing to be patient.

MornaBaine · January 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

If ESO does anything resembling cartel packs I will lose my mind.

No lottery items in blind packs please. I'll punch kittens, I swear to all things holy.

ALL of this. ^^

*** lockboxes.

MornaBaine wrote: »

I am biding my time and seeing how this goes. I will continue to sub. If by doing so I have access to what I want WITHOUT having to pay MORE actual money above and beyond my sub then we're golden. But if, as I fear, it turns out that the "free" crowns are just enough to entice me to BUY "just a few more" I am done. So, as I've said, we'll see.

Oh and to the person who accused me of possibly wanting EVERYTHING...nope. Of the things they are currently showing, I want less than half of them.

I think that was me, responding to this:

MornaBaine wrote: »

BUT once I HAD subbed I quickly realized that even with the "extra" cartel coins that were thrown my way there was ABSOLUTELY NO FREAKING WAY I could possibly afford all the things I wanted in the cash store and, OF COURSE, there was no way to earn those items in the game with in-game credits.

...and covering my bases.

Until we actually see this hit PTS, and we know, I'm more inclined to cite DCUO's model. Which is probably the best possible outcome (at least on the in game store). It has some non-cosmetic items (all of the store exclusive Legends Heroes), but it's also not abusive, and you actually do get enough... "station cash?" I forget what it's called. But, enough fake money to cover stuff you want, assuming you don't want everything, and are willing to be patient.

I really and genuinely hope you are right because that will keep me playing and subbing.

starkerealm · January 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

If ESO does anything resembling cartel packs I will lose my mind.

No lottery items in blind packs please. I'll punch kittens, I swear to all things holy.

ALL of this. ^^

*** lockboxes.

MornaBaine wrote: »

I am biding my time and seeing how this goes. I will continue to sub. If by doing so I have access to what I want WITHOUT having to pay MORE actual money above and beyond my sub then we're golden. But if, as I fear, it turns out that the "free" crowns are just enough to entice me to BUY "just a few more" I am done. So, as I've said, we'll see.

Oh and to the person who accused me of possibly wanting EVERYTHING...nope. Of the things they are currently showing, I want less than half of them.

I think that was me, responding to this:

MornaBaine wrote: »

BUT once I HAD subbed I quickly realized that even with the "extra" cartel coins that were thrown my way there was ABSOLUTELY NO FREAKING WAY I could possibly afford all the things I wanted in the cash store and, OF COURSE, there was no way to earn those items in the game with in-game credits.

...and covering my bases.

Until we actually see this hit PTS, and we know, I'm more inclined to cite DCUO's model. Which is probably the best possible outcome (at least on the in game store). It has some non-cosmetic items (all of the store exclusive Legends Heroes), but it's also not abusive, and you actually do get enough... "station cash?" I forget what it's called. But, enough fake money to cover stuff you want, assuming you don't want everything, and are willing to be patient.

I really and genuinely hope you are right because that will keep me playing and subbing.

Me too. I've been burned by enough bad transitions to be worried. I can "live in hope" until it hits PTS, then we'll know.

mamericus · January 2015

Agree x 1000. And they WILL implement it this way, because EVERY SINGLE company that has ever done this to their MMOs does it this way. This is the reality that a lot of people on these forums do not seem to grasp. They act as if ZoS was doing everyone a favour by dropping subscriptions and they think the content in the game will be cheaper now. Point in case:

UrQuan wrote: »

ashlee17 wrote: »

Under the new system some new content (yes new mounts and costumes are content) will be in avalible to me unless I pay extra on top of my monthly sub.

This is not necessarily true. A paid monthly sub includes 1500 Crowns per month, so depending on how much is available in the store, and how much it costs, you might be able to get it all without paying extra. I mean, probably not, but it's possible... In theory...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1495295/#Comment_1495295

EDIT: fixed typo.

starkerealm · January 2015

mamericus wrote: »

Agree x 1000.

Er... with what exactly?

mamericus wrote: »

And they WILL implement it this way, because EVERY SINGLE company that has ever done this to their MMOs does it this way.

Um... what?

mamericus wrote: »

This is the reality that a lot of people on these forums do not seem to grasp.

I've found a lot of people on the internet at large have a hard time grasping reality in general.

mamericus wrote: »

They act as if ZoS was doing everyone a favour by dropping subscriptions and they think the content in the game will be cheaper now.

Yeah, I think that's mostly a straw man. I haven't seen anyone say, "this is great for us." What I have seen is varying levels of, "I'm worried, but I'll try to keep my hopes up, please don't crush all my dreams," to "THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!"

Though, I've also seen a lot of smug schadenfreude... so, there's that too.

mamericus wrote: »

Point in case:

UrQuan wrote: »

ashlee17 wrote: »

Under the new system some new content (yes new mounts and costumes are content) will be in avalible to me unless I pay extra on top of my monthly sub.

This is not necessarily true. A paid monthly sub includes 1500 Crowns per month, so depending on how much is available in the store, and how much it costs, you might be able to get it all without paying extra. I mean, probably not, but it's possible... In theory...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1495295/#Comment_1495295

EDIT: fixed typo.

Yeah, that's UrQuan saying, "don't burn down the house," not, that they're doing us a favor with this.

Hey, if the crowns turn out to be 15 bucks of free tokens a month, then you can say, "hey, they're doing us a favor." But, unless that happens, it's just people saying, "don't set a fire just yet."

mamericus wrote: »

I am terribly sorry, but you are deluded if you think 1500 crowns will amount to much. I apologise, I don't mean to insult.

Or, you know, "Mission accomplished," I guess.

BlueIllyrian · January 2015

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Idk, I felt that Swtor got a lot better after it went f2p. Ofcourse you had to sub to play more then like 5 pvp matches a week, I saw swtors f2p more of a trial then the actual game, hopefully eso follows suit and pretty much forces people to sub but lets them at least try it first.

I would actually support that but I can't see it happening.

SWTOR is backed by bigger players than ZOS and even Disney has it's fingers in the lot.

Plus a lot of people absolutely hate SWTOR and don't want that model.

starkerealm · January 2015

BlueIllyrian wrote: »

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Idk, I felt that Swtor got a lot better after it went f2p. Ofcourse you had to sub to play more then like 5 pvp matches a week, I saw swtors f2p more of a trial then the actual game, hopefully eso follows suit and pretty much forces people to sub but lets them at least try it first.

I would actually support that but I can't see it happening.

SWTOR is backed by bigger players than ZOS and even Disney has it's fingers in the lot.

Plus a lot of people absolutely hate SWTOR and don't want that model.

Partially because TOR isn't marketed as a trial, and the lockouts are unusually punitive for no real reason. Like saying, "here's a quality of gear you can't even use unless you pay us."

mamericus · January 2015

*Sigh* here we go again...

starkerealm wrote: »

mamericus wrote: »

Agree x 1000.

Er... with what exactly?

Generally in forums, if you don't see a quote before a comment, the commentator is referring to the OP. So, once more for your clarification, I agree x 1000 with everything the OP said, exactly.

starkerealm wrote: »

mamericus wrote: »

And they WILL implement it this way, because EVERY SINGLE company that has ever done this to their MMOs does it this way.

Um... what?

What I said. What you stated yourself here:

starkerealm wrote: »

Me too. I've been burned by enough bad transitions to be worried. I can "live in hope" until it hits PTS, then we'll know.

starkerealm wrote: »

mamericus wrote: »

This is the reality that a lot of people on these forums do not seem to grasp.

I've found a lot of people on the internet at large have a hard time grasping reality in general.

Agreed.

starkerealm wrote: »

mamericus wrote: »

They act as if ZoS was doing everyone a favour by dropping subscriptions and they think the content in the game will be cheaper now.

Yeah, I think that's mostly a straw man. I haven't seen anyone say, "this is great for us." What I have seen is varying levels of, "I'm worried, but I'll try to keep my hopes up, please don't crush all my dreams," to "THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!"

Though, I've also seen a lot of smug schadenfreude... so, there's that too.

You need to look closer:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/147283/a-vocal-minority-and-welcome-new-interested-players/p1
You're one of those "superstars" he's referring to, by the way.

starkerealm wrote: »

mamericus wrote: »

Point in case:

UrQuan wrote: »

ashlee17 wrote: »

Under the new system some new content (yes new mounts and costumes are content) will be in avalible to me unless I pay extra on top of my monthly sub.

This is not necessarily true. A paid monthly sub includes 1500 Crowns per month, so depending on how much is available in the store, and how much it costs, you might be able to get it all without paying extra. I mean, probably not, but it's possible... In theory...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1495295/#Comment_1495295

EDIT: fixed typo.

Yeah, that's UrQuan saying, "don't burn down the house," not, that they're doing us a favor with this.

Hey, if the crowns turn out to be 15 bucks of free tokens a month, then you can say, "hey, they're doing us a favor." But, unless that happens, it's just people saying, "don't set a fire just yet."

1500 crowns are X bucks of free tokens a month. And the fire has already been lit, many of us are simply trying to stoke it before it becomes a bonfire and starts burning people. i.e. informing people and warning them before they decide to continue their subscription

starkerealm wrote: »

mamericus wrote: »

I am terribly sorry, but you are deluded if you think 1500 crowns will amount to much. I apologise, I don't mean to insult.

Or, you know, "Mission accomplished," I guess.

I don't even know what that means, I'm sorry.

EDIT: removed strong wording.

mamericus · January 2015

Darkintellect wrote: »

Stonesthrow wrote: »

For the people who are calling this the last straw and now they really, really, REALLY are finally going to quit… could you all just leave already and stop trying to get people to leave with you?

It's sad.

This right here is the best response to highlight the mentality of many of these people. It's human nature to want other people to share your views or your opinions because it further validates that thing you believe in. It's also a staple-point around religious people who try to "spread the word" or gain followers.

That sense of "followership" to your opinion or cause is honestly a better feeling than anything to these people and although it's more subconscious than anything, it still exists.

"I don't like something, so I will make other people see what I see and think the way I think so I feel better about myself."

It's childish, pathetic and trite and most responsible, intelligent adults see through it.

So what you're saying is: it's childish and pathetic and trite to speak your mind, express your opinion or stand up for something you believe in, lest you find someone who shares your perspective. I can think of a few places and periods in history where some people would have certainly agreed with you. You are absolutely right about one thing, however, it is most certainly responsible.

starkerealm · January 2015

mamericus wrote: »

*Sigh* here we go again...

...down the only road I've ever... come on, sing it with me.

mamericus wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

mamericus wrote: »

Agree x 1000.

Er... with what exactly?

Generally in forums, if you don't see a quote before a comment, the commentator is referring to the OP. So, once more for your clarification, I agree x 1000 with everything the OP said, exactly.

The internet is diverse enough that "generally" isn't really going to cut it. Just like some places will get really pissy when you carve someone else's post up like a Christmas turkey, and others consider that normal. Generally speaking, for clarity, just quote whatever you're agreeing with, or, you know, SAY you're agreeing with someone's post, rather than just, "I upvote ALL THE THINGS!"

mamericus wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

mamericus wrote: »

And they WILL implement it this way, because EVERY SINGLE company that has ever done this to their MMOs does it this way.

Um... what?

What I said.

Quick reminder, what you'd set up to that point was... "I agree with something really emphatically!" So, the post amounted to, "I agree with this thing someone said once a lot! And it happens all the time!"

mamericus wrote: »

What you stated yourself here:

starkerealm wrote: »

Me too. I've been burned by enough bad transitions to be worried. I can "live in hope" until it hits PTS, then we'll know.

Or, you know, what I was saying was basically, "don't panic until we have all the facts."

Morna was coming to this saying, "TOR's transition was terrible, oh god this is the end of everything I know and love about ESO." And, as I've been saying, TOR is the worst case scenario. So, no, even when I said, "I'm worried," I wasn't flat out agreeing with their original post.

mamericus wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

mamericus wrote: »

This is the reality that a lot of people on these forums do not seem to grasp.

I've found a lot of people on the internet at large have a hard time grasping reality in general.

Agreed.

starkerealm wrote: »

mamericus wrote: »

They act as if ZoS was doing everyone a favour by dropping subscriptions and they think the content in the game will be cheaper now.

Yeah, I think that's mostly a straw man. I haven't seen anyone say, "this is great for us." What I have seen is varying levels of, "I'm worried, but I'll try to keep my hopes up, please don't crush all my dreams," to "THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!"

Though, I've also seen a lot of smug schadenfreude... so, there's that too.

You need to look closer:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/147283/a-vocal-minority-and-welcome-new-interested-players/p1
You're one of those "superstars" he's referring to, by the way.

I'm really not. My pretense on the boards is far too erratic. I hit five stars back in the late days of the beta or right after launch, and I've been on and off the board for months.

I don't pretend to have some inside information on how the game works, but I do have a background in statistical analysis, thanks to my degree in political science, which means, yes, I am specifically trained to look at situations and start unpacking them. Yes, I can look at numbers and tell you what they mean.

Also, I'm not the one throwing a tantrum right now. I'm saying, "hey, everyone, wait a minute and calm down until we know what's going on, because panicing right now will only wear us out."

I get where you could conflate those, but, really, I'm here, on the internet, looking at a thing, and saying, "looks like stuff."

mamericus wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

mamericus wrote: »

Point in case:

UrQuan wrote: »

ashlee17 wrote: »

Under the new system some new content (yes new mounts and costumes are content) will be in avalible to me unless I pay extra on top of my monthly sub.

This is not necessarily true. A paid monthly sub includes 1500 Crowns per month, so depending on how much is available in the store, and how much it costs, you might be able to get it all without paying extra. I mean, probably not, but it's possible... In theory...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1495295/#Comment_1495295

EDIT: fixed typo.

Yeah, that's UrQuan saying, "don't burn down the house," not, that they're doing us a favor with this.

Hey, if the crowns turn out to be 15 bucks of free tokens a month, then you can say, "hey, they're doing us a favor." But, unless that happens, it's just people saying, "don't set a fire just yet."

1500 crowns are X bucks of free tokens a month. And the fire has already been lit, many of us are simply trying to stoke it before it becomes a bonfire and starts burning people. i.e. informing people and warning them before they decide to continue their subscription

Exactly, we don't know what it actually amounts to. Once we have more information on store pricing, then we can talk about if we're getting screwed over with our pants on, or if it actually is a decent deal.

But, I mean, you're literally the only one talking about setting people on fire. I was talking in the abstract of people panicking before there's cause.

mamericus wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

mamericus wrote: »

I am terribly sorry, but you are deluded if you think 1500 crowns will amount to much. I apologise, I don't mean to insult.

Or, you know, "Mission accomplished," I guess.

I don't even know what that means, I'm sorry.

Try not to worry about that, too much.

mamericus wrote: »

EDIT: removed strong wording.

Yeah, free advice? Don't go for setting people on fire. It's just impolite.

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2015

MornaBaine wrote: »

Per the announcement, if I continue to sub I will "receive monthly in-game benefits and a monthly allotment of crowns to spend in the store." I played SWTOR. I tried it free for awhile but because SO MUCH CONTENT was locked behind the pay wall I pretty much HAD to sub or hurl my monitor out the widow. BUT once I HAD subbed I quickly realized that even with the "extra" cartel coins that were thrown my way there was ABSOLUTELY NO FREAKING WAY I could possibly afford all the things I wanted in the cash store and, OF COURSE, there was no way to earn those items in the game with in-game credits. Even worse, SWTOR would lock away a single item you wanted in a huge "box" full of other items that you had to buy...and many of those only gave you a CHANCE at getting the item you wanted, not a guarantee that you would get it once you handed them 20 bucks.

So not only do you get to pay a sub just to have the same game you used to but now you'll STILL have to pay a LOT more to the cash store to get the customization items that SHOULD have been free and a regular part of the game under the regular subscription model. I guarantee you that they are NOT going to give us a barber shop for which we can pay in-game gold to change your hairstyle available only to subscribers. No, they are going to charge you real additional money for every single new hairstyle they add. Social clothes for the Disguise slot? Same thing. You'll pay per outfit. The oft-mentioned Senche tiger mount? Oh yeah, it'll be in the cash shop. And it'll be AT LEAST 15 bucks just like the horse they have in there now. Probably more. Housing? And all the things to put in it? Prepare to take out a loan. The ability for vampires to hide their appearance? Paul Sage will personally ensure that it's at least 20 bucks just for me. Ability to completely change your appearance via a return to the character creation screen? Yep there will be an awesome wizard you can pay 20 bucks to for the privilege. Per character. Name change? Sure. Ten bucks please.

Right now the only thing that is even making me CONSIDER staying is my freaking guild. But they implement this the way SWTOR did (or Divines forbid, even worse) I'm out.

LMAO. You understand that those Crown Points arent just for show? They do work in the store.

Sure youll have to save up the Crown Points for some items. And not everything in the store is going to be expensive.

As an RPer. Id appreciate it if youd stop pretending to speak for the RP Community as a whole. As I dont feel **** over like you do.