Gameplay and Champion System Questions for ESO Live

Marthenil

Currently, the armor system is really shallow with limited choice on what armor type to wear for pve. There's hardly any choice, as it's tied to each resource.

I guess you are going to discuss this with the armor skills panel, but I think more complex decisions would really put some more depth into character building.
Will we ever see more varied armor combinations other than 5+1+1, 5+2 or even full 7/7?

Neizir

@Goldie Spellcrafting is coming out in either 1.7 or 1.8.

Gyudan

Regarding the Champion Points that are currently being gained before 1.6 is released.
- Is there a cap (limit) to how many champion points can be gained before the release of the Champion System?
- If so, did that cap increase when update 6 got pushed back to january-february?
- Are the Champion Points purely based on the amount of XP received?
- If so, how do you differentiate players doing real content (quests, PVP, dungeons, trials) and the ones grinding? (repeatedly repeating the same instance of portions of an instance to get XP as quickly and efficiently as possible, currently 10-20 times faster than intended)
- How will you prevent Champion Point grind?


Side question: Why are there no children NPCs in the game?

c0rp

Will we continue to have ESO Lives where real information is discussed like this weeks? Or will we be going back to the shows filled with 90% fluff?

Cogo

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Hi.
My question is : how balance issues will be adressed with the upcoming changes? If i specialize into a specific dmg output ( even only a skill) and i hit some player very hard (i was assuming a 4k dmg snipe into another thread) and the player who i have hit cry for a nerf how the devs can know if the mentioned ability needs to be nerfed?

Very easy, you block, roll. And attack. Cause a players with heavy attack damage, have to sacrifice resists and AC to do so. They die easy.

The balance is the players skills in combat.
A player skill is NOT to press a button, but how to move, play, adapt and learn from mistakes.

I still see LOTS of people in Cyro who never use block.
Block is without doubt, along with resing, the most powerful skill in the game.
It works with any weapon and as long as you have stamina, you block most damage on you.

I use lots of stamina reducing enchants, got stamina REGEN food buffs. Stamina effects on my sets and the best of all, the Werewolf 15% stamina regen that stacks with everything.

In Cyro...I normally NEVER go under 50% stamina. When I get attacked. I block and the stupid person attacking me....trying to kill me while my group kills the ganker lol.

Snipe works as intended. It suppose to do good damage one the first shot, then with the snipe effect, the next snipe should one shot targets that doesnt move away, roll, dodge or block.

Any player who just stands there and don't do anything.. Of course they die!
Or players who don't notice they get sniped....

I play without a single addon. I mostly see or hear when I get attacked. MOVE!

Cogo

Marthenil wrote: »

Currently, the armor system is really shallow with limited choice on what armor type to wear for pve. There's hardly any choice, as it's tied to each resource.

I guess you are going to discuss this with the armor skills panel, but I think more complex decisions would really put some more depth into character building.
Will we ever see more varied armor combinations other than 5+1+1, 5+2 or even full 7/7?

Please elaborate why you cant have 2+4+1 in armors?

There are MANY choices for sets in PvE. All depends what you want.
The Champion system impact sets, play styles and many player personal skills.
Long arse post to explain why Champion system need to be balanced the right way. Even with the Champion system, the player skill in ESO and their choices are still what makes them good or "bad".

Armor Sets
I have several sets I use depending on the situation.
In Cyro I even use 3 sets + 3 set + 1 heavy for protection. Works great!
In PvE I have 2 tank sets and 1 damage dealer set. Some of them are the same.

The 5 set bonus for sets and the armor passive is suppose to be that good if you choose 5 of 1 type of armor....since you don't get the benefit from the other armors...you shouldn't!

Is the "problem" that players can't use the same sets for everything?
That problem gets fixed when players learns to adapt.

Armor sets creates lots of builds for very different situations.
Using 5 set to get the 5 set effect or 5 armor to get the 5 armor effects is powerful, but NOT always the best thing. YOUR game play decides what you need, what works for you. It's the player who can utilize their build the best that will be good. Not the sets themselves.

The same setup could work great for one person but suck for another. That's really is choices and builds. With the addition to player skill.

For example, 5 heavy armor is a BIG defense power. Not only higher armor value, BUT 20% less stamina cost when blocking! You can get less stamina cost when blocking from Enchants. BUT what do you trade that for? This is balance.

With the removal of caps....armor value going to be even more valuable.
This creates tons of different builds and play styles.
Magika resist, poison, fire, ice, stuns, decease and any other damage that does NOT count towards the defense of armor or spell resist, will be another factor in damage and defense.

More to choose from! Awesome!
You can not have all skills/resists/defense active all the time IS balancing.
The Champion system will make you choose what you find best. Still the players ability to utilize their build is more powerful then 1000 Champion points

Block and roll is still the most powerful skills in the game.
The skills are global. Everyone can do them! But to use it and when, is up to the player ;-)
If you don't protect yourself from an attack.....do you blame the attacker or yourself?

My view
I suspect the justice system and thieves guild will make poison and other deadly means to use on your weapons or enemies to be another key factor to choose from.

The player choice in what gear, sets effects, resists, traits or attack bonus will create lots of builds and the choice what YOUR char will be good at.
You can choose anything, but not at the same time. THAT's gold!
The character power becomes even more about player skill.

The only thing the current and new combat will do, is making sure no player can do the best damage, take the most damage, be resistant against everything, Kill anything and block forever. AT THE SAME TIME!

ESO is about player choices. You chose what's best for YOU.
What works the best, is the players choice and game play, not the game.
If a player choose a skill just because its overpowered, don't blame the game for fixing it.

Why nerfs are bad
The nerf in July to Vet 1-6 areas was made because some players whined it was too hard!!! They can't solo 5 mobs at the same time! *sigh*

It's a VETERAN AREA
I still don't understand players who whines about harder encounters when they get more powerful. Shouldn't a powerful, good player combat with harder mobs? And handle harder encounters cause they are VETERANS?

Again, the whiners are those who didn't play 1-49. They did best exp/hour.
At Vet rank...they where not better at playing then most level 10 were.
The WHOLE reason why people screamed nerf for Vet 1-6 areas, was because they lacked the skills to do anything challenging in their level range.

Even Grotto at level 12-20 (with 4 players 12-20) is a miniraid and you learn dungeons skills there. NO ONE learns a damn thing by doing lower dungeons when you are higher level.

When they hit Rank 1....they had NO clue how to handle real dungeons, harder mob etc. Instead of trying to learn how to beat the encounter.....Whined to Zenimax who lowered the difficulty in Vet 1-6 areas. Now those areas are a joke. You don't need to focus at all when playing there.

Ask yourself why some Vet 14 claims Crypt of hearts is to hard, when a group of Vet 1-6 can do it? Including the Undaunted achievement?

The problem with exp and Craglorn
Craglorn is GREAT! Awesome to explore, storyline, lots of hard events, Devles and quest dungeons. Lots of fun things! I have noticed that most Vet 14 thinks Craglorn is boring. I still dont get it. I have a blast there! Still to much exp but at least not 1 rank every evening.

A group of 4 can do most things and its a big challenge. Gives great exp and very good rewards. Craglorn really is the best place to be vet 8-14.
Vet 1+ can go there. But they learn NOTHING, if a group or raid grinds the exp for them.

People simply get the wrong idea and think Craglorn exp i normal and everything else suck. When it's the opposite.

Normal exp everywhere else then Craglorn and Cyrodiil is the norm.
NOT the massive exp you get in Craglorn and Cyro.

Letting people "grind" or enter craglorn at lower ranks only did one thing:
It ROBBED players of their right to raise their personal skill.

I HOPE the Champion system will make all the Silver and Gold content available, but make them challenging! Let the Veteran, elite level 50 players face the harder enemies they SHOULD be able to handle.

There should be solo content of course. It just CANT be right that solo players can kill everything themselves. Why have an MMO if you do not need grouping for certain events?

The coming Solo intended ZONE gonna rock! And then there will be whines that people cant do it solo! I hope Zenimax Ignores them and let solo players have "their" zone. Everyone can solo, but you cant do everything yourself. Sometimes YOU need to learn more before taking on an encounter. This fact seams to elude some people.

VETERAN means veteran. It does not mean "Ok I am Veteran with a cool rank now...so I can solo anything"

Long arse post. But since some players don't think lots of sets are very usable in PvE, I wanted to give my reason why they are.

Skullemainia

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Its my birthday...so I will just put my feet up and sip a glass red wine while being completely engrossed.
Looking forward to hear more details.

happy birthday do you give a party in Tamriel?? maybe in Cyrodill??

Rune_Relic

Skullemainia wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Its my birthday...so I will just put my feet up and sip a glass red wine while being completely engrossed.
Looking forward to hear more details.

happy birthday do you give a party in Tamriel?? maybe in Cyrodill??

Thanks.
Party in Cyrodiil ? Meh. I'll find a dark secluded spot and hide today lol.

LunaRae

Haven't been this excited for ESO live in a long time, please be a big episode

HeroOfNone

Will the justice system apply in Cyrodiil? Could you be KOS around your own keep? What about around NPC towns where the guards are faction ed by the nearby keep?

With the addition of the justice system can we hope to see som things like bashable doors, breakable furniture, destroyable chests, or feeding on sleeping villagers sometime in the future?

phreatophile

Gyudan wrote: »

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- If so, how do you differentiate players doing real content (quests, PVP, dungeons, trials) and the ones grinding? (repeatedly repeating the same instance of portions of an instance to get XP as quickly and efficiently as possible, currently 10-20 times faster than intended)
- How will you prevent Champion Point grind?
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Why are there no children NPCs in the game?

They knew there would be enough children in the playerbase.

Why do people who find endless questing a bit like stabbing themselves in the eyeballs over and over with a rusty fork have to be prevented from enjoying the game their way in order for you to be happy?

Qyrk

Good afternoon,

I would like to know if there is a way to tell visually in the game between players with different champion points. Will there be icons (like pvp) that will be used, use of auras, or titles ?

LonePirate

heroofnoneb14_ESO wrote: »

Will the justice system apply in Cyrodiil? Could you be KOS around your own keep? What about around NPC towns where the guards are faction ed by the nearby keep?

It was previously stated that the Justice System would not apply in Cyrodiil. Members of your own faction will not be able to administer justice to you; but there will still be plenty of players from the other factions who will be eager to punish you with a death sentence, even if you have committed no crimes.

HeroOfNone

LonePirate wrote: »

heroofnoneb14_ESO wrote: »

Will the justice system apply in Cyrodiil? Could you be KOS around your own keep? What about around NPC towns where the guards are faction ed by the nearby keep?

It was previously stated that the Justice System would not apply in Cyrodiil. Members of your own faction will not be able to administer justice to you; but there will still be plenty of players from the other factions who will be eager to punish you with a death sentence, even if you have committed no crimes.

I heard that player justice system wouldn't apply, I wasn't sure if the npc portion would be the same. This might mean that cyrodiil will be a hotbed for robbing town folk, or that there won't be anything to steal then?

Another separate question: are we going to get any sort of bonus for going to the PST server during this patch? I know it was mentioned previously about giving testers some sort of reward for their time, curious when that is coming in. (I'll still be testing and streaming it on Twitch regardless)

Kerioko

Qyrk wrote: »

Good afternoon,

I would like to know if there is a way to tell visually in the game between players with different champion points. Will there be icons (like pvp) that will be used, use of auras, or titles ?

Hopefully not. Then we will start seeing in chat things like "AA speed run, 400 champion points min."

Marthenil

@Cogo‌ because the 5 piece bonuses per armor type are too strong to ignore. To say otherwise is ignorant. Go read some theorycrafting.

I'm talking about armor TYPES not SETS btw.

And, your acenarios are cute but nowhere near any competitive reality. To ignore the 5p passives when building is madness in the current meta.

Edit: lol me all you like, there's proof of the 5p worth all over the theorycrafting websites, you can be blind to the truth and keep sucking all you like

Vlakna

Can we get better customization for our horses? Instead of pets as loyalty reward. Horses look very simple now

Fecius

Question: I play sorc, i love it, but... So will rebalance give to sorcerers some new builds, not only crushing shock. Cause it's a bit weried, i cant use my abilityes from Sorc lines, cause they just make my DPS lower, not higher... I rly want to throw Crystal shards, but i cant! Cuase my dps become lower (((( And yes, The Serpent Trial HM is GREAT! Do more such stuff plz ))))

acovington90b14_ESO

What will happen to the modifiers like the werewolf ability for increasing ultimate when damaged