Just got back to the game - Dont want to be Harry Potter

edwardphugginsub17_ESO

Dont like wearing a dress..is there any class...that i can wear medium or heavy (combo with light ok) that is viable in pvp AND pve. Please advise..thanks in advance

JackDaniell

An awseome Templar Stamina build for PvP, you can use it in PvE as well:



Here is the build video:

SteveCampsOut

edwardphugginsub17_ESO wrote: »

Dont like wearing a dress..is there any class...that i can wear medium or heavy (combo with light ok) that is viable in pvp AND pve. Please advise..thanks in advance

You don't have to wear a dress. They can craft Light Armour Shirts now!

TehMagnus

Jitterbug

If @JackDaniell‌ hadn't linked to this (his own) video I would have. It really shows how you can benefit from a "pure" stamina build right now, using medium armor.
Back in the day Atropos also had a build utilizing medium armor and dual wield on the sorcerer that I had been playing since launch until Jack (above) made me rethink my sorcerer and blatantly attempt to steal his templar build.

I did try to switch to light armor and staves but the playstyle didn't appeal to me, so I'm stamina built for bow and 2H and loving it.
I can do like 500 dps single target with stamina (on vr8) and while that isn't impressive in any way it is sufficient for the content I'm doing right now. I did hit closer to 800 with dual wield.

So the templar (as shown in the video) can be built for stamina, and the sorcerer can as well. I'm guessing the Nightblade is probably the best for stamina dps, although I'm not sure (my Nightblade sits in Bethnik at level 36 doing potions), and I honestly don't know about the Dragonknight but I can't imagine that they won't have some cool stamina builds.

CapuchinSeven

I've not watched them all but I didn't find those Templar videos very convincing when I first watched them.

The Nightblade fight near the start was enough for me, any Templar holding down a bow heavy shot waiting for me instead of blocking when I'm stealthed near it isn't going to last long.

Immovable and Sun Shield isn't going to save a stamina Templar from my ranged attacks and Crippling Grasp and I can out heal any stamina build by a large amount and all I'm going to be doing is healing and crippling (which Immovable isn't going to help with) until I can line it up for the right moment of 2k of burst.

They can wave two handed swords around all they want, that's what Healing Ward is for and all the dodging in the word won't burn down my sustainability.

I say all of this because I really think people need to understand that if you want to roll a stamina build it's going to be 90% about ganking, the other 10% is frantically dodging around . That's fine, but you need to accept you're going to be almost pointless to a group, to the point of plain leaching for heals and help whenever you finish your open burst and have to dodge back to your zerg.

Any stamina build that doesn't kill me in the first 2 seconds of their open, is meat to me. And mostly the only stamina builds that can do that are macro bow users.

TequilaFire

Uh, Harry Potter uses a wand, and other than in a quest that zaps chickens and scamps there are none.

I wear medium jack, boots and belt and the remaining 4 light as a battle mage on my sorc and DK, no dress for me!

AlnilamE

Not sure about PvP, but my NB wears medium with DW/resto or DW/Bow and light when set up for healing (resto/resto) and she's doing fine.

OrangeTheCat

You can wear whatever you want. It's you who is limiting your options.

booksmcread

There are plenty of very good and viable stamina builds out there. If you do some searching on the forums, you'll find them. And there will be several that get posted in the Alliance War section.

Alphashado

OP didn't say anything about not using magicka. He/she just doesn't want to use a staff and wear a dress. So @OP. Grab a DK. Put him/her in 5 heavy/2 light. Use 1H/sheild. Go all magicka/health. Use mostly DK class skills. Shield Charge/Talons/Fiery Breath/laval whip/Standard.

You will love it.

EDIT: Make the two cloth pieces smaller (like belt/gloves or belt/boots or belt/hood) in order for the heavy armor to really stand out.

If you just want to solo, stack more magicka then health. If you want to tank, stack more health then magicka, grab a taunt, and rock on.

In regards to DPS, you can actually dish out a ton of dps using 1h/sheild because you are using DK class skills, it just won't be optimal and you will get some dirty looks in dungeons.

AlexDougherty

edwardphugginsub17_ESO wrote: »

Dont like wearing a dress..is there any class...that i can wear medium or heavy (combo with light ok) that is viable in pvp AND pve. Please advise..thanks in advance

You could always have a combination of Light and Heavy Armours, Say a Cuirass, Greaves and Boots from Heavy Armour, and Hood, Shoulders and Gloves from Light Armour (your choice for Belt).

Of course several passives require you to five pieces from one type, But even then you could go for Cuirass and Greaves with Light Armour (or Hood and Belt from Light armour with the rest Heavy).

Merlin13KAGL

edwardphugginsub17_ESO wrote: »

Dont like wearing a dress..is there any class...that i can wear medium or heavy (combo with light ok) that is viable in pvp AND pve. Please advise..thanks in advance

So don't.

Tired of the stereotype. Tired of the (unfounded) complaint that there is but one build that works and you're therefore obligated to use that.

Set pieces abound. The Light armor is fairly traditional for spellcasters and has typically been endowed with caster type benefits, just as Heavy has benefits for Tank/Melee types and Medium for stamina types.

I'm just tired of hearing it referred to this way as if they only reason anyone chose anything was due to the benefits / cookie cutter / FOTM builds.

If you can't find a combination that works without mocking other combinations, perhaps this game is not for you?

Do you not think casters would be just as interested in wearing Medium or Heavy without losing the benefit of the passives tied to each type?

You make it sound like Sorc's rule the world...and they don't.

/rant

Gorthax

Alphashado wrote: »

OP didn't say anything about not using magicka. He/she just doesn't want to use a staff and wear a dress. So @OP. Grab a DK. Put him/her in 5 heavy/2 light. Use 1H/sheild. Go all magicka/health. Use mostly DK class skills. Shield Charge/Talons/Fiery Breath/laval whip/Standard.

You will love it.

EDIT: Make the two cloth pieces smaller (like belt/gloves or belt/boots or belt/hood) in order for the heavy armor to really stand out.

If you just want to solo, stack more magicka then health. If you want to tank, stack more health then magicka, grab a taunt, and rock on.

In regards to DPS, you can actually dish out a ton of dps using 1h/sheild because you are using DK class skills, it just won't be optimal and you will get some dirty looks in dungeons.

you forgot to tell him to go vamp as well. it is the only piece of the combo missing. You got the gear right, stats right, class right, and weapon right. Just forgot to toss in vamp to become the superstupidfacerollROFLMFAOwhatsakeyboard build

Turelus

edwardphugginsub17_ESO wrote: »

Dont like wearing a dress..is there any class...that i can wear medium or heavy (combo with light ok) that is viable in pvp AND pve. Please advise..thanks in advance

@edwardphugginsub17_ESO there are a few stamina builds which are viable in PVE and PVP now and will be accepted in groups. Right now I play a Nightblade Heavy Armour tank, I have done a decent amount of PVE content and can tank all the daily dungeons and first two trials without any problems.
The game has come a long way with a lot of changes to help boost non-magicka builds, with Champion System coming in Jan/Feb there will also be further improvements towards this.

Magicka builds will still be slightly stronger as they have more options and keep their stamina free for use in blocking, roll dodging and breaking CC.

That being said the top non-DK builds for raw DPS right now I have seen are all stamina builds.

Sallington

If you wear light armor and try to melee in any single player ES game, you'd be super squishy as well. Same thing if you tried to be a caster in heavy armor, it's not as effective. I don't know why certain combinations being kind of terrible is causing some people to lose their minds.

SRIBES

At the moment heavy armor really is not viable outside of PvE group tanking. There are some really fun stamina builds out there. For PvP Jacks build he already linked is probably one of the best templar builds and it's stamina based. Xsorus on youtube has some great stamina DK videos. Atropos's reaver build is pretty viable in PvP for ganking but usinf a bow on the other bar and lethal arrowing people. Then typical stamina NB builds that 1 shot people from stealth with lethal arrow and run off in shadow cloak. PvE you will probably want a carve based build for AoEing single target stamina weapon is pretty opinion based.

Surfinginhawaii

I'm trying 3 heavy and 4 medium, feat reduction on all jewelry and leader of the pack slotted (werewolf ultimate). My main attack is carve and with leader of the pack and I hope to be able drop ultimates left and right (main ultimate being standard of might). I want that dropped set (blessing of the potentates) that gives you a reduce cost to ultimates but haven't found it in any guild stores.

Pmarsico9

The content does favor ranged, but I think Bows are perfectly viable in a medium armor build.

JackDaniell

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

I've not watched them all but I didn't find those Templar videos very convincing when I first watched them.

The Nightblade fight near the start was enough for me, any Templar holding down a bow heavy shot waiting for me instead of blocking when I'm stealthed near it isn't going to last long.

Immovable and Sun Shield isn't going to save a stamina Templar from my ranged attacks and Crippling Grasp and I can out heal any stamina build by a large amount and all I'm going to be doing is healing and crippling (which Immovable isn't going to help with) until I can line it up for the right moment of 2k of burst.

They can wave two handed swords around all they want, that's what Healing Ward is for and all the dodging in the word won't burn down my sustainability.

I say all of this because I really think people need to understand that if you want to roll a stamina build it's going to be 90% about ganking, the other 10% is frantically dodging around . That's fine, but you need to accept you're going to be almost pointless to a group, to the point of plain leaching for heals and help whenever you finish your open burst and have to dodge back to your zerg.

Any stamina build that doesn't kill me in the first 2 seconds of their open, is meat to me. And mostly the only stamina builds that can do that are macro bow users.

Did some duels against some of the top magicka NBs NA and went undefeated last night. Trust me with nearly 2700 armor and spell resist, immovable and a flat -24% incomming damage ontop of that I have yet to come by any nightblade regardless of build that gives me allot of trouble (unless I get ganked off my horse).

With the changes to spell pen nearly everything looses a ton a damage when attacking this build. Also, anyone in cloth will feel that flimsy greatsword, can I say 1k crit rush?

Comments from NBs "you burn through my healing wards like their nothing"

JackDaniell

AsweetRoll wrote: »

At the moment heavy armor really is not viable outside of PvE group tanking. There are some really fun stamina builds out there. For PvP Jacks build he already linked is probably one of the best templar builds and it's stamina based. Xsorus on youtube has some great stamina DK videos. Atropos's reaver build is pretty viable in PvP for ganking but usinf a bow on the other bar and lethal arrowing people. Then typical stamina NB builds that 1 shot people from stealh with lethal arrow and run off in shadow cloak. PvE you will probably want a carve based build for AoEing single target stamina weapon is pretty opinion based.

Oo please link Xorsus's video! It's a fantastic build and I can't link it on my phone

poodlemasterb16_ESO

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

I've not watched them all but I didn't find those Templar videos very convincing when I first watched them.

The Nightblade fight near the start was enough for me, any Templar holding down a bow heavy shot waiting for me instead of blocking when I'm stealthed near it isn't going to last long.

Immovable and Sun Shield isn't going to save a stamina Templar from my ranged attacks and Crippling Grasp and I can out heal any stamina build by a large amount and all I'm going to be doing is healing and crippling (which Immovable isn't going to help with) until I can line it up for the right moment of 2k of burst.

They can wave two handed swords around all they want, that's what Healing Ward is for and all the dodging in the word won't burn down my sustainability.

I say all of this because I really think people need to understand that if you want to roll a stamina build it's going to be 90% about ganking, the other 10% is frantically dodging around . That's fine, but you need to accept you're going to be almost pointless to a group, to the point of plain leaching for heals and help whenever you finish your open burst and have to dodge back to your zerg.

Any stamina build that doesn't kill me in the first 2 seconds of their open, is meat to me. And mostly the only stamina builds that can do that are macro bow users.

Yup. You need to hit so hard the health reduction is serious and then spam a magic finisher. That can be effective.

If not ... be gone.

edwardphugginsub17_ESO

I want to thank everyone for all the responses...I am really surprised and glad the community is live and well..and helpful. So I did look at the templar build..and I do want to try it. Unfortunately my Templar is only level 20. I do have a level 49 DK. Is there any great stam builds out there for DKS?

Turelus

My guild leader and a few other members of my guild use Stamina in PVE and PVP.

Mostly you focus on weapon skills for your DPS, dual-weild, two handed and bow being the top ones.
Then augment them with the magicka skills from DK which support you like molten armorments, dragon blood etc.