Will Alts lvls1-49 be able to spend Champion Points earned by characters lvl50+?

AlexDougherty

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

While characters under level 50 cannot earn champion points, they will be able to spend champion points that are earned by your level 50 characters.

So a new character created buy somebody that has completed every achievement will be significantly more powerful than an identical character created by someone just starting???

Sounds like it might put new people off, if they find themselves being consistantly overpowered in PVP no matter what they do.

Caroloces

So a new character created buy somebody that has completed every achievement will be significantly more powerful than an identical character created by someone just starting???

Sounds like it might put new people off, if they find themselves being consistantly overpowered in PVP no matter what they do.

Really good point here. A new player just entering the game for the first time will be at a distinct disadvantage against another player who has created a new alt, and yet has other vet characters pulling in the CPs. How do you maintain a level playing field when this is possible?

Another question I have is how can the CPs be applied at lower levels? Are you able to convert a certain amount into abilities or morphs like skyshards, or are they a mechanism for building up passives?

Chuggernaut

Caroloces wrote: »

So a new character created buy somebody that has completed every achievement will be significantly more powerful than an identical character created by someone just starting???

Sounds like it might put new people off, if they find themselves being consistantly overpowered in PVP no matter what they do.

Really good point here. A new player just entering the game for the first time will be at a distinct disadvantage against another player who has created a new alt, and yet has other vet characters pulling in the CPs. How do you maintain a level playing field when this is possible?

Another question I have is how can the CPs be applied at lower levels? Are you able to convert a certain amount into abilities or morphs like skyshards, or are they a mechanism for building up passives?

I'm pretty the database update was needed so that the CP work like in Diablo 3. Basically if your max level (50) the percentage gained from CP passives will have a greater effect on the player than if you are only level 1 since the pools that percentage gain are calculating against are greater, but don't quote me.

Cogo

AlexDougherty wrote: »

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

While characters under level 50 cannot earn champion points, they will be able to spend champion points that are earned by your level 50 characters.

So a new character created buy somebody that has completed every achievement will be significantly more powerful than an identical character created by someone just starting???

Sounds like it might put new people off, if they find themselves being consistantly overpowered in PVP no matter what they do.

My concern as well. That's why I asked for a reason why Any char under level 50 could use the points. Its VERY ok that all level 50 has a champion point pool. That make perfect sense.

What I DONT get is why all chars you have, can use all the same points, even if you use the points on another char.

Why isnt a pool of 100 Champion points, reduces to pool of 99 champion points when I use 1 Champion point on any char?

Any level 50 char can add Point to the pool. Why doesnt 1 go away when you use one?

There is a respec option for Champion points. So if someone wants Char A to use all points from Char B. They can respec Char B.

That's less important then letting Lower then 50 use champion points.

Like @AlexDougherty say, new players will be VERY weak by this.

HOWEVER, if every Champion point that was used, could not be used again from the pool. The problem solves itself.

If the player have to choose what char to use the Champion point on, then they CAN make a very powerful level 30....but they earned it!

However, then the level 30 chars champion points SHOULD NOT be able to use on other chars. Why is it possible to use 100 points on 8 chars? that's 800 points?

Confusing!

But Alex raises a very valid point. ESO needs new players. Doesn't matter if people like it or not. New players makes a game live longer, earn more "gold", and get more resources to give us new stuffs LIKE HOUSING!

Champion system gonna rock anyway. Just think about about the game as a whole and not just everyone own view?

Cuyler

Caroloces wrote: »

So a new character created buy somebody that has completed every achievement will be significantly more powerful than an identical character created by someone just starting???

Sounds like it might put new people off, if they find themselves being consistantly overpowered in PVP no matter what they do.

Really good point here. A new player just entering the game for the first time will be at a distinct disadvantage against another player who has created a new alt, and yet has other vet characters pulling in the CPs. How do you maintain a level playing field when this is possible?

Another question I have is how can the CPs be applied at lower levels? Are you able to convert a certain amount into abilities or morphs like skyshards, or are they a mechanism for building up passives?

CPs are used in a 3 new passive skills trees. Skill points will still be the only way to unlock skills and morphs.

Cuyler

Cogo wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

While characters under level 50 cannot earn champion points, they will be able to spend champion points that are earned by your level 50 characters.

So a new character created buy somebody that has completed every achievement will be significantly more powerful than an identical character created by someone just starting???

Sounds like it might put new people off, if they find themselves being consistantly overpowered in PVP no matter what they do.

My concern as well. That's why I asked for a reason why Any char under level 50 could use the points. Its VERY ok that all level 50 has a champion point pool. That make perfect sense.

What I DONT get is why all chars you have, can use all the same points, even if you use the points on another char.

Why isnt a pool of 100 Champion points, reduces to pool of 99 champion points when I use 1 Champion point on any char?

Any level 50 char can add Point to the pool. Why doesnt 1 go away when you use one?

There is a respec option for Champion points. So if someone wants Char A to use all points from Char B. They can respec Char B.

That's less important then letting Lower then 50 use champion points.

Like @AlexDougherty say, new players will be VERY weak by this.

HOWEVER, if every Champion point that was used, could not be used again from the pool. The problem solves itself.

If the player have to choose what char to use the Champion point on, then they CAN make a very powerful level 30....but they earned it!

However, then the level 30 chars champion points SHOULD NOT be able to use on other chars. Why is it possible to use 100 points on 8 chars? that's 800 points?

Confusing!

But Alex raises a very valid point. ESO needs new players. Doesn't matter if people like it or not. New players makes a game live longer, earn more "gold", and get more resources to give us new stuffs LIKE HOUSING!

Champion system gonna rock anyway. Just think about about the game as a whole and not just everyone own view?

I think you've got a handle on it but I just wanted to clarify that the CPs can't be used across characters. Each character gets its own pool of CPs to use.

For example lets say I have 1 main and 3 alts (4 total characters). The Main grinds away and gets 100 CPs. Then each character has 100 points to spend individually or:

Main - 100 CPs
Alt 1 - 100 CPs
Alt 2 - 100 CPs
Alt 3 - 100 CPs

You won't have 400 CPs total to spend on one character. You will only have 100 to spend on each. The points used are specific to that character. The points earned are earned by account.

Therefore, for example you use ten (10) CPs on your main, five (5) CPs on Alt 2 and two (2) CPs on alt 3 your remaining balance would be.

Main - 90 CPs
Alt 1 - 100 CPs
Alt 2 - 95 CPs
Alt 3 - 98 CPs

So in fact the points used are "consumed". Once a point is used on a character, that characters pool reduces by one (1) CP, but each player gets its own pool that functions independently.

Enodoc

Cuyler wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

While characters under level 50 cannot earn champion points, they will be able to spend champion points that are earned by your level 50 characters.

So a new character created buy somebody that has completed every achievement will be significantly more powerful than an identical character created by someone just starting???

Sounds like it might put new people off, if they find themselves being consistantly overpowered in PVP no matter what they do.

My concern as well. That's why I asked for a reason why Any char under level 50 could use the points. Its VERY ok that all level 50 has a champion point pool. That make perfect sense.

What I DONT get is why all chars you have, can use all the same points, even if you use the points on another char.

Why isnt a pool of 100 Champion points, reduces to pool of 99 champion points when I use 1 Champion point on any char?

Any level 50 char can add Point to the pool. Why doesnt 1 go away when you use one?

There is a respec option for Champion points. So if someone wants Char A to use all points from Char B. They can respec Char B.

That's less important then letting Lower then 50 use champion points.

Like @AlexDougherty say, new players will be VERY weak by this.

HOWEVER, if every Champion point that was used, could not be used again from the pool. The problem solves itself.

If the player have to choose what char to use the Champion point on, then they CAN make a very powerful level 30....but they earned it!

However, then the level 30 chars champion points SHOULD NOT be able to use on other chars. Why is it possible to use 100 points on 8 chars? that's 800 points?

Confusing!

But Alex raises a very valid point. ESO needs new players. Doesn't matter if people like it or not. New players makes a game live longer, earn more "gold", and get more resources to give us new stuffs LIKE HOUSING!

Champion system gonna rock anyway. Just think about about the game as a whole and not just everyone own view?

I think you've got a handle on it but I just wanted to clarify that the CPs can't be used across characters. Each character gets its own pool of CPs to use.

For example lets say I have 1 main and 3 alts (4 total characters). The Main grinds away and gets 100 CPs. Then each character has 100 points to spend individually or:

Main - 100 CPs
Alt 1 - 100 CPs
Alt 2 - 100 CPs
Alt 3 - 100 CPs

You won't have 400 CPs total to spend on one character. You will only have 100 to spend on each. The points used are specific to that character. The points earned are earned by account.

Therefore, for example you use ten (10) CPs on your main, five (5) CPs on Alt 2 and two (2) CPs on alt 3 your remaining balance would be.

Main - 90 CPs
Alt 1 - 100 CPs
Alt 2 - 95 CPs
Alt 3 - 98 CPs

So in fact the points used are "consumed". Once a point is used on a character, that characters pool reduces by one (1) CP, but each player gets its own pool that functions independently.

I agree with Cogo that this is a bit odd. A single shared pool of 100 CPs that every character can use and only Vets can add to, makes more sense than 100 earned points becoming 400 usable points, even if they are only usable as 100 on each character.

Lonestryder

Enodoc wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

While characters under level 50 cannot earn champion points, they will be able to spend champion points that are earned by your level 50 characters.

So a new character created buy somebody that has completed every achievement will be significantly more powerful than an identical character created by someone just starting???

Sounds like it might put new people off, if they find themselves being consistantly overpowered in PVP no matter what they do.

My concern as well. That's why I asked for a reason why Any char under level 50 could use the points. Its VERY ok that all level 50 has a champion point pool. That make perfect sense.

What I DONT get is why all chars you have, can use all the same points, even if you use the points on another char.

Why isnt a pool of 100 Champion points, reduces to pool of 99 champion points when I use 1 Champion point on any char?

Any level 50 char can add Point to the pool. Why doesnt 1 go away when you use one?

There is a respec option for Champion points. So if someone wants Char A to use all points from Char B. They can respec Char B.

That's less important then letting Lower then 50 use champion points.

Like @AlexDougherty say, new players will be VERY weak by this.

HOWEVER, if every Champion point that was used, could not be used again from the pool. The problem solves itself.

If the player have to choose what char to use the Champion point on, then they CAN make a very powerful level 30....but they earned it!

However, then the level 30 chars champion points SHOULD NOT be able to use on other chars. Why is it possible to use 100 points on 8 chars? that's 800 points?

Confusing!

But Alex raises a very valid point. ESO needs new players. Doesn't matter if people like it or not. New players makes a game live longer, earn more "gold", and get more resources to give us new stuffs LIKE HOUSING!

Champion system gonna rock anyway. Just think about about the game as a whole and not just everyone own view?

I think you've got a handle on it but I just wanted to clarify that the CPs can't be used across characters. Each character gets its own pool of CPs to use.

For example lets say I have 1 main and 3 alts (4 total characters). The Main grinds away and gets 100 CPs. Then each character has 100 points to spend individually or:

Main - 100 CPs
Alt 1 - 100 CPs
Alt 2 - 100 CPs
Alt 3 - 100 CPs

You won't have 400 CPs total to spend on one character. You will only have 100 to spend on each. The points used are specific to that character. The points earned are earned by account.

Therefore, for example you use ten (10) CPs on your main, five (5) CPs on Alt 2 and two (2) CPs on alt 3 your remaining balance would be.

Main - 90 CPs
Alt 1 - 100 CPs
Alt 2 - 95 CPs
Alt 3 - 98 CPs

So in fact the points used are "consumed". Once a point is used on a character, that characters pool reduces by one (1) CP, but each player gets its own pool that functions independently.

I agree with Cogo that this is a bit odd. A single shared pool of 100 CPs that every character can use and only Vets can add to, makes more sense than 100 earned points becoming 400 usable points, even if they are only usable as 100 on each character.

I agree that this is an awkward process. I hope it gets all the testing it needs.

Voodoo

Regardless of weather a new PvP player may or not be at a disadvantage entering pvp with a first made toon under 50. The benefits of using points on alts out way the cons of a new player who just wants to pvp.

Who wants to do every quest over and over again on thier alt. With the option to spend earned points on alts that greatly increases the want and desire to make alts in the first place adding increased play ability to the game.

The incentive for the "new player" to get their character to level 50 is all that much higher now and more important than ever. Plus they have the option to not pvp until such time if so desired, not like they are forced to because this is a pvp server.

TL,DR with the new CP coming alts once again are desirable to make. Far out weighting any problems not having CP collected yet on a new player in pvp.