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I have been wondering this for a while, but once the Champion System is fully released, are the "Veteran Ranks" going to be removed and level 50 will be the level cap? (While people can still progress in the champion system, level 50 is the cap and no more Veteran Rank?)
I haven't got a clear answer on this and haven't touched my Vet because I thought it was useless if it was going to be removed.
I haven't got a clear answer on this and haven't touched my Vet because I thought it was useless if it was going to be removed.
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✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xDDaggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
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✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
Experience gains even after v14 is still being tracked. So regardless of how many character you have, you will not be at a disadvantaged if you only play 1 character against someone who have several veteran characters.0 -
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✭Experience gains even after v14 is still being tracked. So regardless of how many character you have, you will not be at a disadvantaged if you only play 1 character against someone who have several veteran characters.
Awesome thank you!
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✭Yes they will eventually be removed, but the Champion System coming in Update 6 is only Phase 3, and the 2 systems will overlap until Update 7 or 8.
I head those are late January as well?Daggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
Champion points will come from post level 50 exp. If you have none you will be way behind. Play your vet characters you are earning champion points.0 -
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I bet pts next week 1.6 two weeks after.s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »
We probably won't get update 6 until January. Then you should expect update 7 to be released in March.
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They are tracking all experience gained after patch 1.5 for VR1 and up (no exp below lvl 50 counts towards the Champion system) there will also be a cap on exactly how many champion points you get as well.
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✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
No go ahead and do VR14 on your main so you don't have to grind champ points for your alts.
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✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
No go ahead and do VR14 on your main so you don't have to grind champ points for your alts.
Your alts need to be lvl 50 to gain any CPs you build from your main.
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✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
No go ahead and do VR14 on your main so you don't have to grind champ points for your alts.
Your alts need to be lvl 50 to gain any CPs you build from your main.
But he's not going to have any CP points if he gets them all to 50 then stops.
I know, I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't see where the OP stated his main's rank, he just says vet....so I'm assuming he's VR1. if that's the case his alts aren't vets yet.
Therefore if he works to VR14 on his main expecting to get CPs for all his characters he will be sorely disappointed. I'm simply clarifying the fact the alts will not receive the CPs as he works towards VR14, not inferring a judement on what is the right or wrong way to max your CPs gains.Guild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
No go ahead and do VR14 on your main so you don't have to grind champ points for your alts.
Your alts need to be lvl 50 to gain any CPs you build from your main.
But he's not going to have any CP points if he gets them all to 50 then stops.
I know, I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't see where the OP stated his main's rank, he just says vet....so I'm assuming he's VR1. if that's the case his alts aren't vets yet.
Therefore if he works to VR14 on his main expecting to get CPs for all his characters he will be sorely disappointed. I'm simply clarifying the fact the alts will not receive the CPs as he works towards VR14, not inferring a judement on what is the right or wrong way to max your CPs gains.
OP said he hasn't touched Vet ranks yet. So that leads me to believe he's not VR14 with his main. Any Character above level 50 gets CP points to spend per character meaning his alts would get CP points for the main being VR14. If he doesn't get his main to VR14 he won't have CP for his alts. Make sense?Edited by ers101284b14_ESO on December 5, 2014 9:42PM1 -
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✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
No go ahead and do VR14 on your main so you don't have to grind champ points for your alts.
Your alts need to be lvl 50 to gain any CPs you build from your main.
But he's not going to have any CP points if he gets them all to 50 then stops.
I know, I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't see where the OP stated his main's rank, he just says vet....so I'm assuming he's VR1. if that's the case his alts aren't vets yet.
Therefore if he works to VR14 on his main expecting to get CPs for all his characters he will be sorely disappointed. I'm simply clarifying the fact the alts will not receive the CPs as he works towards VR14, not inferring a judement on what is the right or wrong way to max your CPs gains.
OP said he hasn't touched Vet ranks yet. So that leads me to believe he's not VR14 with his main. Any Character above level 50 gets CP points to spend per character meaning his alts would get CP points for the main being VR14. If he doesn't get his main to VR14 he won't have CP for his alts. Make sense?
Your preaching to the choir
I'm fully aware of what the CS entails.
My point is that if his plan is to have multiple alts to play the game, and not just be mules or crafters, he may want to consider leveling the alts first before attempting to gather a bunch of CPs for just one character.
Imagine a main, completing VR14. great! you now have all those CPs for that ONE character. You now have to go back and aquire CPs for your alts, essentially wasting time, when you could have been acquiring CPs for all your characters as you leveled your main to VR14.
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✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
No go ahead and do VR14 on your main so you don't have to grind champ points for your alts.
Your alts need to be lvl 50 to gain any CPs you build from your main.
But he's not going to have any CP points if he gets them all to 50 then stops.
I know, I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't see where the OP stated his main's rank, he just says vet....so I'm assuming he's VR1. if that's the case his alts aren't vets yet.
Therefore if he works to VR14 on his main expecting to get CPs for all his characters he will be sorely disappointed. I'm simply clarifying the fact the alts will not receive the CPs as he works towards VR14, not inferring a judement on what is the right or wrong way to max your CPs gains.
OP said he hasn't touched Vet ranks yet. So that leads me to believe he's not VR14 with his main. Any Character above level 50 gets CP points to spend per character meaning his alts would get CP points for the main being VR14. If he doesn't get his main to VR14 he won't have CP for his alts. Make sense?
Your preaching to the choir I'm fully aware of what the CS entails.
My point is that if his plan is to have multiple alts to play the game, and not just be mules or crafters, he may want to consider leveling the alts first before attempting to gather a bunch of CPs for just one character.
Imagine a main, completing VR14. great! you now have all those CPs for that ONE character. You now have to go back and aquire CPs for your alts, essentially wasting time, when you could have been acquiring CPs for all your characters as you leveled your main to VR14.
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But he will get CP for VR ranks not for 1-50. For all characters. So if he has CP for his main his alts get it also. CP is per account not per character. So his main getting to VR14 does in fact give all his alts CP when they hit 50. So if his Main is VR1 and he gets 7 alts to 50 he will have no CP. Butt if his main is VR14 and his alts are 50 he will have CP for all his characters.Edited by ers101284b14_ESO on December 5, 2014 9:53PM1 -
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✭The question you want to ask yourself is how many VR14 characters do you need to enjoy playing the game.
The answer for me is 4, one of each class. If I wasn't already VR14 my strategy would be level the 4 until 50 and then working towards VR14 on my favorite so that they all have lots of CPs when I'm done with the first.Edited by Cuyler on December 5, 2014 9:53PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
No go ahead and do VR14 on your main so you don't have to grind champ points for your alts.
Your alts need to be lvl 50 to gain any CPs you build from your main.
But he's not going to have any CP points if he gets them all to 50 then stops.
I know, I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't see where the OP stated his main's rank, he just says vet....so I'm assuming he's VR1. if that's the case his alts aren't vets yet.
Therefore if he works to VR14 on his main expecting to get CPs for all his characters he will be sorely disappointed. I'm simply clarifying the fact the alts will not receive the CPs as he works towards VR14, not inferring a judement on what is the right or wrong way to max your CPs gains.
OP said he hasn't touched Vet ranks yet. So that leads me to believe he's not VR14 with his main. Any Character above level 50 gets CP points to spend per character meaning his alts would get CP points for the main being VR14. If he doesn't get his main to VR14 he won't have CP for his alts. Make sense?
Your preaching to the choir I'm fully aware of what the CS entails.
My point is that if his plan is to have multiple alts to play the game, and not just be mules or crafters, he may want to consider leveling the alts first before attempting to gather a bunch of CPs for just one character.
Imagine a main, completing VR14. great! you now have all those CPs for that ONE character. You now have to go back and aquire CPs for your alts, essentially wasting time, when you could have been acquiring CPs for all your characters as you leveled your main to VR14.
Edit: clarity
But he will get CP for VR ranks not for 1-50. For all characters. So if he has CP for his main his alts get it also. CP is per account not per character. So his main getting to VR14 does in fact give all his alts CP when they hit 50. So if his Main is VR1 and he gets 7 alts to 50 he will have no CP. Butt if his main is VR14 and his alts are 50 he will have CP for all his characters.
What you are discounting is that if he gets to VR14 with his main and his alts aren't lvl 50, his alts will have no CPs anyways.Edited by Cuyler on December 5, 2014 10:03PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
No go ahead and do VR14 on your main so you don't have to grind champ points for your alts.
Your alts need to be lvl 50 to gain any CPs you build from your main.
But he's not going to have any CP points if he gets them all to 50 then stops.
I know, I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't see where the OP stated his main's rank, he just says vet....so I'm assuming he's VR1. if that's the case his alts aren't vets yet.
Therefore if he works to VR14 on his main expecting to get CPs for all his characters he will be sorely disappointed. I'm simply clarifying the fact the alts will not receive the CPs as he works towards VR14, not inferring a judement on what is the right or wrong way to max your CPs gains.
OP said he hasn't touched Vet ranks yet. So that leads me to believe he's not VR14 with his main. Any Character above level 50 gets CP points to spend per character meaning his alts would get CP points for the main being VR14. If he doesn't get his main to VR14 he won't have CP for his alts. Make sense?
Your preaching to the choir I'm fully aware of what the CS entails.
My point is that if his plan is to have multiple alts to play the game, and not just be mules or crafters, he may want to consider leveling the alts first before attempting to gather a bunch of CPs for just one character.
Imagine a main, completing VR14. great! you now have all those CPs for that ONE character. You now have to go back and aquire CPs for your alts, essentially wasting time, when you could have been acquiring CPs for all your characters as you leveled your main to VR14.
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But he will get CP for VR ranks not for 1-50. For all characters. So if he has CP for his main his alts get it also. CP is per account not per character. So his main getting to VR14 does in fact give all his alts CP when they hit 50. So if his Main is VR1 and he gets 7 alts to 50 he will have no CP. Butt if his main is VR14 and his alts are 50 he will have CP for all his characters.
What you are discounting is that if he gets to VR14 with his main and his alts aren't lvl 50, his alts will have no CPs anyways.
But if his main doesn't get past VR1 and his alts are at 50 he still wont have CP
So he really needs to do both.
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✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
No go ahead and do VR14 on your main so you don't have to grind champ points for your alts.
Your alts need to be lvl 50 to gain any CPs you build from your main.
But he's not going to have any CP points if he gets them all to 50 then stops.
I know, I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't see where the OP stated his main's rank, he just says vet....so I'm assuming he's VR1. if that's the case his alts aren't vets yet.
Therefore if he works to VR14 on his main expecting to get CPs for all his characters he will be sorely disappointed. I'm simply clarifying the fact the alts will not receive the CPs as he works towards VR14, not inferring a judement on what is the right or wrong way to max your CPs gains.
OP said he hasn't touched Vet ranks yet. So that leads me to believe he's not VR14 with his main. Any Character above level 50 gets CP points to spend per character meaning his alts would get CP points for the main being VR14. If he doesn't get his main to VR14 he won't have CP for his alts. Make sense?
Your preaching to the choir I'm fully aware of what the CS entails.
My point is that if his plan is to have multiple alts to play the game, and not just be mules or crafters, he may want to consider leveling the alts first before attempting to gather a bunch of CPs for just one character.
Imagine a main, completing VR14. great! you now have all those CPs for that ONE character. You now have to go back and aquire CPs for your alts, essentially wasting time, when you could have been acquiring CPs for all your characters as you leveled your main to VR14.
Edit: clarity
But he will get CP for VR ranks not for 1-50. For all characters. So if he has CP for his main his alts get it also. CP is per account not per character. So his main getting to VR14 does in fact give all his alts CP when they hit 50. So if his Main is VR1 and he gets 7 alts to 50 he will have no CP. Butt if his main is VR14 and his alts are 50 he will have CP for all his characters.
What you are discounting is that if he gets to VR14 with his main and his alts aren't lvl 50, his alts will have no CPs anyways.
But if his main doesn't get past VR1 and his alts are at 50 he still wont have CP
Edit: VR1 not VR14
What makes more sense?
Gaining CPs one character at a time, or
Gaining CPs for every character at once?
It's a waste of time to get all those CPs for one character just to have to go back and do it again for another. make sense?
Edit: It takes like 2 wks to go from 1-50. It takes like 3 months to get to VR14 now. just get the alts out of the way and you'll thank yourself later.Edited by Cuyler on December 5, 2014 10:15PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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✭Your goal should not be to compete to get to VR14. In 1.5 months VR14 will mean nothing. even if you get to VR14 before they remove vet ranks you won't be strong as a VR14 now that has been building xp for a long time.
If you plan on having multiple alts that con compete in game, don't waste your time. Get those alts to 50 and then focus on getting CPs for all of them at the same time.Guild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
No go ahead and do VR14 on your main so you don't have to grind champ points for your alts.
Your alts need to be lvl 50 to gain any CPs you build from your main.
But he's not going to have any CP points if he gets them all to 50 then stops.
I know, I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't see where the OP stated his main's rank, he just says vet....so I'm assuming he's VR1. if that's the case his alts aren't vets yet.
Therefore if he works to VR14 on his main expecting to get CPs for all his characters he will be sorely disappointed. I'm simply clarifying the fact the alts will not receive the CPs as he works towards VR14, not inferring a judement on what is the right or wrong way to max your CPs gains.
OP said he hasn't touched Vet ranks yet. So that leads me to believe he's not VR14 with his main. Any Character above level 50 gets CP points to spend per character meaning his alts would get CP points for the main being VR14. If he doesn't get his main to VR14 he won't have CP for his alts. Make sense?
Your preaching to the choir I'm fully aware of what the CS entails.
My point is that if his plan is to have multiple alts to play the game, and not just be mules or crafters, he may want to consider leveling the alts first before attempting to gather a bunch of CPs for just one character.
Imagine a main, completing VR14. great! you now have all those CPs for that ONE character. You now have to go back and aquire CPs for your alts, essentially wasting time, when you could have been acquiring CPs for all your characters as you leveled your main to VR14.
Edit: clarity
But he will get CP for VR ranks not for 1-50. For all characters. So if he has CP for his main his alts get it also. CP is per account not per character. So his main getting to VR14 does in fact give all his alts CP when they hit 50. So if his Main is VR1 and he gets 7 alts to 50 he will have no CP. Butt if his main is VR14 and his alts are 50 he will have CP for all his characters.
What you are discounting is that if he gets to VR14 with his main and his alts aren't lvl 50, his alts will have no CPs anyways.
But if his main doesn't get past VR1 and his alts are at 50 he still wont have CP
Edit: VR1 not VR14
What makes more sense?
Gaining CPs one character at a time, or
Gaining CPs for every character at once?
It's a waste of time to get all those CPs for one character just to have to go back and do it again for another. make sense?
Ok lets go through this again.
1-50 Does not gain CP
VR1-VR14-Gets CP
CP Is account wide not by character
So getting 1 character to VR14 will in fact give all of his alts CP when they hit 50. They will get 0 CP getting to 50. If main and all alts right now are at 50 no one will have CP.
If main is at VR14 and he has 2 alts at 50 all 3 characters will have CP.
Right now if he stopped at VR1 and leveled other Alts to VR1 he will still have 0 CP because he did not get far enough past VR1 to get any CP at all.
He has to get into vet ranks with 1 character not all of them. Just 1.2 -
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✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
No go ahead and do VR14 on your main so you don't have to grind champ points for your alts.
Your alts need to be lvl 50 to gain any CPs you build from your main.
But he's not going to have any CP points if he gets them all to 50 then stops.
I know, I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't see where the OP stated his main's rank, he just says vet....so I'm assuming he's VR1. if that's the case his alts aren't vets yet.
Therefore if he works to VR14 on his main expecting to get CPs for all his characters he will be sorely disappointed. I'm simply clarifying the fact the alts will not receive the CPs as he works towards VR14, not inferring a judement on what is the right or wrong way to max your CPs gains.
OP said he hasn't touched Vet ranks yet. So that leads me to believe he's not VR14 with his main. Any Character above level 50 gets CP points to spend per character meaning his alts would get CP points for the main being VR14. If he doesn't get his main to VR14 he won't have CP for his alts. Make sense?
Your preaching to the choir I'm fully aware of what the CS entails.
My point is that if his plan is to have multiple alts to play the game, and not just be mules or crafters, he may want to consider leveling the alts first before attempting to gather a bunch of CPs for just one character.
Imagine a main, completing VR14. great! you now have all those CPs for that ONE character. You now have to go back and aquire CPs for your alts, essentially wasting time, when you could have been acquiring CPs for all your characters as you leveled your main to VR14.
Edit: clarity
But he will get CP for VR ranks not for 1-50. For all characters. So if he has CP for his main his alts get it also. CP is per account not per character. So his main getting to VR14 does in fact give all his alts CP when they hit 50. So if his Main is VR1 and he gets 7 alts to 50 he will have no CP. Butt if his main is VR14 and his alts are 50 he will have CP for all his characters.
What you are discounting is that if he gets to VR14 with his main and his alts aren't lvl 50, his alts will have no CPs anyways.
But if his main doesn't get past VR1 and his alts are at 50 he still wont have CP
Edit: VR1 not VR14
What makes more sense?
Gaining CPs one character at a time, or
Gaining CPs for every character at once?
It's a waste of time to get all those CPs for one character just to have to go back and do it again for another. make sense?
Ok lets go through this again.
1-50 Does not gain CP
VR1-VR14-Gets CP
CP Is account wide not by character
So getting 1 character to VR14 will in fact give all of his alts CP when they hit 50. They will get 0 CP getting to 50. If main and all alts right now are at 50 no one will have CP.
If main is at VR14 and he has 2 alts at 50 all 3 characters will have CP.
Right now if he stopped at VR1 and leveled other Alts to VR1 he will still have 0 CP because he did not get far enough past VR1 to get any CP at all.
He has to get into vet ranks with 1 character not all of them. Just 1.
What I bolded above is not a fact and is misleading. Low level Alts don't just magically get all the CPs your VR14 worked for when they turn 50
The alts need to be 50 to take advantage of the shared CPs. If they are not 50 while you grind on your main then they will have to acquire them later on their own or while you grind even more of your main when your alts actually reach 50.
Edit: spellingEdited by Cuyler on December 5, 2014 11:54PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
CP 810 18 Maxed Characters:
"How hard can u guar?" - Rafishul[/spoiler]0 -
Nihil✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Yes. But not for a while.
So basically just keep making many level 50's that are ready for the new system and don't waste your time GRINDING or QUESTING for months to gain VR14? xD
No go ahead and do VR14 on your main so you don't have to grind champ points for your alts.
Your alts need to be lvl 50 to gain any CPs you build from your main.
But he's not going to have any CP points if he gets them all to 50 then stops.
I know, I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't see where the OP stated his main's rank, he just says vet....so I'm assuming he's VR1. if that's the case his alts aren't vets yet.
Therefore if he works to VR14 on his main expecting to get CPs for all his characters he will be sorely disappointed. I'm simply clarifying the fact the alts will not receive the CPs as he works towards VR14, not inferring a judement on what is the right or wrong way to max your CPs gains.
OP said he hasn't touched Vet ranks yet. So that leads me to believe he's not VR14 with his main. Any Character above level 50 gets CP points to spend per character meaning his alts would get CP points for the main being VR14. If he doesn't get his main to VR14 he won't have CP for his alts. Make sense?
Your preaching to the choir I'm fully aware of what the CS entails.
My point is that if his plan is to have multiple alts to play the game, and not just be mules or crafters, he may want to consider leveling the alts first before attempting to gather a bunch of CPs for just one character.
Imagine a main, completing VR14. great! you now have all those CPs for that ONE character. You now have to go back and aquire CPs for your alts, essentially wasting time, when you could have been acquiring CPs for all your characters as you leveled your main to VR14.
Edit: clarity
But he will get CP for VR ranks not for 1-50. For all characters. So if he has CP for his main his alts get it also. CP is per account not per character. So his main getting to VR14 does in fact give all his alts CP when they hit 50. So if his Main is VR1 and he gets 7 alts to 50 he will have no CP. Butt if his main is VR14 and his alts are 50 he will have CP for all his characters.
What you are discounting is that if he gets to VR14 with his main and his alts aren't lvl 50, his alts will have no CPs anyways.
But if his main doesn't get past VR1 and his alts are at 50 he still wont have CP
Edit: VR1 not VR14
What makes more sense?
Gaining CPs one character at a time, or
Gaining CPs for every character at once?
It's a waste of time to get all those CPs for one character just to have to go back and do it again for another. make sense?
Ok lets go through this again.
1-50 Does not gain CP
VR1-VR14-Gets CP
CP Is account wide not by character
So getting 1 character to VR14 will in fact give all of his alts CP when they hit 50. They will get 0 CP getting to 50. If main and all alts right now are at 50 no one will have CP.
If main is at VR14 and he has 2 alts at 50 all 3 characters will have CP.
Right now if he stopped at VR1 and leveled other Alts to VR1 he will still have 0 CP because he did not get far enough past VR1 to get any CP at all.
He has to get into vet ranks with 1 character not all of them. Just 1.
What I bolded above is not a fact and is misleading. Low level Alts don't just magically get all the CPs your VR14 worked for when they turn 50
The alts need to be 50 to take advantage of the shared CPs. If they are not 50 while you grind on your main then they will have to acquire them later on their own or while you grind even more of your main when your last actually reach 50.
Actually you unlock champion system when you hit lvl 50 (vr1) and it is account wide, all characters (including your non lvl 50 alts) will have access to the champion system, but won't be able to gain champion points till they hit lvl 50 (thus they will have the exact same amount of champion points as your main).
This is based off of the audio from the guild summit so it is still subject to change and if anyone has newer information then me it would also invalidate this comment.1 -
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✭Well occasionally I put my foot in my mouth and that appears to be the case here, @ers101284b14_ESO I'd like to apologize specifically to you and everyone else paying attention for confusing the situation. I am after all capable of admitting when I'm wrong.
I personally don't agree with the way they set it up which is why I think I had convinced myself otherwise. I feel a character < lvl 50 should have to work a little harder for CPs because they are a new character. The way it's set up all of my alts will be "VR14" so to speak immediately upon launch of the CS. just seems too easy.
Anyways just to clarify things I'm posting a previous post of mine and @Dominoid that correctly summarizes the system.
Edit: I've bolded the part below that pertains to this topic.What is the Champion System?
This new system will be released in phases (four in total). (EDIT) We will be in Phase 2 with the release of update 5, and Phase 4 will be the complete removal of the Veteran Rank system. There will be an overlap between the Veteran Rank system and the Champion System.
When the removal of the Veteran Ranks happen, the max level with be lvl50 and any xp gains past that will be towards champion points. They have implemented a tracking system that is already tracking our progress, so those of us who are Veteran Rank are already earning Champion System Points.
Earning Champion Points
Once you obtain level 50 you’ll be granted access to the Champion System where you’ll be able to obtain Champion Points (2100? total/700 per tree) which you can place into the constellations of your choice.
You’ll earn these points by doing virtually anything in the game that would typically yield XP, killing monsters, questing, PvP, etc. Once you’ve earned enough XP, you'll be granted a Champion Point that you can place. You must follow one simple rule. You have to go around the sky in a clockwise order. What this means is your first point MUST be spent within the Warrior constellation, than your second point into the Thief, and your third point into the Mage.
Each section of the sky (The Warrior, The Thief, and The Mage) has three separate trees within them that you can put points into. For example, if you’re a tank there is a spot in The Mage for added spell resistances. Every section of the sky offers added benefits to every role within the game. So your points won’t ever go into a tree that isn’t providing you some sort of direct benefit.
Each tree has four abilities you can select from, offering you a total of 12 options per constellation (The Warrior, The Mage, and The Thief). As you place points into these trees you’ll unlock added bonuses that are passives and don’t require you to spend points on them, and each tree has four added passives.
Paul Sage mentioned that it would take (approximately) an average time of one hour per champion point.
Account Wide
The Champion System is an account wide system. Once you’ve progressed one character to level 50 the champion system is unlocked for the account. Only level 50 characters will be able to earn points towards additional champion points but characters that are not level 50 can still reap the rewards of it.
For example, if I have a character that is level 50 and has earned 500 champion points, all my characters will have 500 champion points available to them. Each character can spend those points individually, to create a build that is unique to their character. The points are account wide, but the allocation of them is unique to each character.
One thing to keep in mind is no matter how many level 50s you have, you’ll earn champion point experience at the same rate as someone who has only one.
The Champion Experience Points is account wide (but as mentioned only level 50s can earn it) and all the earned experience will go into a large pool that encompasses the whole account. In order to earn an additional champion point the account needs to earn the required experience amount.
Enlightenment
From the moment you log off your level 50 characters and either play a character that is below level 50 or just log off for the night your account will get bestowed with enlightenment. This is a “buff” of sorts that increases the amount of Champion Experience you’ll earn for a short while. To compare this to something that players might be familiar with, it is “Rested Experience”.
This buff is placed on the Champion Experience Pool so it is account wide. It doesn’t matter which level 50 you wish to play, it’ll be earning points for the account just as it would normally, just at a slightly faster rate. This system is to help those that can’t play as often as other players. To keep them on the bell curve of progression instead of leaving them at the wayside.
EDIT: For more depthIf you are interested in some of the details of the Champion System, be sure to listen to the audio recording of the Champion System Portion of the ESO Guild Summit 2014.
The first thing EVERYONE will notice when the Champion System releases is that all of their stat numbers will be multiplied by ten. That means 2,500 health becomes 25,000, or 400 frost resistance will become 4,000. This is to add "granularity" to the system. They want the player to be able to SEE the effects of their choices. So say if someone chooses a passive that increase frost resistance by 1%, it will be easier to see that change. Without the multiplier, some changes wouldn't be shown because of rounding and the player could become discouraged or feel like they wasted a point. This is gonna happen, so we should accept it.
There are three constellation groups in the Champion System one for each resource pool - The Warrior for Health, The Thief for Stamina and The Mage for Magicka.
Each constellation group has 3 sub-constellations accounting for a total of 9 constellations. That breakdown is as follows:- Warrior (health)
- Steed
- Lady
- Lord
- Thief (stamina)
- Tower
- Lover
- Shadow
- Mage (magicka)
- Ritual
- Atronach
- Apprentice
As mentioned, each sub-constellation has 4 passives that can be spec'ed into. In addition to these four passives each, each constellation also has four additional passives that are unlocked and strengthened as more and more points are placed into a constellation.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=aYbl5B8R9-E&t=46m0s
For example, after you place 10 Champion Points total in the Apprentice constellation you automatically unlock and get the benefits of a new passive called Extraction Boost which increases the likelihood to extract better material. Continuing to place Champion Points into the Apprentice will continue to strengthen this new passive automatically. You do not place Champion Points into this "second-tier" of passives. The second-tier is unlocked automatically as you place more Champion Points in a constellation. These second-tier passives are initially unlocked at 10, 30, 50 and 100 points in a constellation.
This brings the total amount of passives per constellation to 8 for each constellation - 4 that you spec into and four that unlock automatically. This means that a total of 72 new passives are being added by the Champion System.
A Champion Point is earned after a still-to-be-determined amount of XP has been received by the player. That Champion Point can then be placed into the Champion System constellations, but there are some rules as to how they get placed.
CHAMPION POINTS ARE PLACED INTO THE CHAMPION SYSTEM ON A HEALTH-STAMINA-MAGICKA ROTATION
Let's dig into that statement a little more. The first Champion Point you earn MUST BE placed into the Warrior (health) constellation group. You can place it into either the Steed, Lady or Lord constellation. You choose. That gives you twelve options - four each. After you make your choice, the Warrior constellations will "rotate" and your next point must then be placed into the Thief (stamina) group. Your next point then obviously gets placed in the Mage (magicka) group. The rotation then continues in this manner in perpetuity.
There are two main reasons for this. First is to frankly slow the player's progression so they can't max any one stat too quickly. The second is to help with player diversification. Take it as you will, but that is how the system will work. This means that if you want to max out 700 points in Light Armor you will need to earn 2100 Champion Points because of the rotation system.
ZOS went out of their way to mention that each constellation group, Warrior-Thief-Mage, has passives that make sense for each play style (holy trinity). So there will be something for Tanks in the Warrior, Thief and Mage constellations. Same for each of the play styles so it's not as restrictive as it seems.
Placing points into the same passive over and over has diminishing returns. What does that mean? The example used was the first point you place into Light Armor may grant you a 1% increase in armor rating, but placing the 40th point into Light Armor might only grant you a 0.1% increase in armor (another reason for increasing all stats ten fold). This mechanic helps to keep players somewhat close in raw numbers but also means that diversifying your Champion Point allocation may yield the best overall results.
There will be a respec mechanism in place when the Champion System releases. It is quite robust and will not require you to click your mouse button 1,000 or more times to perform a respec. There is information on the respec process in the full audio above.
Wanna learn the future? - 12+ Hours of Audio from Guild Summit 2014Edited by Cuyler on December 6, 2014 12:24AMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
CP 810 18 Maxed Characters:
"How hard can u guar?" - Rafishul[/spoiler]0 - Warrior (health)
