The Potion Wheel

Rodario

Let me start off with the following sentiment:

I know it's a hopeless cause to try to convince ZOS to get rid of the wheel and give us hotkeys for consumables instead.

I could make the argument that the current UI was clearly designed for gamepad compatibility and that we're playing the game on PC, not console, so we should get our own, more keyboard friendly UI. (Pertaining to more than just the wheel)

But I think (hope) they know this and made a conscious decision to save money on UI design.

All that being said, the time it takes to select a different potion situationally is ridiculous. Say I have a weapon damage potion selected, but need a healing potion stat, chances are I'll be dead before I have the healing potion selected.

This should not be news to anyone, so let's get to the point:

Does anyone know of a mod that changes the wheel to a hotbar? This would be the first mod I use for ESO, mainly because I dread waiting for updates after every patch, but it is one I truly feel is necessary.

Rodario

This mod would probably require macros and therefore be against the TOS, but on the off chance I'm wrong about that, I had to ask.

The wheel design is probably an extension of the "choose your five skills before the battle" philosophy and we aren't even meant to switch potions mid combat. If this isn't the case, you really need to rethink the wheel @zos, because that's what it feels like.

PBpsy

There are a few at www.esoui.com. Unfortunately they only allow you to chose what can be activated by your q key not automatically activate it.

Rodario

PBpsy wrote: »

There are a few at www.esoui.com. Unfortunately they only allow you to chose what can be activated by your q key not automatically activate it.

That's what I thought, but thanks.

tiamak

I really like the GreymindQuickSlotBar addon. You can choose what to use from the wheel via hotkeys (in my case, f1-f8) and then use it as usual with q. It's just one button more to press than it would be with direct usage via hotkeys.

Enodoc

Rodario wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

There are a few at www.esoui.com. Unfortunately they only allow you to chose what can be activated by your q key not automatically activate it.

That's what I thought, but thanks.

They still avoid using the wheel though. Instead of
Hold Q > Select slot 1-8 > Release Q > Press Q
you have
Press F1-F8 [or your assigned buttons] > Press Q

This is much faster than the wheel and doesn't break the TOS, as it's still one button, one action.

Greymind Quick Slot Bar

MornaBaine

I HAVE to get this add-on! Thanks for the reminder!

Rodario

Enodoc wrote: »

Rodario wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

There are a few at www.esoui.com. Unfortunately they only allow you to chose what can be activated by your q key not automatically activate it.

That's what I thought, but thanks.

They still avoid using the wheel though. Instead of
Hold Q > Select slot 1-8 > Release Q > Press Q
you have
Press F1-F8 [or your assigned buttons] > Press Q

This is much faster than the wheel and doesn't break the TOS, as it's still one button, one action.

Greymind Quick Slot Bar

Yes, it certainly is an improvement, but is it really one button, one action? Selecting a potion from the wheel involves holding Q, selecting a potion and releasing Q. I think that's at least two actions (not counting the release of Q, of course).

Enodoc

Rodario wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Rodario wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

There are a few at www.esoui.com. Unfortunately they only allow you to chose what can be activated by your q key not automatically activate it.

That's what I thought, but thanks.

They still avoid using the wheel though. Instead of
Hold Q > Select slot 1-8 > Release Q > Press Q
you have
Press F1-F8 [or your assigned buttons] > Press Q

This is much faster than the wheel and doesn't break the TOS, as it's still one button, one action.

Greymind Quick Slot Bar

Yes, it certainly is an improvement, but is it really one button, one action? Selecting a potion from the wheel involves holding Q, selecting a potion and releasing Q. I think that's at least two actions (not counting the release of Q, of course).

One button, one action is what believed to be acceptable as a modification (to be a macro, it must be one button press to perform 2+ actions, which is not allowed - eg, one button to both select and then use a potion).
The current state with the potion wheel could be considered two-for-two, as selecting a potion, while a separate action, also uses a separate trigger (that is, moving the mouse; can't really call that a "button press" but it is equivalent).

This add-on reduces two-for-two to one-for-one, which is acceptable. It's combining selection and use into one button that is not.
[What ZOS really need to do is just implement hotkey selection for potions using F1-F8 as part of the standard UI.]

Deheart

I really really wish they would finish the gamepad setup for console early so they can port it to PC like they said they would. It would make things like this alot easier.

*Totally convinced that this game will play way easier on gamepad if you don't have a macro keyboard/mouse*

Wolfshade

Maybe it could even help, if zos would made the wheel useable by turning the mousewheel. In fight its sometimes really difficult to use it, even if the cursor is in an position (maybe if the map was opend the last time) and you don`t exacly know where it stands. Some players even didn`t like to use an addon for every option that via zos didn`t find a way in the game.

kimboh

I was using the Greymind quick slot addon for months but I've recently gone back to using the default UI.
The Greymind addon doesn't really make it any quicker to use items, as you still have to select a slot then press Q to use it.
Eventually I came to the conclusion (personally) that the wheel is more efficient.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

tiamak wrote: »

I really like the GreymindQuickSlotBar addon. You can choose what to use from the wheel via hotkeys (in my case, f1-f8) and then use it as usual with q. It's just one button more to press than it would be with direct usage via hotkeys.

Works great. I use it with 3 different pots and it's perfect for switching them on the fly. My new NB is focused on continuous potion use and I have my tri pot on '2' and my attack pot on '3' and my escape pot on '4', it just works.

I've had a 50 level Alchemist for quite a while and pots are easy for me. To get maximum pot benefit you have to level Alchemy so you can take the Medicinal Use passive for increased potion time, so my new NB will do that. It's amusing that my 'real' Alchemist never took those passives as his purpose is to produce pots for my army, not use em'.

DenverRalphy

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

tiamak wrote: »

I really like the GreymindQuickSlotBar addon. You can choose what to use from the wheel via hotkeys (in my case, f1-f8) and then use it as usual with q. It's just one button more to press than it would be with direct usage via hotkeys.

Works great. I use it with 3 different pots and it's perfect for switching them on the fly. My new NB is focused on continuous potion use and I have my tri pot on '2' and my attack pot on '3' and my escape pot on '4', it just works.

I've had a 50 level Alchemist for quite a while and pots are easy for me. To get maximum pot benefit you have to level Alchemy so you can take the Medicinal Use passive for increased potion time, so my new NB will do that. It's amusing that my 'real' Alchemist never took those passives as his purpose is to produce pots for my army, not use em'.

My setup is similar with Greymind's Quickslot Bar. F1-F3 for my 3 pots (chars don't need more than 3 if you use Tri-Pots). This keeps my pots closest to the Q button. Then F4-F8 are trinkets and pets. And the addon's own hotbar keeps me informed at all times which slot is selected.

Ashtaris

I use Greyminds Quickslot Bar all the time. I have a keyboard that allows you to assign a keystroke Macro. So instead of just doing a number 6, it does a 6 and a "Q" keystroke at the same time. So now Greymind allows you to map any key to a particular slot. So for a health pot, I have it set so that all I have to do is hit 6, it automatically selects the pot, and then does the "Q" to drink the potion. One keystroke does all. The 7 key selects a Weapon power pot and drinks the potion, etc.

Enodoc

Ashtaris wrote: »

I use Greyminds Quickslot Bar all the time. I have a keyboard that allows you to assign a keystroke Macro. So instead of just doing a number 6, it does a 6 and a "Q" keystroke at the same time. So now Greymind allows you to map any key to a particular slot. So for a health pot, I have it set so that all I have to do is hit 6, it automatically selects the pot, and then does the "Q" to drink the potion. One keystroke does all. The 7 key selects a Weapon power pot and drinks the potion, etc.

Now that is the exact thing that I was referring to which goes into dangerous territory in terms of ZOS' TOS.

Rodario

Enodoc wrote: »

Ashtaris wrote: »

I use Greyminds Quickslot Bar all the time. I have a keyboard that allows you to assign a keystroke Macro. So instead of just doing a number 6, it does a 6 and a "Q" keystroke at the same time. So now Greymind allows you to map any key to a particular slot. So for a health pot, I have it set so that all I have to do is hit 6, it automatically selects the pot, and then does the "Q" to drink the potion. One keystroke does all. The 7 key selects a Weapon power pot and drinks the potion, etc.

Now that is the exact thing that I was referring to which goes into dangerous territory in terms of ZOS' TOS.

Yeah, I wouldn't advertise that.

Ourorboros

Greyminds Quickslot Bar is no secret. This is not the first thread complaining about Quickslots and Q wheel and had Greymind mentioned as a solution (try using the search feature). If ZOS had a problem with Greyminds Quickslot Bar, they've had time to take action. They are quick enough to comment or close threads that violate TOS, and nothing has been done. While that's not proof Greymind is okay, it's pretty good circumstantial evidence.

Ysne58

I also recommend resetting the quickslot key to some other key (F2) in my case, so you don't keep accidentally using the potions and find out that you are out at the worst possible moment. I love Greymind's addon too.

Rune_Relic

Rodario wrote: »

Let me start off with the following sentiment:

I know it's a hopeless cause to try to convince ZOS to get rid of the wheel and give us hotkeys for consumables instead.

I could make the argument that the current UI was clearly designed for gamepad compatibility and that we're playing the game on PC, not console, so we should get our own, more keyboard friedly UI. (Pertaining to more than just the wheel)

But I think (hope) they know this and made a concious decision to save money on UI design.

All that being said, the time it takes to select a different potion situationally is ridiculous. Say I have a weapon damage potion selected, but need a healing potion stat, chances are I'll be dead before I have the healing potion selected.

This should not be news to anyone, so let's get to the point:

Does anyone know of a mod that changes the wheel to a hotbar? This would be the first mod I use for ESO, mainly because I dread waiting for updates after every patch, but it is one I truly feel is necessary.

I will be devoting a new thread to this fine topic.
Hopefully the suggestion will fix a few problems.

Enodoc

Ourorboros wrote: »

Greyminds Quickslot Bar is no secret. This is not the first thread complaining about Quickslots and Q wheel and had Greymind mentioned as a solution (try using the search feature). If ZOS had a problem with Greyminds Quickslot Bar, they've had time to take action. They are quick enough to comment or close threads that violate TOS, and nothing has been done. While that's not proof Greymind is okay, it's pretty good circumstantial evidence.

We're not saying there's anything wrong with using Greymind Quickslot Bar to simply select a quickslot and then use that selection with Q. What we're saying is that the selection of a quickslot shouldn't be macroed together with Q so that you can select and use a potion with one press. That's the dubious usage - the macro, not the add-on.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

My usagesage of Greymind:

My keys are 2,3 and 4.

Hit 3, queue attack potion, hit Q and then 2 to set up Healing pot, attack. After having to use a Health tri pot, hit 4 to queue escape pot, if it looks bad, leave it if we are doing OK.

nine9six

Love this game. Hate having to "add features" to it. C'est la vie...

Use Greymind also.

Deheart

Thats one problem I see for upincomming console users, no addons. Unless they port the Minion addon downloader, but I still see it a problem considering how *** Sony and Microsoft are about 3rd party software.

Zed

I've been perfectly fine with using the Q button but this Greymind add on looks pretty nice. I'll have to give it a try.

AoEnwyr

I would like to see the Q wheel improved for the simple fact that as it can be cumbersome, people mostly only slot their prefered potion and don't bother much with swapping about. As a Master Alchemist I'd like more variety in my work beyond churning out the standard three tier Health/Magicka/Stamina potions.

Grunim

Greymind's Quickslot Bar helps me tremendously in PvP where I use it to quickly switch between various siege engines types such as trebuchets, ballistae, wall repair kits, and back to my combat potions.

I would probably freak out if I couldn't use this add-on anymore.

Epona222

I don't think I used a potion in game until I found Greymind's Quickslot Bar - which is awesome btw, and everyone should use it, if everyone should have just 1 addon, it should be that one.

But whoever came up with the way of using potions by default in ESO needs to be given a very stern talking to, it's utterly horrible.

zaria

Ourorboros wrote: »

Greyminds Quickslot Bar is no secret. This is not the first thread complaining about Quickslots and Q wheel and had Greymind mentioned as a solution (try using the search feature). If ZOS had a problem with Greyminds Quickslot Bar, they've had time to take action. They are quick enough to comment or close threads that violate TOS, and nothing has been done. While that's not proof Greymind is okay, it's pretty good circumstantial evidence.

The quickslot bar is not a problem, macros who press say F3+Q is not legal however extremely unlikely to get you into problems unless you use a program for it who is also used for bots, or run other macros who do stuff you can not pull off manual. Map F2 as secondary for Q and put potions on F1,F3 and F4 and you can switch and use just as fast.

zaria

Epona222 wrote: »

I don't think I used a potion in game until I found Greymind's Quickslot Bar - which is awesome btw, and everyone should use it, if everyone should have just 1 addon, it should be that one.

But whoever came up with the way of using potions by default in ESO needs to be given a very stern talking to, it's utterly horrible.

Yes also the ability to see that is slotted is a great help.
So fun trying to drink an potion and you stop up to put up an catapult.

Epona222

zaria wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

I don't think I used a potion in game until I found Greymind's Quickslot Bar - which is awesome btw, and everyone should use it, if everyone should have just 1 addon, it should be that one.

But whoever came up with the way of using potions by default in ESO needs to be given a very stern talking to, it's utterly horrible.

Yes also the ability to see that is slotted is a great help.
So fun trying to drink an potion and you stop up to put up an catapult.

Definitely, before I started using Greymind's addon, I didn't know wth I had slotted, there was no way to tell before I went to use it. Now it all sits in a little bar on the bottom left of my screen, I can switch between items using a key defined in the keybinds menu, and if I end up using the wrong one now it is entirely my own fault! (But I have so much more control over it now, and can see what I am doing).