Remove @Name from store listings

timidobserver

I don't really see an appropriate section for this, so I decided to post it in general. I'd like the option to post items to my guild store privately, or without my @name attached to it. I get tired of hearing from people making offers or people that think my prices are too low or too high.

This could completely just be me, so I decided to attach a poll. Anyone else agree with wanting the option to remove your name from guild store postings?

The entire reason that I list stuff in the guild store is because I don't like negotiating and spending 10-15 minutes to figure out what price is acceptable. I list stuff for the gold I want and do not want tells about it.

k9mouse

No

Sometimes I will send a tell to the seller and if he / she will take an item(s) or a service instead of gold for the product or combo of gold / item / service. There is more one way to pay for their merchandise.

timidobserver

Yes

k9mouse wrote: »

Sometimes I will send a tell to the seller and if he / she will take an item(s) or a service instead of gold for the product or combo of gold / item / service. There is more one way to pay for their merchandise.

If a person is advertising in chat, they may want to talk about it. Generally if it is posted on the store they want you to click buy or move along.

Sneak_Thief

No

Personally I like to know who I am supporting, if there are many of the same thing, I like to know who I am buying from. If I see a friend or guildie I know in other stores I try to buy from them or I keep getting great deals I'll remember their name and perhaps even mail them to see if they have more in stock. On the contrary there are some people I don't like and I don't wish to support people on my ignore list or others I have had bad experiences with or scammers, ect. There is alot more value to have our names beside what we sell. Lets say some moron puts up worms for 50k, and a guild member can tell them "hey you make us look bad, take it down."

When you remove names then it all becomes anonymous, and therefore no reputation is earned, whether it be good or bad. It helps stop people from posting ridiculous prices and they think "no one will know its me".. and it keeps us more in check since we do stand by the prices we post.

Sneak_Thief

No

k9mouse wrote: »

Sometimes I will send a tell to the seller and if he / she will take an item(s) or a service instead of gold for the product or combo of gold / item / service. There is more one way to pay for their merchandise.

I like to barter in this manner and a listed price is a suggestion until you pay for it. Anything in a store is a historical price and by contacting them you will get a price as it stands that hour.

timidobserver

Yes

Sneak_Thief wrote: »

Personally I like to know who I am supporting, if there are many of the same thing, I like to know who I am buying from. If I see a friend or guildie I know in other stores I try to buy from them or I keep getting great deals I'll remember their name and perhaps even mail them to see if they have more in stock. On the contrary there are some people I don't like and I don't wish to support people on my ignore list or others I have had bad experiences with or scammers, ect. There is alot more value to have our names beside what we sell. Lets say some moron puts up worms for 50k, and a guild member can tell them "hey you make us look bad, take it down."

When you remove names then it all becomes anonymous, and therefore no reputation is earned, whether it be good or bad. It helps stop people from posting ridiculous prices and they think "no one will know its me".. and it keeps us more in check since we do stand by the prices we post.

I am so confused by this. I can understand it when dealing with people directly and especially when using COD. Most people that have played this game since launch have had a COD mishap at one time or another. However, there is no reputation needed with the guild store since if you click buy you are going to get what you bought at the price that is listed there.

As far as a moron putting worms up for 50k, to my knowledge there is no limit to listings, so it doesn't matter what people list stuff for. You pick the best price and move on.

In my mind the only people that would need this sort of thing is guild sellers using a guild store to launder gold.

Divad Zarn

No

I'm against it actually. Me, as guildmaster, controlling guild store prices and how much it's possible keeping them at low/good prices to keep up our good reputation around, members who just overpricing things for long enough in guild store get kicked very soon. Maybe its just me, but well i need that, another thing is thats i'm not against optional choose of this function, even if i dont imagine how zos will do it.

timidobserver

Yes

Divad Zarn wrote: »

I'm against it actually. Me, as guildmaster, controlling guild store prices and how much it's possible keeping them at low/good prices to keep up our good reputation around, members who just overpricing things for long enough in guild store get kicked very soon. Maybe its just me, but well i need that, another thing is thats i'm not against optional choose of this function, even if i dont imagine how zos will do it.

I could go for the guild leader seeing it. It would be awesome if buyers couldn't though.

Still_Mind

timidobserver wrote: »

Divad Zarn wrote: »

I'm against it actually. Me, as guildmaster, controlling guild store prices and how much it's possible keeping them at low/good prices to keep up our good reputation around, members who just overpricing things for long enough in guild store get kicked very soon. Maybe its just me, but well i need that, another thing is thats i'm not against optional choose of this function, even if i dont imagine how zos will do it.

I could go for the guild leader seeing it. It would be awesome if buyers couldn't though.

If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to hide

On a more serious note, I think: A ) names should always be available to the guild master, and B ) an option for an anonymous sale would not be bad.

NukeAllTheThings

No

There is no reason to remove names from listings. I have sold millions in guild stores and I have never received a tell complaining or negotiating. Sounds like the problem isn't the system.

Kartalin

Still_Mind wrote: »

B ) an option for an anonymous sale would not be bad.

An additional fee to be anonymous, perhaps? 1%? I'm sure ZOS is interested in finding another way of charging players gold...

timidobserver

Yes

Still_Mind wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Divad Zarn wrote: »

I'm against it actually. Me, as guildmaster, controlling guild store prices and how much it's possible keeping them at low/good prices to keep up our good reputation around, members who just overpricing things for long enough in guild store get kicked very soon. Maybe its just me, but well i need that, another thing is thats i'm not against optional choose of this function, even if i dont imagine how zos will do it.

I could go for the guild leader seeing it. It would be awesome if buyers couldn't though.

If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to hide

On a more serious note, I think: A ) names should always be available to the guild master, and B ) an option for an anonymous sale would not be bad.

Sometimes you have got to read. It has nothing to do with hiding anything. It is all about avoiding harassment and unwanted offers and upset people that got undercut. The whole point of posting on a guild store is to avoid haggling and negotiations.

milthalas wrote: »

Still_Mind wrote: »

B ) an option for an anonymous sale would not be bad.

An additional fee to be anonymous, perhaps? 1%? I'm sure ZOS is interested in finding another way of charging players gold...

I would totally pay that.

3rdwardhobocub18_ESO wrote: »

There is no reason to remove names from listings. I have sold millions in guild stores and I have never received a tell complaining or negotiating. Sounds like the problem isn't the system.

So receiving a mail asking if I would be okay with accepting less than 1/2 of the average price that an item sells for means that problem is me not the system?

Still_Mind

milthalas wrote: »

Still_Mind wrote: »

B ) an option for an anonymous sale would not be bad.

An additional fee to be anonymous, perhaps? 1%? I'm sure ZOS is interested in finding another way of charging players gold...

Yeah, not a bad idea

Blud

I didn't vote, but do people really send you tells about your prices on auction? Seriously?

That's weird, if you ask me. It's kind of like stalking. I think I would put that kind of person on /ignore, to be honest.

Vizier

No

No. There is no need for anonymity in selling. If someone is cornering a market we should see it. If I see a listing that's been up awhile, I want the item but it's too high a price it allows for me to barter it down and possibly move stock for the seller that otherwise takes up a space.

Shrug...leave it. A few 'whispers" in game isn't a big deal IMO.

Rylana

Yes

I agree. Also remove @handles from guild rosters and use whatever character name we are logged in on as the display.

I spend a good deal of my time appearing offline now, for reasons similar to OP, not always trade related, but because of constantly being bugged by people that found my name on some list.

xTG

Yes

Yes to add it as an option.
But for me the guildmaster must see the name even if he's not the seller.

Slurg

No

There are more reasons to display the seller than not to.

The one time I got harassed about store sales I put the person on my ignore list and decided to never buy anything that person was selling. Need to know the seller to do that. When people undercut me by 1 gold I don't harass them but I make a point never to buy anything they're selling. There are also people I don't like for other reasons and don't wish to buy materials from, and others I like and do want to support. Can't do any of that if I don't know the seller.

Gythral

No

If you don't want to talk to someone there's always the /ignore

AlnilamE

I'm not sure.

Oddly enough, while I have 4 guild stores (2 in busy trading guilds that have public vendors) and keep them stocked at 30 items as best I can, I have never been contacted by someone questioning my prices.

As others have said, particularly if you frequent a smaller guild vendor, you start to recognize the names. And that's how you get repeat customers.

I also think that having the names up is useful for crafters because if they can put up a "sample" piece of the Eyes of Mara set, for example, or a V10-15 Legendary glyph, people will know they can craft pretty much anything and can contact them for customized orders.

If I went to a guild store that had some items with names listed and some without, I'm not sure whether or not I would favour folks listing their names.

AlnilamE

Rylana wrote: »

I agree. Also remove @handles from guild rosters and use whatever character name we are logged in on as the display.

I spend a good deal of my time appearing offline now, for reasons similar to OP, not always trade related, but because of constantly being bugged by people that found my name on some list.

Can't you set yourself to Busy?

I really don't think this would work. I have 4 characters that I play regularly, and I have friends who also have several alts. Can you imagine the confusion for a new guild member?

And while I understand why you would want to hide your @name if you are in a big trading guild, that would also be confusing. If I'm on my main and someone asks about potions and I say "sure, let me switch to my alt" and then I have to come on with my alt and identify myself all over again.

In a guild, your relationship is with other players, not with other toons, so @names make sense.

TehMagnus

No

/ignore <= problem solver.

diabeticDemon18

Yes

k9mouse wrote: »

Sometimes I will send a tell to the seller and if he / she will take an item(s) or a service instead of gold for the product or combo of gold / item / service. There is more one way to pay for their merchandise.

That's what the OP was saying he doesn't want people to do... plus it's an option, so he wants you to have the option to not deal with negotiating and just sell stuff. People who are open to negotiation would still be allowed to leave their name in the store. It'd be a simple check box saying "post-anonymously" and that's all

eventide03b14a_ESO

No

I have never had this problem. Maybe install an addon that tells you what it's being sold for in your guilds. Price Tracker is a good one that I use.

Nestor

No

I have to wonder just how the OP is pricing things if he is getting harassed by people browsing the guild store. Or , is it that he is being harassed by the other people in the trading guild?

I think that is more the real issue than the customer's knowing who is selling the item. I for one have never felt the need to ping someone that is priced high on an item, I just don't buy it. Why waste my time with that? I can find the item in another guild store faster than waiting for a response from someone when I don't' know if they are online or not. In fact, if he is getting Tells on this, the only way that could happen is from a Guildmate looking at the Roster, not a customer. Customer's have no way of knowing if someone is on line unless they are in the same guild or are friends with them. I have never had a customer reach out to me on an item that I have listed.

So if the OP were to join another trading guild that is not all up in everyone's business, then perhaps his problems would go away.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

No

I LIKE the fact that the names are on the items. I tell my guildies that the prices are negotiable. I also try to price things at the going rate. When I see something that is vastly overpriced, I laugh as I know that I can undercut them and be counting the gold when their items expire AND I know not to do business with that person.

So, if you are overpriced, you get what you deserve... Don't want the whispers, then don't overpriced. This is not RL, you know. It's a game. Having a million in game gold won't buy you a cup of coffee.

Rosveen

No

I was contacted today by a person who bought my items from the guildstore and wanted to place a large order for consumables. I wasn't able to make all they needed, but I did it partially and got 30k out of this transaction.

A while ago I messaged someone selling nirnhoned items to see if they could craft me other pieces of armor for research. They agreed. If they were annoyed by my mail, they never let it show.

So no, I want to keep names in guildstores, they can be very useful. However, I wouldn't be against an option for the seller to remain anonymous if they wish to.

k9mouse

No

My goal is not lower the price that was stated in the guild store for the item. For example, An item is selling for 20K and I have 15K in gold. I might send the seller a mail and asking if (s)he will take 15K and 2 yellow matts (3K - ish each) instead of gold. I am paying the full price, but not all in gold.

Sometimes, I might pay for an overpriced (if it is not to overpriced) item if it completes a set that I am working on. Sometimes I rather have an item "now" instead of "wasting" my time trying to find it cheaper.

Beesting

No

3rdwardhobocub18_ESO wrote: »

There is no reason to remove names from listings. I have sold millions in guild stores and I have never received a tell complaining or negotiating. Sounds like the problem isn't the system.

I have sold over 2000 items in the guilstores and never received a negotiating email.
I did get a few threatenings tells though, by people that felt i was taking their business, but we discussed it and it was resolved quickly.
By removing the names i would miss a huge social aspect of the game, i like it when i run into people who's name i recognize from specific items.

xaraan

No

Weird. I'm in one of the major trader guilds with a huge guild store and kiosk and have never had someone contact me to negotiate or complain about my prices being too high/low. I price my stuff to move as well, and never had anyone give me issues with it -- if they did I'd tell them to kick rocks anyhow (and you can report them if they harass you if you wish).

timidobserver

Yes

k9mouse wrote: »

My goal is not lower the price that was stated in the guild store for the item. For example, An item is selling for 20K and I have 15K in gold. I might send the seller a mail and asking if (s)he will take 15K and 2 yellow matts (3K - ish each) instead of gold. I am paying the full price, but not all in gold.

Sometimes, I might pay for an overpriced (if it is not to overpriced) item if it completes a set that I am working on. Sometimes I rather have an item "now" instead of "wasting" my time trying to find it cheaper.

I find it hilarious the amount of people claiming that receiving tells is not a concern just because they haven't received one when there is a page full of people like you readily admitting to doing it.

Honestly, I can understand you wanting to negotiate and get a better deal, but honestly, I think that is for zone chat WTS transactions. If I post something to a guild store, I don't want any feedback or offers. It would be awesome if I had the option to remove my contact information. People that want the option should definitely be able to leave their up.

It's not like a major "I am going to quit the game" big deal. It's more of an "that would be nice" sort of thing.

Blud wrote: »

I didn't vote, but do people really send you tells about your prices on auction? Seriously?

That's weird, if you ask me. It's kind of like stalking. I think I would put that kind of person on /ignore, to be honest.

My goal in the ESO economy is to make more gold than most people with less effort. Reporting people, negotiating, ignoring them, and all of that is more effort than I want to even be bothered with. I'd like to be able to just disable the problem.