Another 1.5.x. XP gain - thingy

Mumyo

THIS IS A JOKE
I don't want to spend around a year to get to v14.

When patch came out i was v1 at 0% because i stopped leveling as soon as i reached v1.

I played the whole week and finally arrived at 35%.
So 1 week grants me 35%. So it might take around 3 weeks to gain v2.
Lets keep up that speed which i cant actually hold because i have to study for my examines the same time, we need 3weeks*13 for me to go = 39 weeks (+-) .
Almost A YEAR to get VR14. Maybe i can gain a bit more ep in the other vet zones but im not sure about that.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/138980/clarification-regarding-experience-gain-within-veteran-ranks/p1

Well here they say 1 veteran level takes around 15 hours. Even that is way too long.

I simply don't want to play a game that can be called "The great leveling".

I started this for PvP and nothing else and that is simply not much fun with v1.
You are about to lose some more customers, u did a great job on that btw.

andreasv

Shouldn't your priorities be set on your studies, not on how fast you level in a video game?

Kaynehusky

andreasv wrote: »

Shouldn't your priorities be set on your studies, not on how fast you level in a video game?

What he said. Also, there's no point complaining over it, they have it in their known issue thread and are going to apply a hotfix to it this coming patch, and if you KNEW the XP was going to suck for leveling veteran still, WHY did you start leveling your vet character? This is something I don't get from most people complaining about it. If vet XP sucks right now, use your head and play a NON VET CHARACTER. Seriously.

Mumyo

andreasv wrote: »

Shouldn't your priorities be set on your studies, not on how fast you level in a video game?

Oh yeah I also don't eat anymore since i study.

andreasv

Kaynehusky wrote: »

If vet XP sucks right now, use your head and play a NON VET CHARACTER. Seriously.

Clearly the brain stopped working. After all he also stopped eating since he started studying. Let's hope it's his first semester only.

Mumyo

Kaynehusky wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

Shouldn't your priorities be set on your studies, not on how fast you level in a video game?

What he said. Also, there's no point complaining over it, they have it in their known issue thread and are going to apply a hotfix to it this coming patch, and if you KNEW the XP was going to suck for leveling veteran still, WHY did you start leveling your vet character? This is something I don't get from most people complaining about it. If vet XP sucks right now, use your head and play a NON VET CHARACTER. Seriously.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/138980/clarification-regarding-experience-gain-within-veteran-ranks/p1

There is written that there will only be a slight improvement due to some issues with mobs which are under ur lvl and there will be no singificant changes.

And yeah. I really love leveling chars without any sence. Lets level chars up to 50 forever. ARE YOU SERIOUS?
REALLY? ARE YOU SERIOUS?
I can't believe u just wrote that.
OMG im gonna make another character and level it up to 50 and then i'll exactly do the same again. HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO STUPID???

I wanna play with my friends. Some of them are V14 and others aren't and i don't want to be stuck under veteran ranks on an empty non vet server .

Mumyo

Due to the fact you can't find it on the link i gave you. Its at the top.

"We’d like to offer some clarifications about the recent conversion of experience gain to replace Veteran Points. We’ve read your concerns about whether or not it’s worthwhile to continue playing your Veteran characters. The short answer is yes. It is still worth it to continue playing your Veteran characters. You will have no significant experience loss due to the identified issues, and you won’t be wasting your time."

Lhorion

@andreasv
If you study there is no reason for having no freetime. In this freetime you can play a videogame. And if you play a videogame (in our case ESO) you can complain about bad mistakes done by the VP/XP-changes.

@Kaynehusky‌
Some people want to pvp or pve on a high level. They want to be good. They want to be successful. You cannot do pvp successful if you are Vet 1. So you have to level up to V14.
Zenimax wanted to make leveling a veteran rank faster (yes, a VETERAN RANK). After this holy patch that should do this you could not level a veteranrank if you did not want to spend 2-3 weeks for one rank.
But your question was why he does not level a non veteran char..... In my opinion this is a very stupid question, but if you really don't know the answer:

He is leveling a vet char because he wants to play the endcontent.

starkerealm

Mumyo wrote: »

OMG im gonna make another character and level it up to 50 and then i'll exactly do the same again. HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO STUPID???

It's... a gift?

Kaynehusky

Lhorion wrote: »

He is leveling a vet char because he wants to play the endcontent.

I understand that, but why would you knowingly level a character when you know you're getting less experience, and that you can't go back and redo the things you did to level? I HAVE a vet character, and I don't want to waste the untapped experience, so I'm using this time to level a tank, instead of playing my vet2 Templar healer.

andreasv

Lhorion wrote: »

@andreasv
If you study there is no reason for having no freetime. In this freetime you can play a videogame. And if you play a videogame (in our case ESO) you can complain about bad mistakes done by the VP/XP-changes.

I don't mind complaining, I've done that enough this week about the same issue. I think it's stupid to complain and argue he also has to prepare for exams. If you're really serious with your studies and preparing for exams you should allocate all your time (including spare time) for your preparation. After examination period you can go back to video games (or complaining).

Lhorion

Complaining about problems in a game does NOT mean that you have no reallife and no time for exams. If he is working 10 hours per day for his exams and he is sleeping 12 hours per day... There are 2 hours left he can complaining

starkerealm

Mumyo wrote: »

I wanna play with my friends. Some of them are V14 and others aren't and i don't want to be stuck under veteran ranks on an empty non vet server.

Wait... where is this "empty, non-vet server?" I know the non-vet Cyrodil campaign is a ghost town, but that's an exception to the rule. Normal non-vet content is freakin' swarmed. It's the vet level content (outside of Craglorn) that's desolate.

lordspyder

Why does every one miss the part where they said there was an issue with quest XP too?

Averya_Teira

lordspyder wrote: »

Why does every one miss the part where they said there was an issue with quest XP too?

You didn't read the lastest info Gina Bruno wrote about that right ? She said only long quest chains have XP capping (the long quests that require multiple steps). NOTHING ELSE has an XP problem for ZOS right now, don't expect a miracle from 1.5.3...

Get your info before posting stuff.

Also, people did the math, we level A LOT slower than before overall. Do you REALLY think they will ''fix'' quest XP so they give ten times more XP LOOOOL ?

lordspyder

As reported earlier this week, we have identified a couple issues surrounding experience gain:
Monsters that are well below your level give slightly less experience than intended. This will be fixed in our next incremental patch.
The experience that you receive at the conclusion of a particularly difficult quest can reach a limit, and thus gets capped off. While the cap is there intentionally, it was set to level 50 values rather than VR values. This is being adjusted.

I say again how do so many people miss that quests are bugged too?

Ysne58

How could they not have known before hand that exp gain would be slowed down?

tengri

lordspyder wrote: »

I say again how do so many people miss that quests are bugged too?

Because this is the case only for a few quests.
And the vast majority of quests are not that difficult... I firmly believe not even all of Cadwell's are difficult enough to qualify.

My best guess: 2 maybe 3 quests max per zone are affected.
All who now believe/hope that after the next patch quest XP gain will be back to "sane" levels are delusional - there is no other way to say it.

It's over, there are no more shortcuts to gain VR levels at a decent speed.
And because now even a full completion of a zone does not give nearly enough for a full level the only way to go is to "grind" the daily undaunted quests for a long time...
This greatly benefits the casual players (maybe an hour or two per day on average) and stops the "power-gamers" dead in their tracks because even if you want to quest more you can not get more than those two daily quests.
Which in turn is a good thing - for Z's coffers because the more dailies you need to finish a level the longer you need to keep paying your subscription...

lordspyder

Maybe, but in the old VR content only 2-3 quests per zone were 80% of the veteran rank, so I fail to see the issue...

gurluasb16_ESO

lordspyder wrote: »

Maybe, but in the old VR content only 2-3 quests per zone were 80% of the veteran rank, so I fail to see the issue...

Are you kidding me? an entire VR zone hardly got you a level, it usually left you with a quarter level.

Either way, I did all quests and I am stuck at VR 10, almost 11.
What do I do now? They nerfed all the grinds.

zaria

lordspyder wrote: »

As reported earlier this week, we have identified a couple issues surrounding experience gain:
Monsters that are well below your level give slightly less experience than intended. This will be fixed in our next incremental patch.
The experience that you receive at the conclusion of a particularly difficult quest can reach a limit, and thus gets capped off. While the cap is there intentionally, it was set to level 50 values rather than VR values. This is being adjusted.

I say again how do so many people miss that quests are bugged too?

Well, as VR14 I feel like all quests give a lot less xp than before.
Another issue is first time doing dungeons, bosses and other stuff who tend to give lots of xp.

On the other hand xp requirements for going from vr13 to 14 has been reduced from 5.5 to 1.44 millions.
But this don't help people at the start of veteran much.

chipputer

3 weeks, eh?

That's funny because I've gone up 2 ranks in a week of playing, even with these reduced xp gains.

Let me guess... you're... running around in Coldharbour?

Adhal

chipputer wrote: »

3 weeks, eh?

That's funny because I've gone up 2 ranks in a week of playing, even with these reduced xp gains.

Let me guess... you're... running around in Coldharbour?

I cleared stormhaven and rivenspire and got 70% of a vr level, pre patch I would have got 2.5 vr levels

abigfishy

tengri wrote: »

lordspyder wrote: »

I say again how do so many people miss that quests are bugged too?

My best guess: 2 maybe 3 quests max per zone are affected.
All who now believe/hope that after the next patch quest XP gain will be back to "sane" levels are delusional - there is no other way to say it.

I really hope you are wrong. So many people said that of all the problems with the game the slow grind up vet levels was the worst bit and now that will really take longer? 10 times longer than what was already pathetically slow. Really? There is no way they could make such a stupid blunder I have faith.

tengri

Your words in the devil's Z's ears...

I have faith that Z know exactly what they are doing:
binding ppl to their subscriptions by only offering one way (grind the few dailies for a long time which means even longer subscriptions) to level up now.

And of course there is the "other" way: running in circles grinding the same overland mobs for hours and hours for poor gain rates.
Takes a lot (extremely boring) time, too, unless you really can play 10 hours or so daily - approved by Z, too, because you still need to subscribe for long time.

Patch 1.5 is what it is... a subscription money grabbing attempt by dragging out level gains as much as possible.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

andreasv wrote: »

Shouldn't your priorities be set on your studies, not on how fast you level in a video game?

well they officially said they were reducing the time it took, and then after the "fix "it takes 10x longer. no need to be a jerk about it, there was a mistake made.

G0ku

Here is a hot tip how to level your toon faster, took me just a few hours to level from VR10 to VR14 - I wanted to keep this secret until I got VR14 so I can grind without leechers.

Works best with pulsar (destruction staff) and a good AEO ult like standard, vamp ult, etc:

Craglorn Spellscar - pull 3 or more (we managed to pull 5 groups in the area of lightning atronarchs) groups of mobs and bomb them away. Each group gives you about 3k exp. The big atronarchs (there are 3 areas surrounding spellscar with fire , lightning and frost atronarchs) grant you 992 exp per piece if you are in a group as 2. If you do it single you get 902 exp each if you are with 3 people it grants you 872 exp. The little mobs give 472 exp each.

We managed to get 300k - 500k exp per hour there.

Mumyo

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

Shouldn't your priorities be set on your studies, not on how fast you level in a video game?

well they officially said they were reducing the time it took, and then after the "fix "it takes 10x longer. no need to be a jerk about it, there was a mistake made.

Seriously Zenimax employers cant handle a simple calculator.
Everybody says it takes way longer and it does! I actually don't want to level anymore. It takes way too long. I really loved the game but this is too much on my back. When i read that the issues are very small and there will almost be no impact and i should keep leveling due to there is no difference, a world collapsed. The whole forum is angry about that change and that @ZOS_GinaBruno thing says it takes less time now.

Even that was the case they should increase the amount of xp gain like 10 times.
Leveling here after 50 makes people want to quit the game, they simply don't see an end. Usually with 50 u think u finally made it and then u just find out that u just made it to a third. Back in the beginning half of my friendlist quitted in the veteran ranks because they were tired of it. Zenimax should do some analytics here.

jeevin

tengri wrote: »

Your words in the devil's Z's ears...

I have faith that Z know exactly what they are doing:
binding ppl to their subscriptions by only offering one way (grind the few dailies for a long time which means even longer subscriptions) to level up now.

And of course there is the "other" way: running in circles grinding the same overland mobs for hours and hours for poor gain rates.
Takes a lot (extremely boring) time, too, unless you really can play 10 hours or so daily - approved by Z, too, because you still need to subscribe for long time.

Patch 1.5 is what it is... a subscription money grabbing attempt by dragging out level gains as much as possible.

Pretty much sums it up. I'm not sure if this design is endorsed by Zenimax senior but it's a real low point for the franchise.

G0ku

Craglorn - Spellscar

Tankqull

well the problem is they equalized the XP needed per lvl, they than reduced in a flatmove the XP per (what ever) but forgot to equalize the xp you gain per action as they did to the xp needed leeading to a severe disparity in xp needed and xp gained (on lower lvl brackets).
as i´m unsure you get wat i mean a small picture


another problem is skill xp. due to the changes as a v14 it is nearly impossible now to lvl skills you have neglected while lvling as mobs in cadwell silver and gold do only give 1 xp up to mob lvl of VR 9(Vr10 mobs give a whoping 124xp), the former skill lvl eldorado coldharbor(prior to 1.5 300xp/mob) has been anihilated by 1.5 (no xp, poor drops) the only left option is craglor wich is nearly impossible to use for lvling skills as you need(class depending) an optimised build so you dont have many slots left to be used for lvling skill(line)s.