Does AD NOT want PVP to happen on Haderus?

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

I'm immensely confused. AD always complains that nothing happens. So we try to take something then a dozen people show up and wipe us. ATM our usual raid group is somewhat fractured and some of them fled to TB under the mistaken impression more action could be found there, but all I heard was complaints about how terrible lag was. Not only that but thanks to overwhelming levels of frustration caused by members of opposing groups, the usual raid leadership decided to up and bail for what I think are ridiculous reasons.

I tried tagging along on TB with a noob alt and it was fun up until there was the 300 person lag where you could spend 5 minutes not being able to do anything but light attacks. How is that in the least bit appealing? EP needs to grow a pair and actually get in and do something on Had, and AD needs to stop being shrieking whining babies when it comes to EITHER DC or EP doing something.

You do not get a buff server.

There should BE no buff servers.

You want lag-free pvp PLAY on a lag-free server.

Unless things settle down with EP leadership and AD babies, I'll happily NOT pvp so you spoiled brats don't get a scrap of points. Have fun running scout quests.

Rylana

Ive mostly ignored haderus for the last week or so. Still trying to decide whether I want to home Chillrend or Thorn, leaning Chillrend actually.

At most id bring the EP toon back over to Haderus, I doubt ill play AD there ever again, PvP was only interesting for about a week last month.

Ezareth

My subscription expires in a few hours so don't expect to see me defending anything on Haderus in the near term. The one day I tried PvPing there in 1.5 pretty much put the nail in the coffin for the campaign for me.

I can talk my head off on these forums with all of the sound logic and reasoning in the world but dollars have always had more power than the spoken/written word so I'll let my money do my speaking from now on. (Patch 1.5 is only a minor piece of my whole dissatisfaction with this game, I unsubbed long ago and have never found the desire to resub)

If ZoS gets their act together or I find myself bored enough with other games and life to come back I will. Maybe in a week, maybe in a month, maybe never.

/shrug

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

My subscription expires in a few hours so don't expect to see me defending anything on Haderus in the near term. The one day I tried PvPing there in 1.5 pretty much put the nail in the coffin for the campaign for me.

I can talk my head off on these forums with all of the sound logic and reasoning in the world but dollars have always had more power than the spoken/written word so I'll let my money do my speaking from now on. (Patch 1.5 is only a minor piece of my whole dissatisfaction with this game, I unsubbed long ago and have never found the desire to resub)

If ZoS gets their act together or I find myself bored enough with other games and life to come back I will. Maybe in a week, maybe in a month, maybe never.

/shrug

You might be dismayed to find Tyago apparently feels the same way, and no amount of reasoning could get him to change his mind. Personally if all of the EP regulars just buck up and work together we could get good fights going but they think TB is the place to go and I tried it and it was awful, but AD camping the gates on Had isn't any better which is why I'm confused why lag is good and pvp is bad for some reason.

Say hi to MT for me, you him RD and all those were like the Arch villains of the AD.

Telel

This one would like to apologize if their insertion of sharp fangy ouchy teeth into body parts has in any way inconvenienced his betters in the opposing armies of not Telel's side. Yes, they really would like to do so, and maybe will do so someday.

They would also like to note that the mighty horde of Queen Razum-Dar is in itself a bit of transition. Many have gone to Thornblade due to the increase in action, and a sudden down swing in queue times brought on by numerous factors. Telel them self has been mostly catching up on dungeons and quests in cyrodiil they have not had time to do up until this point, and others have done the same.

Oh and Dwemer colelcting, one must not forget that most bothersome of new hobbies. But it did give this one a nice new bakka mallet so it is not so bad.

However that means that there are a handful of loyal , and most fashionably attired, soldiers of Queen Razum-Dar who are eager for PVP and tend to home in one things like keeps lighting up. Considering that was how the pacters usually declared they were there to farm newbs you might wish to forgive us for the somewhat pavlovian responses we have in swarming to it like a zombie to a kindergarten. A kindergarten stocked with very fat children with large brains.

Fortunately Telel is as benevolent as they are unskilled at staying alive and so will ask what our lustrious, and most superior, opponents might wish us to do instead of rushing towards what usually involves us dieing in quite the explosive fashion.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

Really it's just like the day after the patch 2/3 of our native EP group just decided they didn't want to pvp anymore at all. Didn't matter how many clutch keep defenses we'd pulled off in the past or how much points we did get just from actually playing. I don't know what happened over the 2 days after the patch launch that turned everything up side down, it took me forever to download the patch, but I'm hearing people are quitting the game, people are moving to Lagblade, people wanna do pve instead (which is normal for post patch to catch up on goodies). So where we used to be able to field a consistent roster of almost 30 people during the day time up until late evening, we barely have 12, and the other 12 are more interested in Lagblade.

Maybe things will level out over time, the same problem happened with Volendrung, it's just stupid that you raid with people for so long and then they up and bail on you. Shoot even one of my friends decided to be neurotic and seemed every other day he'd sing this games praises then the next day it was *** despite all the fun to be had. It doesn't make sense to me. Alot of things don't. Like I tried telling Tyago, pvp doesn't happen unless we make it happen, but he wouldn't listen. He didn't want to listen.

Telel

Well the obvious reason would be the removal of camps. Without a constant flow of those the old AP farms are not as sustainable as they were. Certainly one can use soul gems but when we begin to press in that becomes an untenable solution. Especially as many of us who remain fighting on the AD side are the ones who now understand the 'tricks' some of your DKs like to pull in order to massacre the scrubs, or give the rest of you some breathing room.

So this one is assuming it is a morale issue. The sudden loss of the popular (but not only) strategy available, changes to various skills/gear, and a sudden shift in opponent skill levels has perhaps left some in a bit of a funk. Especially as even the nicest of us are not just going to let the pacters roll up parts of the map without at least getting stuck in.

Perhaps in a week or so this malaise will clear and there'll be a resurgence. Or perhaps those remaining may try a new idea such as simply hitting resources as fast, and as often as they can and not sticking around to siege or get pinned in place being whittled down.

Or perhaps we'll all move to Chillrend and keep Rylana company as we pick on the daggits.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

They should just delete Haderus at this rate. I mean we've tried and tried to get competitive pvp going and it just hasn't stuck. There's been some times the ring gets turned, but nothing stays consistent. It was always my impression that combat involves being able to adapt to new strategies. I'm thinking its more than just a morale issue, but even so for things to take a nosedive so quickly is absurd. Maybe in a week things will get better, but the superbowl doesn't happen if both teams don't show up so I'm not understanding the logic of the EP that decided it wasn't worth pvping anymore, camps or no camps.

kijima

Confused, had's is no longer a buff server and you still can't beat AD?

Maybe you need to call in No Mercy again to beat the AD PvEérs.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

kijima wrote: »

Confused, had's is no longer a buff server and you still can't beat AD?

Maybe you need to call in No Mercy again to beat the AD PvEérs.

That has nothing to do with it the problem is the majority of EP's native core up and quit pvping on Had or the game itself for very petty reasons I'm having trouble understanding. Not to mention DC's presence is miniscule at best.

Telel

Yes the daggets have not been quite as active ever since certain people went to chillrend and ruffled their feathers.

We get a handful of folks coming in at about 8PM or so and giving glade or warden a shot but they seem to always hit them just as Telel is in the area and has nothing better to do. From there it's just a delaying action until the six or so other folks on our side show up and help drive them back up, and then off the resource they're working out of.

Really no one on Haderus seems to be able to put up enough numbers to launch an effective siege right now. Without camps Telel thinks a good ten or so competent individuals would be sufficient for a empty keep but when defenders begin rolling in khajiit would want double the numbers on their side. Without that it's just very difficult to both take down the inner, keep the defenders at bay, AND revive the fallen fast enough.

The last three defenses of Kingscrest this one has fought in all seemed to be decided on killing off the DKs that leapt into the inner. Once they were downed it was a simple matter of smashing the siege that was still up, and waiting for the pacters to retreat. There just weren't enough attackers to sustain the momentum needed, and Telel does not blame them for being frustrated on the matter.

Weberda

I knew something was wrong with EP side on Had on Wednesday when I went up to BRK on Thorn with a bunch of AD from Had. The first EP player we run up against......Vortexman. I thought for a minute I had been ported back to my home campaign.

I believe the "buff" campaigns will remain as they are because of the PVE players protecting their buffs for use in PVE. I could care less about them in PVP. I'm quite content to get the same as the local players in whatever campaign I'm in. But without FC's I don't see how the minority alliances on a buff server can do any damage to the status quo.

Armitas

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

My subscription expires in a few hours so don't expect to see me defending anything on Haderus in the near term. The one day I tried PvPing there in 1.5 pretty much put the nail in the coffin for the campaign for me.

That sux. I hope I didn't play a part in that. When you didn't reply after I walked out I thought you might have reached a point of frustration with the game. I walked away from our fight because it wasn't going to end until I ran out of pots and we got the 4th man we were waiting on for pledges.

/miss you out there.

Armitas

ZOS. Quick fix.

Make a 5th campaign.
That gives us 3 buff servers for everyone to get "mah buffs"and 2 campaigns to actually pvp on.

MiyaTheUnbroken

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

I'm immensely confused. AD always complains that nothing happens. So we try to take something then a dozen people show up and wipe us. ATM our usual raid group is somewhat fractured and some of them fled to TB under the mistaken impression more action could be found there, but all I heard was complaints about how terrible lag was. Not only that but thanks to overwhelming levels of frustration caused by members of opposing groups, the usual raid leadership decided to up and bail for what I think are ridiculous reasons.

I tried tagging along on TB with a noob alt and it was fun up until there was the 300 person lag where you could spend 5 minutes not being able to do anything but light attacks. How is that in the least bit appealing? EP needs to grow a pair and actually get in and do something on Had, and AD needs to stop being shrieking whining babies when it comes to EITHER DC or EP doing something.

You do not get a buff server.

There should BE no buff servers.

You want lag-free pvp PLAY on a lag-free server.

Unless things settle down with EP leadership and AD babies, I'll happily NOT pvp so you spoiled brats don't get a scrap of points. Have fun running scout quests.

1. AD does want something to happen, very, very, very much so. That is why when 5 EP soldiers take a resource 20 AD show up to get a taste of the fight. The mentality is not "Smash them, crush them, teach them not to show their faces on haderus." It's more of a "OMG! OMG! There's people here! There's people here! Everybody get here before they leave!" We've actually had discussions about whether or not we should let you keep or take castles and how those actions would affect EP's morale and willingness to return. I no longer fight at EP or DC's gate keeps because on Haderus I think it's unproductive. Also I can't fast travel there and I'm lazy. It kills the morale of our enemies, and they won't want to play with us anymore. Unfortunately AD is made of a lot of people, and we all have differing opinions, so many will still camp your gates and refuse to allow you any keep at all. I can assure it has little to do with buffs, and more to do with chasing down any action any where.

2. You have your own buff server. Get off that high horse before you hurt yourself.

3. Go ahead and leave. No one is stopping you.

4. If you're going to delete a campaign it should be Azura's star. We have two 30 day campaigns, and only one 14 and one 7 day campaign. Not all of us have the time to dedicate to a month long campaign, and it'd be kinda *** to take away one of the shorter ones.

driosketch

The ironic thing, despite taking the PvP buff incentive away, it's actually harder to convert these buff campaigns back to anything resembling balanced territory. Locally one side has a stack of all the bonuses, while the other two have nothing.

Ezareth

Armitas wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

My subscription expires in a few hours so don't expect to see me defending anything on Haderus in the near term. The one day I tried PvPing there in 1.5 pretty much put the nail in the coffin for the campaign for me.

That sux. I hope I didn't play a part in that. When you didn't reply after I walked out I thought you might have reached a point of frustration with the game. I walked away from our fight because it wasn't going to end until I ran out of pots and we got the 4th man we were waiting on for pledges.

/miss you out there.

@Armitas‌
I figured you were running out of resources and ran to the guards to avoid dying. Sorc DPS is so weak right now it would nt surprise me if I wasn't running you out of resources.

I didn't get a whisper from you or I would have replied, maybe you messaged someone else.

driosketch wrote: »

The ironic thing, despite taking the PvP buff incentive away, it's actually harder to convert these buff campaigns back to anything resembling balanced territory. Locally one side has a stack of all the bonuses, while the other two have nothing.

Anyone with a brain could have guessed what would happen to buff servers after 1.5. No forward camps, no PvP buffs, and no incentive for any real group to come to the campaign to PvP ( since you cant really set up a sucessful farm in the middle of enemy territory without a way to ress your dead. With the slow pace of Cyrodiil caused by the lack of FCs the action on the most populous campaign is too slow.....buff campaigns are just dead.

Armitas

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

My subscription expires in a few hours so don't expect to see me defending anything on Haderus in the near term. The one day I tried PvPing there in 1.5 pretty much put the nail in the coffin for the campaign for me.

That sux. I hope I didn't play a part in that. When you didn't reply after I walked out I thought you might have reached a point of frustration with the game. I walked away from our fight because it wasn't going to end until I ran out of pots and we got the 4th man we were waiting on for pledges.

/miss you out there.

@Armitas‌
I figured you were running out of resources and ran to the guards to avoid dying. Sorc DPS is so weak right now it would nt surprise me if I wasn't running you out of resources.

I didn't get a whisper from you or I would have replied, maybe you messaged someone else.

For some reason the cross alliance whispers I initiate are flaky at best. Glad to know it wasn't me.

Aeratus

Haderus is still a PVE buff server. Nothing has changed in that sense. Do you think AD PVPers who play on Thornblade were the only ones defending Haderus?

As long as it is a buff campaign for PVE, the proud PVEers of AD (including people who play both PVE and PVP like myself) will always defend Haderus. The PVEer have a strong interest in defending Haderus because the buffs help a lot with trials leaderboards. Last week, the competition for AA weekly was actually pretty tight, and if you had any deaths in the group, you could not get a spot on weekly. Therefore, the only thing that separated the groups (which compete across all factions in the game) was the amount of dps you have, and that is why buff servers are so important.

Don't get me wrong. I'm totally in favor of removing buff servers (see http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/134489/changes-coming-to-pvp-buffs-get-it-right-zos-and-remove-the-buffs-from-pve-now)

I don't care about the buffs. I only care about a level playing field across all factions for purposes of PVE. They can give me -20% crit for all I care, as long as it is applied to everyone across all factions.

But until that happens, AD owns this place!

GorraShatan

My main PvP is on AD for Thornblade and EP for Blackwater, but I've wanted to go try to push back in some of the underdog campaigns as DC with my VR14 Templar Healer for a while. Hopefully I'll see you in there.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

AD isn't the only one guilty of hogging a buff server. EP and DC did it too, and that's the *** part of it they complain just as much about Thornlag yet don't do anything productive about it. Some of the large guilds might jump over for a couple days action but the real prize remains Thornblade for whatever reason. Even the major guilds that had previously been established both for DC and EP are 'conflicted' regarding Thornblade or Haderus.

My question for them is if you could field a 24 man raid, which would be better: taking that raid and raiding on Thornblob where you are part of the masses and don't stand out one bit against the masses and die to the masses when the lag sets in, or raiding on Haderus where if you stir up the hornets nest, you'll likely not only take a keep or several under your own steam, but royally honk off PVE babies and get into epic sieges against 50+ players where you usually end up smacking them down because they can't pvp their way out of a cardboard box without impulse monkeys.

FluffiestOne

What you guys don't understand is, none of DC's "top" players really protect Chillrend anymore. Attack it. Feel free. I was thinking about wiping Haderus to a sea of blue but to be honest I don't see any point in it. The 200+ AD PVErs will just take it back the moment the emperor (probably me) logs. We have no incentive to even try anymore.

Armitas

FluffiestOne wrote: »

What you guys don't understand is, none of DC's "top" players really protect Chillrend anymore. Attack it. Feel free.

kijima

Not seeing a big issue on Had at all, I was there last night and apart from three resources around Farra not being AD's everything was yellow, and I reckon I was one of about four AD on Had last night.

I rode up to farra, solo'd the first resource, had the second nearly solo'd and a random AD joined me to finish the job (thanks to whoever that was, more hands light work etc....) then the two of us ode to the last resource and took that.

Not once did I see an enemy anywhere, and nor were there hords of AD running around either. If DC and EP stopped double teaming up on thorn, and moved over to Had, we'd have two fun servers and not one dead one, and the other being factionally, 2v1

Fluffy, if you think Chill is an easy take, so is Had. That's if you had the balls... which you don't.

driosketch

kijima wrote: »

Not seeing a big issue on Had at all, I was there last night and apart from three resources around Farra not being AD's everything was yellow, and I reckon I was one of about four AD on Had last night.

I rode up to farra, solo'd the first resource, had the second nearly solo'd and a random AD joined me to finish the job (thanks to whoever that was, more hands light work etc....) then the two of us ode to the last resource and took that.

Not once did I see an enemy anywhere, and nor were there hords of AD running around either. If DC and EP stopped double teaming up on thorn, and moved over to Had, we'd have two fun servers and not one dead one, and the other being factionally, 2v1

Fluffy, if you think Chill is an easy take, so is Had. That's if you had the balls... which you don't.

So let me understand. You rode out to the only thing your alliance didn't already own, flipped them while no one was around, using the smallest possible group, and you wonder what the issue with no one showing up is?

Suru

All of DCs top are in thorn bruh, and theres no need to protect chill atm. Sure attack haderus, open It up for AD in thorne porfavor

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

Tyago got his mojo back. Most of EP's core reassembled and we took the ring. Didn't run into any resistance besides the Had AD natives. Most of us are faceplanting in bed about nows but our new emp is going to have his jollies while he can. Cheers for fun pvp!

Rylana

FluffiestOne wrote: »

What you guys don't understand is, none of DC's "top" players really protect Chillrend anymore. Attack it. Feel free. I was thinking about wiping Haderus to a sea of blue but to be honest I don't see any point in it. The 200+ AD PVErs will just take it back the moment the emperor (probably me) logs. We have no incentive to even try anymore.

Been there, done that, honestly its good for about the first couple of times, but then people just dont show up unless we start taking everything, and then its like a floodgate opened.

Either that or for whatever reason 20 of them respond within moments.

We tried to ninja brindle last night as a last hurrah for our group with six people, and on the front flag a literal flood of blue came through.

I was like, wtf? (best part is they had obviously burned up a camp for this, because one guy died like three times and kept coming back in the door)

It was rather funny that despite NPC guards still being blue and being grotesquely outnumbered, about four of us survived on the back flag for about five minutes, but we couldnt gain ground on them and they kept coming.

All it would take is one solid organized raid group, and any buff server is history until that group logs out. Then it flips back.

Nala_

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

Tyago got his mojo back. Most of EP's core reassembled and we took the ring. Didn't run into any resistance besides the Had AD natives. Most of us are faceplanting in bed about nows but our new emp is going to have his jollies while he can. Cheers for fun pvp!

ya usually if you wait until 4 A.M. and pvdoor a buff server you wont get any resistance.

FluffiestOne

kijima wrote: »

Fluffy, if you think Chill is an easy take, so is Had. That's if you had the balls... which you don't.

I was emperor on Haderus for a day or two, it was fun until the next day when I had to go to sleep. Wasn't particularly difficult to take, defending is the difficult, as you can ask any of the 4~ish EP/DC former emps of haderus.

kevlarto_ESO

EP and DC do not want pvp on their buff servers either, not just an AD thing.. I remember dawnbreaker, you even mention the word pvp and you were dragged through hot coals LOL