Suggestion: "Inspect" player feature

Cazic

Hey all,

I have a suggestion, which is to add an "Inspect" option when interacting with another player. Inspecting them will give you a limited view of their paperdoll, just so you can see the equipment they're wearing (all stats of it as well). You would have the option to disable this if you'd rather not have other players checking you out.

It's a small thing, but adds to player interaction and makes it easy to check out what your friend is wearing if you're close by to them.

Mordria

No thank you.

Cazic

Mordria wrote: »

No thank you.

Why not?

Nestor

Only if they include an option where the person being inspected can block this and respond with a sign saying Sod Off.

Tandor

Already been fully discussed here. In a poll 76% opposed it.

I personally don't want it and see no reason for it. I have no interest in what you're wearing and what I'm wearing is none of your business.

I'd rather developers spent their time on more significant stuff.

Martinus72

It's the straight way to judging you by gear not by skill which has given birth to countless elitist idiots in other MMO's so no, really no thank you.

Cazic

Yeah, I realize a lot of people wouldn't want it. That's why you'd have the option of disabling it. It could even be off by default so it's more of a voluntary thing. I agree it's not important enough to be high priority, but thought it would be a cool small added feature.

Nestor

Cazic wrote: »

Mordria wrote: »

No thank you.

Why not?

It only encourages eliteism and certain equipment builds. If you don't match the standard, what ever that happens to be that week, then people won't group with you.

I would rather have an under equipped PC with broken and under-leveled equipment that knows how to play the game than someone with all the leet gear anyway. The latter only cares about stats, the former is having fun.

Chufu

Normally that sounds nice, but I know from other games that this would be used from other players or addons to find out if you are "adequate" for a dungeon or a trial.

I see things like:

A raidleader needs some guys for a trial. So he found one of them and tells him, that he have to come to the entrance of the trial.

He inspects the player and says:"OH NO MAN! You can't come with us to the trial, you have just green equipment and your weapon is so ***!"

Then the inspected person could answer: "But I have so much skill, I rock although I wear green armor!"

The raidleader says: "Sorry, come back later when you have legendary equipment."

That's not a situation I want to see in Tamriel.

We still should have fun and if we CAN inspecting players, we WOULD inspecting players. Because everyone would do that then.

So I am a little bit afraid of "inspecting other players".

Vendersleigh

No.

Cazic

Hmmm.. good points guys. I never thought of it from the elitist "excluding people from groups because their gear isn't up to par" point of view. I was really just considering it as a friendly/social thing. But I get where you're all coming from, and see why this likely won't happen.

Soulshine

Nestor wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

Mordria wrote: »

No thank you.

Why not?

It only encourages eliteism and certain equipment builds. If you don't match the standard, what ever that happens to be that week, then people won't group with you.

I would rather have an under equipped PC with broken and under-leveled equipment that knows how to play the game than someone with all the leet gear anyway. The latter only cares about stats, the former is having fun.

Good grief. Let's not go down that path, shall we? There are plenty of us who like "having fun" and care about our gear and stats being the best we can make them. That is part of the fun too. As for inspecting your set up - I do not care to either, so on that we agree.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Absolutely not! This will enforce the already elitism of many aspects of this game.

Evergnar

Not a chance.
If you really wanna know what your friend is wearing, ask them.

Shunravi

No. Even if it had a toggle option, people would reject you from a group simply for toggling it off. After all, if you are hiding it it must be bad gear right? It certainly has nothing to do with personal preference right?

I don't want gearscore. I don't want the 'noob elite' gate that only cares about said gearscore instead of actual skill.

If you are so curious, just ask. That's even more player interactive.

Beesting

I often link my gear and weapons in group chat if it comes up

It would be nice to also link the morphs on my skillbars in group chat, i often wonder what an amazing skill a group member is using is called. If people would be able to link it in chat that would be easier to find out then it is now, especially with the languare barrier, some of my friends only know the french or german name for their morphs..

I agree you can't buy skill, if the inspecting would go live it would be important to also include things like
Over the last month player
1. stood in red circles without rolling out of them x % of the time
2. Has been hit by heavy attacks without blocking x % of the amount
3. Has been spamming AOE skills at a boss that is immune to them i.e. Using wrong skills for the boss while proper skills where available

Etc etc

BBSooner

I'd prefer to not have an inspect feature.

AlexDougherty

Cazic wrote: »

It's a small thing, but adds to player interaction and makes it easy to check out what your friend is wearing if you're close by to them.

If they are a friend you can just ask them.

It makes it too easy for elitists to start kicking people based on their gear, which happens a lot in MMOs with this feature.

Cazic

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

It's a small thing, but adds to player interaction and makes it easy to check out what your friend is wearing if you're close by to them.

If they are a friend you can just ask them.

It makes it too easy for elitists to start kicking people based on their gear, which happens a lot in MMOs with this feature.

That makes sense, and seems to be the main issue here. I guess I really don't have an elitist mindset because I never even considered it until everyone here pointed it out. It would suck to bring that sort of play into ESO... my mind has been officially changed.

Thanks all for the responses.

Zorrashi

No thanks, inspection brings in too many negatives.

Merlin13KAGL

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Cazic wrote: »

It's a small thing, but adds to player interaction and makes it easy to check out what your friend is wearing if you're close by to them.

If they are a friend you can just ask them.

It makes it too easy for elitists to start kicking people based on their gear, which happens a lot in MMOs with this feature.

Even if they're a stranger, /AskAn[snip]Question

Most will take the time to talk with you briefly about whatever it is you wish to know.

I don't want someone rifling through my inventory, either, but I'll happily tell them what's in there.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Nestor

Soulshine wrote: »

Good grief. Let's not go down that path, shall we? There are plenty of us who like "having fun" and care about our gear and stats being the best we can make them. That is part of the fun too. As for inspecting your set up - I do not care to either, so on that we agree.

Yes, I care about my gear too, up to a point. I have done all the research so I can make crafted gear that gives my toons the best chance to prevail. But, I don't worry about it being improved to Legendary, or even Epic in most cases. I also run around in Heavy Armor on my Dragon Knight, which would probably disqualify me from most Trials Groups. Certainly would get the elitists all up in a bunch. I am in no way optimized on my equipment, but I survive and the mobs die, that is good enough for me.

The point I was making is some people only care about equipment and max stats, where I care more about game play and the person behind the toon and what they are there for. I assume that they have the equipment they need for the level they are at if they are running around in the same zone as me.

s7732425ub17_ESO

For those of you that don't already know this:

The head game designer of ESO has stated that he really, really wants there to be an "overall character strength" indicator. This is pretty much the same thing as an "inspect" feature because it lets other people know just how strong you are in relation to everyone else in the group. So expect the devs to actually consider adding this and be ready for it.

Nox_Aeterna

OP you just stepped on a mine field :P.

I dont even need to read the comments to know what is going to be said here lols.

In the end , people want to have crappy items/builds that are subpar AND also want others to carry them around so they can do the content , welcome to MMOs.

k9mouse

~puts her face in her Khajiit Paw and shakes her head~

NO THANK YOU! The next step people will start saying, you don't such and such, get lost. It leads to people to be (more) jerk like. I am so glad that ESO does NOT have that!

Adds this to her "Bad idea Blacklist of WoW clones option that do NOT belong in ESO"

k9mouse

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

For those of you that don't already know this:

The head game designer of ESO has stated that he really, really wants there to be an "overall character strength" indicator. This is pretty much the same thing as an "inspect" feature because it lets other people know just how strong you are in relation to everyone else in the group. So expect the devs to actually consider adding this and be ready for it.

That sucks and that Dev is acting stupid.

I DO NOT WANT THIS IN THE GAME!

Is that clear enough for that dev get the message?!

Shunravi

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

OP you just stepped on a mine field :P.

I dont even need to read the comments to know what is going to be said here lols.

In the end , people want to have crappy items/builds that are subpar AND also want others to carry them around so they can do the content , welcome to MMOs.

Welcome to the hornets nest amiright?

To be fair though Nox, I have done my fair share of carrying players with better gear than me. Gear doesn't make the toon. It does help though...

k9mouse

Shunravi wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

OP you just stepped on a mine field :P.

I dont even need to read the comments to know what is going to be said here lols.

In the end , people want to have crappy items/builds that are subpar AND also want others to carry them around so they can do the content , welcome to MMOs.

Welcome to the hornets nest amiright?

To be fair though Nox, I have done my fair share of carrying players with better gear than me. Gear doesn't make the toon. It does help though...

Many people rather beat over the head with "gear this and gear that" instead of helping the person and having fun. I am so glad that it is out of ESO. I hate that in RIFT and leads players to be jerks. Some info about my char should remain my private info to share, and not make public knowledge. If you want to know, just ask me.

ZOS should be encouraging player to player talking interaction, instead of some pointless UI screen.

OrangeTheCat

Hell no to inspections. It only serves to fuel elitism. If you are curious what gear the other person has, ask them.

Nox_Aeterna

Shunravi wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

OP you just stepped on a mine field :P.

I dont even need to read the comments to know what is going to be said here lols.

In the end , people want to have crappy items/builds that are subpar AND also want others to carry them around so they can do the content , welcome to MMOs.

Welcome to the hornets nest amiright?

To be fair though Nox, I have done my fair share of carrying players with better gear than me. Gear doesn't make the toon. It does help though...

Hehe pretty much, in the end , this is just a PUB tool.

Yes , gear doesnt make someone good and yes , someone with poor gear can be better than someone with ubber gear.

The reason this tool is popular is because , a bad player with good gear/build , still makes up for a average party member.

Yes you could have an awesome player with crappy gear that still manages to be awesome , but in a PUB you would only be able to test this after wasting your time getting the party ready and starting the fights...

With this tool , you atleast trust the other guy to have an average performance , if he is actually a good player , even better.

But , like we both know , no chance this will get in the game , the vast majority is of casual players which usually stand on the bad gear/build grounds.

Shunravi

k9mouse wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

OP you just stepped on a mine field :P.

I dont even need to read the comments to know what is going to be said here lols.

In the end , people want to have crappy items/builds that are subpar AND also want others to carry them around so they can do the content , welcome to MMOs.

Welcome to the hornets nest amiright?

To be fair though Nox, I have done my fair share of carrying players with better gear than me. Gear doesn't make the toon. It does help though...

Many people rather beat over the head with "gear this and gear that" instead of helping the person and having fun. I am so glad that it is out of ESO. I hate that in RIFT and leads players to be jerks. Some info about my char should remain my privte info to share, and not make public knowlege. If you want to know, just ask me.

ZOS should be encouraging player to player taling interaction, instead of some pointless UI screen.

A breath of fresh air! It's one of the things I like in ESO.