Should I reroll? Serious question from a V12 NB

zso72

I have enjoyed playing my NB (rerolled from DK a week after early access), however two pivotal issues are now making me question continuing with this character at all:

Firstly, the Nightblade has been the most "balanced" and "fixed" class by volume of patch log changes. Despite this, many fixes loosely promised as far back as 1.2 have yet to arrive, such as attack speed on bows. Most notably in 1.4s big release, they have broken Shadow cloak/stealth (can you break something that never 100% worked as intended? maybe another word). Nightblades will be seemingly micromanagedbalanced so often it's hard to commit to a character standing on a tectonic fault line.

This leads me to part deux- The rate at which item sets, bonuses, stacking penalties, and skills have changed every major update makes investing in a gold V14 set a very risky gamble. Every major update (sometimes even at the minor updates) there are horror-story quality tales posted of someone JUST golding out their set, to learn that its "new" bonuses are no longer even close to what the player intended. This makes me uneasy even capping out my items at V14, unless I pick the typical, cookie-cutter build+item sets, since those have been already abused and balanced it seems.

I want to commit to a character, both skill and item wise, but feel uneasy with the every-changing terrain of the NB sphere.

jelliedsoup

Vr11 here. Thinking the same, zos loves dks.

Samadhi

As a Nightblade since Beta, I have never asked this question.
Even now I would not reroll.

jrgray93

Well, you could become a templar and beg for some balancing changes that make you matter more where you want to, despite being great in particular niche roles.

Or you could become a DK and do well in almost any situation while being nigh invincible in PVP.

Or even a sorcerer, where you can bolt escape. Bolt escape bolt escape bolt escape, bolty bolty bolt bolt escape.

Aeratus

Different people play their NBs differently and have different expectations for their intended build.

Based on your post, it is impossible to even understand what your specific concerns about NB are.

jambam817_ESO

I rerolled from my VR 2 Nightblade to my currently VR8 Sorc.

its the same game, regardless of class. And if you have the patience to play through all the same alliances again, go for it. I did not. Thats why my sorc is stuck at VR8.

And craglorn grinding sounds soooo fun.... not...

Unsubbed. Its just ticking down now This game turned out to be a single player Elder Scrolls. Shoulda screwed the ONLINE title and just smacked on VI.

KariTR

Can you reroll in a game where we have more than one character slot?

Emperor

jrgray93 wrote: »

Well, you could become a templar and beg for some balancing changes that make you matter more where you want to, despite being great in particular niche roles.

Or you could become a DK and do well in almost any situation while being nigh invincible in PVP.

Or even a sorcerer, where you can bolt escape. Bolt escape bolt escape bolt escape, bolty bolty bolt bolt escape.

You, along with many other people that think DKs are gods of PvP still, should try dueling sometime with decently skilled players. I fight all classes in a dueling guild called Legend and it seems pretty balanced. I win some and lose some verse all 4 classes.

In fact, I don't know why people think knightblades are so underpowered. I fought a great knightblade the other day and COULD NOT kill him. He definitely knew how to play his class instead of complaining on forums because he couldn't use a skill another class has.

Tavore1138

I do wonder when they release patches that seem designed to make a class that is acknowledged to be weakest even weaker, if I were their boss I would force them all to play nothing but stealthy, medium wearing, stamina based, non-staff NBs until they fixed the faults.

Anyone playing anything else would be staked over an ants nest in the nearest radioactive wasteland.

Shunravi

Emperor wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Well, you could become a templar and beg for some balancing changes that make you matter more where you want to, despite being great in particular niche roles.

Or you could become a DK and do well in almost any situation while being nigh invincible in PVP.

Or even a sorcerer, where you can bolt escape. Bolt escape bolt escape bolt escape, bolty bolty bolt bolt escape.

You, along with many other people that think DKs are gods of PvP still, should try dueling sometime with decently skilled players. I fight all classes in a dueling guild called Legend and it seems pretty balanced. I win some and lose some verse all 4 classes.

In fact, I don't know why people think knightblades are so underpowered. I fought a great knightblade the other day and COULD NOT kill him. He definitely knew how to play his class instead of complaining on forums because he couldn't use a skill another class has.

Most people talk about a build not the class.

Guys like us can talk about how things actually are all we want, people either won't believe or will ignore it because it is not congruent with their build.

zso72

Aeratus wrote: »

Different people play their NBs differently and have different expectations for their intended build.

Based on your post, it is impossible to even understand what your specific concerns about NB are.

My "expectations" for any NB build are that the skills work as intended, and if not, are attended to in a timely manner. We were told that 1.2 had the haste attack speed on bows working...here we are 1.4.3, and I don't know if that's even still in the works. Shadow cloak's theoretical fix finally arrived, 5+ months after release, and it's now more broken than before. Yes, it's a new patch, yes they will fix it quickly, but this "quickly" is still addressing a situation I bug reported in March.

Emperor wrote: »

In fact, I don't know why people think knightblades are so underpowered. I fought a great knightblade the other day and COULD NOT kill him. He definitely knew how to play his class instead of complaining on forums because he couldn't use a skill another class has.

If all my skills worked as intended for even one month I would stop "complaining on the forums." I can 1v1 just fine...that is not what this thread is about, it's about the constant tug of war of balances, fixes, and tweaks, which has shown mere inches of progress toward a balanced PVP and PVE environment. Your post is typical, "I didn't read the opening post, but I have very defined opinions on what I think it's about anyway."

Xeres14

I get the sentiment. But, like someone said already, why "reroll"? Just make a new character (if you have the room) and try it. IMO it'd be a shame to throw out that many levels on your NB.

jrgray93

Emperor wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Well, you could become a templar and beg for some balancing changes that make you matter more where you want to, despite being great in particular niche roles.

Or you could become a DK and do well in almost any situation while being nigh invincible in PVP.

Or even a sorcerer, where you can bolt escape. Bolt escape bolt escape bolt escape, bolty bolty bolt bolt escape.

You, along with many other people that think DKs are gods of PvP still, should try dueling sometime with decently skilled players. I fight all classes in a dueling guild called Legend and it seems pretty balanced. I win some and lose some verse all 4 classes.

In fact, I don't know why people think knightblades are so underpowered. I fought a great knightblade the other day and COULD NOT kill him. He definitely knew how to play his class instead of complaining on forums because he couldn't use a skill another class has.

Hey, now. I thought the nature of my post made it clear that I was mostly joking. I drop DKs all the time because I know what to do to counter various builds and tactics. That doesn't mean I can't make a post in an attempt to lighten the mood by highlighting the general consensus of the public view of the class.

For the record, I've seen plenty of NBs and templars survive just as long. Sorcs, not so much, mostly because they just bolt escape away xD

Ryzium

Shunravi wrote: »

Emperor wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Well, you could become a templar and beg for some balancing changes that make you matter more where you want to, despite being great in particular niche roles.

Or you could become a DK and do well in almost any situation while being nigh invincible in PVP.

Or even a sorcerer, where you can bolt escape. Bolt escape bolt escape bolt escape, bolty bolty bolt bolt escape.

You, along with many other people that think DKs are gods of PvP still, should try dueling sometime with decently skilled players. I fight all classes in a dueling guild called Legend and it seems pretty balanced. I win some and lose some verse all 4 classes.

In fact, I don't know why people think knightblades are so underpowered. I fought a great knightblade the other day and COULD NOT kill him. He definitely knew how to play his class instead of complaining on forums because he couldn't use a skill another class has.

Most people talk about a build not the class.

Guys like us can talk about how things actually are all we want, people either won't believe or will ignore it because it is not congruent with their build.

I'm in Legend as well and have repeatedly told NBs on the forums this but they want to play their rogue assassin builds and will continue to get REKT until they buff stamina builds worse than how magicka builds used to be.

Tavore1138

Emperor wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Well, you could become a templar and beg for some balancing changes that make you matter more where you want to, despite being great in particular niche roles.

Or you could become a DK and do well in almost any situation while being nigh invincible in PVP.

Or even a sorcerer, where you can bolt escape. Bolt escape bolt escape bolt escape, bolty bolty bolt bolt escape.

You, along with many other people that think DKs are gods of PvP still, should try dueling sometime with decently skilled players. I fight all classes in a dueling guild called Legend and it seems pretty balanced. I win some and lose some verse all 4 classes.

In fact, I don't know why people think knightblades are so underpowered. I fought a great knightblade the other day and COULD NOT kill him. He definitely knew how to play his class instead of complaining on forums because he couldn't use a skill another class has.

Troll much?

Sure a skilled NB can hold their own but generally if probed a lot of 'good' NBs turn out to be destro/resto light wearers who have builds that do well in spite of the underlying class flaws. And good luck to them.

If you prefer to play the more balanced medium wearing stealthy assassin variant that should be possible then are forced to accept that you will struggle harder to achieve the same results.

I am reasonably skilled and rack up kills against whatever classes I encounter but if I meet a skilled sorc or DK Odds will be against me.

Kypho

Knightblade is heavy armored NB? I hope you not speaking about lightarmor and staff f..otism.
And that you got defeated by NB doesnt mean it doesnt sux and its not bugged crap, it means you are more bad than a badly bugged class. So i dont know what you mean.

A good DK is unkillable (maybe not vs Templar), i killd 2 DK 2 on me once, and that means nothing exept they was really really bad. Doesnt need to defend the OP DK and you doesnt need to flame the NB who complains that their abilities and passives arent working, because most DK want even more tanking and more dmg, like the alerady BS reflect should not use magicka at all..

DK are the ppl who know how to exploit the weak combat mechanics of game, thx for the incompetent zos, and brag about how good they (sorry that i need to open your eyes, its only your class) are with putting up 1vX videos . Then they coming here and telling BS like "ohh why do you cry? i got killd by NB" and "DK need buff" and such BS....

Many many of my friends used NB and they just got bored because its underpowered compared to the lolDK and OPlar. Some of em have those classes, they do the crappy 1vX with both classes, while they was unable to do that with NB, not because they sux as NB, its because NB is a crap compared to those classes.
Now they brag about how they did 3k dmg with blazing shield, and if NB jumping on em, they say.... "was just an NB" and they killing any of em easily. As for the DK class user firends, they just going into 1vX and they farming players.

Shader_Shibes

Emperor wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

In fact, I don't know why people think knightblades are so underpowered. I fought a great knightblade the other day and COULD NOT kill him. He definitely knew how to play his class instead of complaining on forums because he couldn't use a skill another class has.

Did said nightblade wear a dress and wave around a magic stick ?

Sablemane

Honestly I believe it is best to play each class long enough to understand their strengths and weaknesses firsthand. Of course that is easy for an altoholic to state The nightblade has the most potential for fun imho once ZOS gets them in a good spot. I enjoyed playing my NB "ranger" and NB DW "assassin" up to level 37 so far, but the problems with detection radius, and shadow cloak along with associated crit/hit issues means they'll be honing their surveillance skills for awhile. Maybe their lute skills too.

I highly recommend giving DW Templar a go if you enjoy unleashing whirling steel death and sun fire on milk drinkers.

heyguyslol

Rerolling probably won't help cuz if u cant L2P a NB then who's to say u will be able to with the other three classes. Sorry if that sounds like a troll just being bluntly honest. NB's can be very powerful if u build right and know how to play them.

Emperor

zso72 wrote: »

Aeratus wrote: »

Different people play their NBs differently and have different expectations for their intended build.

Based on your post, it is impossible to even understand what your specific concerns about NB are.

My "expectations" for any NB build are that the skills work as intended, and if not, are attended to in a timely manner. We were told that 1.2 had the haste attack speed on bows working...here we are 1.4.3, and I don't know if that's even still in the works. Shadow cloak's theoretical fix finally arrived, 5+ months after release, and it's now more broken than before. Yes, it's a new patch, yes they will fix it quickly, but this "quickly" is still addressing a situation I bug reported in March.

Emperor wrote: »

In fact, I don't know why people think knightblades are so underpowered. I fought a great knightblade the other day and COULD NOT kill him. He definitely knew how to play his class instead of complaining on forums because he couldn't use a skill another class has.

If all my skills worked as intended for even one month I would stop "complaining on the forums." I can 1v1 just fine...that is not what this thread is about, it's about the constant tug of war of balances, fixes, and tweaks, which has shown mere inches of progress toward a balanced PVP and PVE environment. Your post is typical, "I didn't read the opening post, but I have very defined opinions on what I think it's about anyway."

@zso72‌
Actually it would seem that you are the one who didn't read MY post. If you did you would notice I wasn't responding to your original post, I was replying to @jrgray93‌ 's post.

zso72

slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Rerolling probably won't help cuz if u cant L2P a NB then who's to say u will be able to with the other three classes. Sorry if that sounds like a troll just being bluntly honest. NB's can be very powerful if u build right and know how to play them.

I wish there was a dislike or irrelevant to topic button on the post reactions... Post is not about any imaginary inability to pve or pvp...it is about the constant, never completed, unclear future of the class. Not a place for you to hate without provocation or reason.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

zso72 wrote: »

slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Rerolling probably won't help cuz if u cant L2P a NB then who's to say u will be able to with the other three classes. Sorry if that sounds like a troll just being bluntly honest. NB's can be very powerful if u build right and know how to play them.

I wish there was a dislike or irrelevant to topic button on the post reactions... Post is not about any imaginary inability to pve or pvp...it is about the constant, never completed, unclear future of the class. Not a place for you to hate without provocation or reason.

he couldn't even be bothered to spell out most of his words, I don't think a dislike button would have reined in that level of intellect.

Also, lol at the person referring to duels as pvp. Ha!

MornaBaine

Call them. Demand your mats back or the equivalent amount of gold it's going to take to make the new set you need now that this one is useless. I did. Of course my complaint has been "escalated" so who knows what the end result will be. But I personally want these forums and their phone lines FLOODED with irate (but polite!) people who DEMAND they do the right thing. I want this to HURT them. Not JUST because I'm mad about NBs, Night's Silence and Vampires (though I am PLENTY mad! LOL) but because they have GOT to learn that they simply CANNOT keep listening to the whiners and screwing over the rest of their players because a few kids are screaming that it's not fair someone can "go fast" when they can't....because they've chosen armor that confers more combat bonuses. Explain to them in long, breathtaking detail why your class is now unplayable as far as you are concerned. Express your doubt in their integrity and their QA department. Ask them what they intend to do about it. Demand someone higher up call you back. They have GOT to figure out that this is simply no way to run a business.

zso72

Emperor wrote: »

@zso72‌
Actually it would seem that you are the one who didn't read MY post. If you did you would notice I wasn't responding to your original post, I was replying to @jrgray93‌ 's post.

That doesn't make you any more relevant in THIS THREAD. You threw out an opinion that doesn't fit this topic, seemingly only to stir up emotions or derail the actual pace. Clearly this medium for discussion or inquiry (the "official forums") is too leaden with rage and finger pointing and trolling to ever support real discourse, sorry for trying.

heyguyslol

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Emperor wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Well, you could become a templar and beg for some balancing changes that make you matter more where you want to, despite being great in particular niche roles.

Or you could become a DK and do well in almost any situation while being nigh invincible in PVP.

Or even a sorcerer, where you can bolt escape. Bolt escape bolt escape bolt escape, bolty bolty bolt bolt escape.

You, along with many other people that think DKs are gods of PvP still, should try dueling sometime with decently skilled players. I fight all classes in a dueling guild called Legend and it seems pretty balanced. I win some and lose some verse all 4 classes.

In fact, I don't know why people think knightblades are so underpowered. I fought a great knightblade the other day and COULD NOT kill him. He definitely knew how to play his class instead of complaining on forums because he couldn't use a skill another class has.

Troll much?

Sure a skilled NB can hold their own but generally if probed a lot of 'good' NBs turn out to be destro/resto light wearers who have builds that do well in spite of the underlying class flaws. And good luck to them.

If you prefer to play the more balanced medium wearing stealthy assassin variant that should be possible then are forced to accept that you will struggle harder to achieve the same results.

I am reasonably skilled and rack up kills against whatever classes I encounter but if I meet a skilled sorc or DK Odds will be against me.

Emperor is exactly correct, just because he is speaking the truth doesn't mean he is trolling so man up. I've also experienced some nightblades that I simply was unable to kill because their build and play style was very good. Instead of running to mommy (ZOS) that the kids wont play fair take some advice L2P. It's constant QQ posts like this that attempt to convince the devs to apply unnecessary class changes which creates even more class imbalance.

Kypho

slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Emperor wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Well, you could become a templar and beg for some balancing changes that make you matter more where you want to, despite being great in particular niche roles.

Or you could become a DK and do well in almost any situation while being nigh invincible in PVP.

Or even a sorcerer, where you can bolt escape. Bolt escape bolt escape bolt escape, bolty bolty bolt bolt escape.

You, along with many other people that think DKs are gods of PvP still, should try dueling sometime with decently skilled players. I fight all classes in a dueling guild called Legend and it seems pretty balanced. I win some and lose some verse all 4 classes.

In fact, I don't know why people think knightblades are so underpowered. I fought a great knightblade the other day and COULD NOT kill him. He definitely knew how to play his class instead of complaining on forums because he couldn't use a skill another class has.

Troll much?

Sure a skilled NB can hold their own but generally if probed a lot of 'good' NBs turn out to be destro/resto light wearers who have builds that do well in spite of the underlying class flaws. And good luck to them.

If you prefer to play the more balanced medium wearing stealthy assassin variant that should be possible then are forced to accept that you will struggle harder to achieve the same results.

I am reasonably skilled and rack up kills against whatever classes I encounter but if I meet a skilled sorc or DK Odds will be against me.

Emperor is exactly correct, just because he is speaking the truth doesn't mean he is trolling so man up. I've also experienced some nightblades that I simply was unable to kill because their build and play style was very good. Instead of running to mommy (ZOS) that the kids wont play fair take some advice L2P.

Trolololll....mr Troll 2. no need to be offensive to defend your lolDK crap. You cant kill a better player with a bugged class is your fault. You should use lightarmor too maybe it would help.

Tavore1138

slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Emperor wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Well, you could become a templar and beg for some balancing changes that make you matter more where you want to, despite being great in particular niche roles.

Or you could become a DK and do well in almost any situation while being nigh invincible in PVP.

Or even a sorcerer, where you can bolt escape. Bolt escape bolt escape bolt escape, bolty bolty bolt bolt escape.

You, along with many other people that think DKs are gods of PvP still, should try dueling sometime with decently skilled players. I fight all classes in a dueling guild called Legend and it seems pretty balanced. I win some and lose some verse all 4 classes.

In fact, I don't know why people think knightblades are so underpowered. I fought a great knightblade the other day and COULD NOT kill him. He definitely knew how to play his class instead of complaining on forums because he couldn't use a skill another class has.

Troll much?

Sure a skilled NB can hold their own but generally if probed a lot of 'good' NBs turn out to be destro/resto light wearers who have builds that do well in spite of the underlying class flaws. And good luck to them.

If you prefer to play the more balanced medium wearing stealthy assassin variant that should be possible then are forced to accept that you will struggle harder to achieve the same results.

I am reasonably skilled and rack up kills against whatever classes I encounter but if I meet a skilled sorc or DK Odds will be against me.

Emperor is exactly correct, just because he is speaking the truth doesn't mean he is trolling so man up. I've also experienced some nightblades that I simply was unable to kill because their build and play style was very good. Instead of running to mommy (ZOS) that the kids wont play fair take some advice L2P.

Talking of trolls.

I was probably one of the NBs who kicked your butt in PvP, badly played sorcs fold like paper, but doesn't mean I can't see the weakness in the class skills.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

slopezgamesub17_ESO1 wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Emperor wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Well, you could become a templar and beg for some balancing changes that make you matter more where you want to, despite being great in particular niche roles.

Or you could become a DK and do well in almost any situation while being nigh invincible in PVP.

Or even a sorcerer, where you can bolt escape. Bolt escape bolt escape bolt escape, bolty bolty bolt bolt escape.

You, along with many other people that think DKs are gods of PvP still, should try dueling sometime with decently skilled players. I fight all classes in a dueling guild called Legend and it seems pretty balanced. I win some and lose some verse all 4 classes.

In fact, I don't know why people think knightblades are so underpowered. I fought a great knightblade the other day and COULD NOT kill him. He definitely knew how to play his class instead of complaining on forums because he couldn't use a skill another class has.

Troll much?

Sure a skilled NB can hold their own but generally if probed a lot of 'good' NBs turn out to be destro/resto light wearers who have builds that do well in spite of the underlying class flaws. And good luck to them.

If you prefer to play the more balanced medium wearing stealthy assassin variant that should be possible then are forced to accept that you will struggle harder to achieve the same results.

I am reasonably skilled and rack up kills against whatever classes I encounter but if I meet a skilled sorc or DK Odds will be against me.

Emperor is exactly correct, just because he is speaking the truth doesn't mean he is trolling so man up. I've also experienced some nightblades that I simply was unable to kill because their build and play style was very good. Instead of running to mommy (ZOS) that the kids wont play fair take some advice L2P. It's constant QQ posts like this that attempt to convince the devs to apply unnecessary class changes which creates even more class imbalance.

Wait, wouldn't the actual problem be the fact that a bunch of people QQ'd and it led to unnecessary changes.

I think you flipped the side your were arguing for.

jelliedsoup

Emperor wrote: »

jrgray93 wrote: »

Well, you could become a templar and beg for some balancing changes that make you matter more where you want to, despite being great in particular niche roles.

Or you could become a DK and do well in almost any situation while being nigh invincible in PVP.

Or even a sorcerer, where you can bolt escape. Bolt escape bolt escape bolt escape, bolty bolty bolt bolt escape.

You, along with many other people that think DKs are gods of PvP still, should try dueling sometime with decently skilled players. I fight all classes in a dueling guild called Legend and it seems pretty balanced. I win some and lose some verse all 4 classes.

In fact, I don't know why people think knightblades are so underpowered. I fought a great knightblade the other day and COULD NOT kill him. He definitely knew how to play his class instead of complaining on forums because he couldn't use a skill another class has.

What skills, weapons did he use? I'm highly sceptical of the skills required in this game given the 360 block, and the large hit target.

david.haypreub18_ESO

jrgray93 wrote: »

Well, you could become a templar and beg for some balancing changes that make you matter more where you want to, despite being great in particular niche roles.

Or you could become a DK and do well in almost any situation while being nigh invincible in PVP.

Or even a sorcerer, where you can bolt escape. Bolt escape bolt escape bolt escape, bolty bolty bolt bolt escape.

Sad, but true.

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

Have a vet 10 templer and vet 7 sorc, my vet 8 nb is now my main and i wouldn't go back. Even with it faults and consistent changes.