Shield....WTF

Sav72

Whats the point in attacking anyone with a shield if they are going to BLOCK every attack!!! Range/melle.... So tired of "Absorbed ".... "Blocked" Message, whats worse is when they are running away and are still blocking with there backs to you.

Spend over 100k in respecs to find a way to do some sort of damage to a Shield using class in PvP...

I will not even get into the DK abilites...

I do not even bother with DKs and there God mode.

I hope something gets done about this.

Cladius30

blocking should be directional, you should only block what is in front of your shield

Sav72

Right now 6 of us was attacking one, I repeat one , #1... DK with shield (of course) took us forever to kill him after he killed 3 group members.

Getting tired of this.

Suntzu1414

for NB just use Shades.
sit back and wait for them to run out of stam...

seneferab16_ESO

Suntzu1414 wrote: »

for NB just use Shades.
sit back and wait for them to run out of stam...

This.
Save your hard hits for when he runs out of stamina. Use decrease healing abilities wisely (don't start the fight spamming them, then he knows and will be prepared to purge) and couple them with your hard hitters. Don't spam CC because why not, try to plan it.

It's not easy, but doable.

As in, I have seen other people do it.

DenverRalphy

Heaven forbid an actual tank mechanic be effective in PvP!

Drazhar14

They just need to fix block casting. Blocking should make your skillbar turn grey and skills be unusable until you release the block button. After using any attack or skill, there should be a window before you are allowed to block again (even if its half a second, just not instant/nonstop like it is now).

Magdalina

Drazhar14 wrote: »

They just need to fix block casting. Blocking should make your skillbar turn grey and skills be unusable until you release the block button. After using any attack or skill, there should be a window before you are allowed to block again (even if its half a second, just not instant/nonstop like it is now).

That'd probably murder tanks in PvE. And that'd literally murder some of them in vet dungeons.

I don't do PvP, I suck at it so can't judge. However, even if something needs balancing, they should be VERY careful balancing smth in PvP so it doesn't ruin the game in PvE.

tplink3r1

bow(any class):voley.
templar: blazing spear and punc sweep(difficult to hit enemies with it in PvP, but still a valid ability).
NB:Shades.
Sorc:Lightning splash?(not sure)
DK:smash your head on the keyboard and see them dying.

DDuke

Since stamina abilities such as cleave and bombard are directional, why cant blocking be as well?

Some food for thought

dodgehopper_ESO

Because the idea is that you're in defensive mode, and just because they don't have an animation of the Shield bearer pivoting to block rearward attacks, I think that is the intended idea. Holding block is meant to represent defensive mode, and actively using your shield as opposed to passive use. It sucks up your stamina every time you're hit, so there's the balance. Seriously, don't hate on tanks, just because you ran into an Emperor one time with batswarm or standard or Blazing or the like.

DDuke

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Because the idea is that you're in defensive mode, and just because they don't have an animation of the Shield bearer pivoting to block rearward attacks, I think that is the intended idea. Holding block is meant to represent defensive mode, and actively using your shield as opposed to passive use. It sucks up your stamina every time you're hit, so there's the balance. Seriously, don't hate on tanks, just because you ran into an Emperor one time with batswarm or standard or Blazing or the like.

Oh, I don't. I use block often myself in PvP also.

However, I think it'd promote more skill based (and realistic) gameplay (both in PvP and PvE) if block was directional.

Stratti

Rule #1 Do not mess with tank mechanics

You will upset the limited number of tanks.

Also OP you are way wrong . The absorb is a one hand ability not a block. The shield is pretty useless against magic attacks etc . dk also has a reflect spell that last for four seconds and of course green dragon blood.

Honestly I'm not a PvP but as one of the few tanks out there what your suggesting would make it impossible to complete certain trials encounters particularly the Mage

Lionxoft

Stratti wrote: »

Rule #1 Do not mess with tank mechanics

Also OP you are way wrong . The absorb is a one hand ability not a block. The shield is pretty useless against magic attacks etc . dk also has a reflect spell that last for four seconds and of course green dragon blood.

Actually, you're wrong. Combat log (CLS) displays that attacks are absorbed by whichever shield it is. For example, when fighting a sorc your combat log with either show:

"<player name> absorbed <damage> with hardened ward"

or

"<player name> absorbed <damage> with healing ward"

or

"<player name> absorbed <damage> with harness magicka"


When one can create a damage shield stack for nearly their full amount of HP that heals you for your health lost and gives you magicka in return in addition to 50% less damage from spells then there is an issue with the game mechanic.

TheBull

seneferab16_ESO wrote: »

Suntzu1414 wrote: »

for NB just use Shades.
sit back and wait for them to run out of stam...

This.

This is pure comedy.

dgoss11b14_ESO

Drazhar14 wrote: »

They just need to fix block casting. Blocking should make your skillbar turn grey and skills be unusable until you release the block button. After using any attack or skill, there should be a window before you are allowed to block again (even if its half a second, just not instant/nonstop like it is now).

If they fixed animation cancelling, that would fix this issue, but as i've counted ZoS has nearly 100 things to fix, and that's pvp related issues alone.

dgoss11b14_ESO

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Because the idea is that you're in defensive mode, and just because they don't have an animation of the Shield bearer pivoting to block rearward attacks, I think that is the intended idea. Holding block is meant to represent defensive mode, and actively using your shield as opposed to passive use. It sucks up your stamina every time you're hit, so there's the balance. Seriously, don't hate on tanks, just because you ran into an Emperor one time with batswarm or standard or Blazing or the like.

Sorry but if blocking dropped stamina more than 1% per block, then maybe i'd agree with you, but as it is now anyone can block nearly forever. Not to mention there isn't much difference between blocking with a shield and with a stick in this game, so there's that too.

Unknown_poster

Love the whole "reality" based comments. You are playing a fantasy game. I have a magic shield. Whenever I raise it it protects me in all directions. When my arm gets tired (stamina), I lower it. As a dragon knight, I have really big arms.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Sav72 wrote: »

Whats the point in attacking anyone with a shield if they are going to BLOCK every attack!!! Range/melle.... So tired of "Absorbed ".... "Blocked" Message, whats worse is when they are running away and are still blocking with there backs to you.

Spend over 100k in respecs to find a way to do some sort of damage to a Shield using class in PvP...

I will not even get into the DK abilites...

I do not even bother with DKs and there God mode.

I hope something gets done about this.

Get ready to receive a lot of hate. You are right and the people who will hate on you know it BUT you will still get them angry about the prospect that you dont like how OP they are.

Yusuf

Root them somehow (talons, encase, bombard) and autoattack them to get their stamina down.What ive learned to do is encase, constant autohits and lightning flood(synergy important, saves you lots lof magicka). Either they die to the synergy or burn their stam by rolling out and just getting encased by me again.

Stx

Blocking should be only in front of you, and block casting is also pretty lame.

Would make pvp a lot more balanced, and make tanking in pve require more timing. Tanking currently is really boring and easy.

apostate9

Sav72 wrote: »

Whats the point in attacking anyone with a shield if they are going to BLOCK every attack!!! Range/melle.... So tired of "Absorbed ".... "Blocked" Message, whats worse is when they are running away and are still blocking with there backs to you.

Spend over 100k in respecs to find a way to do some sort of damage to a Shield using class in PvP...

I will not even get into the DK abilites...

I do not even bother with DKs and there God mode.

I hope something gets done about this.

I suggest crying on the forums. It might make you feel better. Or l2p.

Super_Sonico

Sav72 wrote: »

Right now 6 of us was attacking one, I repeat one , #1... DK with shield (of course) took us forever to kill him after he killed 3 group members.

Getting tired of this.

Tonight there were 4 of us on one guy marching around with his shield. Nothing could break it. Of course with block casting, he just healed back up instantly. From 1200 hp to 3200 hp in zero time. No CCs stick, ultimates did nothing to break it. Just walked right through the caltrops, right through the burning oil, right through all 4 of us. Yeah, pretty annoying.

Stx

I don't know what other classes can do about it, but on my Nightblade I just fear them out of block and keep Shades on them to drain their stamina. Works pretty good unless they are immune to CC(breaking CC also costs a lot of stamina).

There is a bug where you can block while feared, but I don't see many players doing this.

ExiledKhallisi

They need to make it so Heavy weapon attacks break block

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

apostate9 wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

Whats the point in attacking anyone with a shield if they are going to BLOCK every attack!!! Range/melle.... So tired of "Absorbed ".... "Blocked" Message, whats worse is when they are running away and are still blocking with there backs to you.

Spend over 100k in respecs to find a way to do some sort of damage to a Shield using class in PvP...

I will not even get into the DK abilites...

I do not even bother with DKs and there God mode.

I hope something gets done about this.

I suggest crying on the forums. It might make you feel better. Or l2p.

You are the reason things like this go on for years instead of being fixed. No doubt a player who is a cheap class, using cheap skills and cheap tactics while going on the forums and downplaying situations.

L2p? wait its eso and there is no need... everything is done the same and a unbalanced mess anyways.

Pick the right class, use the right OP methods and pvp or (your l2p) comment turns into just smashing your face into a keyboard making sure you hit the right two keys once and a while and you are = winner.

you should l2beadecenthuman.

drogon1

OP, you're talking about shields, then about dks - which is it?

Anyone can use a shield, and go more defensive, and fire off many abilities behind block. Using a shield with the passives from the skill line will give any class more survivability. But as soon as the stamina runs out...defense is gone. People talk here as if stamina were infinite...not sure what game they are playing.

As for dks, they've been nerfed repeatedly. They remain a strong class in PvP, but they are far from god-mode.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

^ lol.

Sleep

I once saw a DK slowly went into a Keep through the breach hole at the wall alone, chased and attacked by 10+ guys, blocked all the way through, and left the Keep in 2 minutes with full health, leaving a lot of corpes behind.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

^ they not op shut up newb l2p derpcake nub nooby!!!!!! - said every dk.

tordr86b16_ESO

This is getting old.