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AttorneyatlawlCommunity AmbassadorAttorneyatlawl wrote: »I'm not much of a chat bubble fan myself but I don't quite understand the opposition for it. I can see it as a problem if they did not have a toggle option but otherwise it is essentially harmless.
The problem is that like our troll above showed that these type of things wont be optional at all.
It will be like with TS, if you don't use it you are insulted and kicked from groups by the Elitists.
I see the same coming with bubbles, good luck trying to stay in a group if you don't use them - it will be a nightmare.
No one can force you to play their way. You are free to make your own group to play how you want, just as they are and should be free to play how they want to.
A pug is nobody's group. Its a group that comes from the LFG tool.
A PUG means a non-guild group or one formed from zone chat, actually, in normal MMO parlance. If you dislike playing how most people want to play, then you can form your own group... if most group-finder parties you're ending up in are asking you to play how they want, you're probably in the minority. Why do you feel it is fair to ask everyone to play your way, but never let them play theirs?Edited by Attorneyatlawl on September 14, 2014 10:21AM
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✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »I'm not much of a chat bubble fan myself but I don't quite understand the opposition for it. I can see it as a problem if they did not have a toggle option but otherwise it is essentially harmless.
The problem is that like our troll above showed that these type of things wont be optional at all.
It will be like with TS, if you don't use it you are insulted and kicked from groups by the Elitists.
I see the same coming with bubbles, good luck trying to stay in a group if you don't use them - it will be a nightmare.
No one can force you to play their way. You are free to make your own group to play how you want, just as they are and should be free to play how they want to.
A pug is nobody's group. Its a group that comes from the LFG tool.
A PUG means a non-guild group or one formed from zone chat, actually, in normal MMO parlance. If you dislike playing how most people want to play, then you can form your own group... if most group-finder parties you're ending up in are asking you to play how they want, you're probably in the minority. Why do you feel it is fair to ask everyone to play your way, but never let them play theirs?
If someone is using the LFG tool and this is what matters here as I don't care what someone does in his guild or in a chat group that he opens, then he or she has a right to play there.
The tool doesn't demand that you have a DPS meter installed, that you have TS or chat bubbles enabled. Its a free tool for everyone so everyone should be allowed to use it and play.
That whole "I kick you if you don't" is childish and doesn't belong to a healthy and mature community.
What is wrong with people that demand that even those in a pug must follow their rules? Why cant they just accept that the others don't want to play like that?
Do you get kicked if you enable chat bubbles or talk to someone in TS while you play? No you don't, so just take it easy and stop harassing other gamers who are not following your rules.
Sorry but I get so angry about people like you that dictate how others have to play. Its rude and disrespectful. There is something called a "guild" if you want to rule over others then please create one
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✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
Nameplates were too and already in during beta. What's the issue as far as dev time there, then? RP'ers want chat bubbles, pvp/pve'ers want nameplates. What's wrong with both?
No argument from me there. In fact, to me, Nameplates are more important than chat bubbles, but as far as UI/social improvements go, I'll take what I can get. This is at least something to help with the dismal, anonymous-feeling atmosphere.
My only worry is that somehow this will be seen as enough of an improvement, and we won't see nameplates any time soon.
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AttorneyatlawlCommunity AmbassadorAttorneyatlawl wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »I'm not much of a chat bubble fan myself but I don't quite understand the opposition for it. I can see it as a problem if they did not have a toggle option but otherwise it is essentially harmless.
The problem is that like our troll above showed that these type of things wont be optional at all.
It will be like with TS, if you don't use it you are insulted and kicked from groups by the Elitists.
I see the same coming with bubbles, good luck trying to stay in a group if you don't use them - it will be a nightmare.
No one can force you to play their way. You are free to make your own group to play how you want, just as they are and should be free to play how they want to.
A pug is nobody's group. Its a group that comes from the LFG tool.
A PUG means a non-guild group or one formed from zone chat, actually, in normal MMO parlance. If you dislike playing how most people want to play, then you can form your own group... if most group-finder parties you're ending up in are asking you to play how they want, you're probably in the minority. Why do you feel it is fair to ask everyone to play your way, but never let them play theirs?
If someone is using the LFG tool and this is what matters here as I don't care what someone does in his guild or in a chat group that he opens, then he or she has a right to play there.
The tool doesn't demand that you have a DPS meter installed, that you have TS or chat bubbles enabled. Its a free tool for everyone so everyone should be allowed to use it and play.
That whole "I kick you if you don't" is childish and doesn't belong to a healthy and mature community.
What is wrong with people that demand that even those in a pug must follow their rules? Why cant they just accept that the others don't want to play like that?
Do you get kicked if you enable chat bubbles or talk to someone in TS while you play? No you don't, so just take it easy and stop harassing other gamers who are not following your rules.
Sorry but I get so angry about people like you that dictate how others have to play. Its rude and disrespectful. There is something called a "guild" if you want to rule over others then please create one
How is it fair, conversely, to demand that people don't use those tools if they want to? The argument goes both ways there
.daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
Nameplates were too and already in during beta. What's the issue as far as dev time there, then? RP'ers want chat bubbles, pvp/pve'ers want nameplates. What's wrong with both?
No argument from me there. In fact, to me, Nameplates are more important than chat bubbles, but as far as UI/social improvements go, I'll take what I can get. This is at least something to help with the dismal, anonymous-feeling atmosphere.
My only worry is that somehow this will be seen as enough of an improvement, and we won't see nameplates any time soon.
100% agreed with this post. Edited by Attorneyatlawl on September 14, 2014 12:41PM
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Smiteye✭✭✭daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
Nameplates were too and already in during beta. What's the issue as far as dev time there, then? RP'ers want chat bubbles, pvp/pve'ers want nameplates. What's wrong with both?
No argument from me there. In fact, to me, Nameplates are more important than chat bubbles, but as far as UI/social improvements go, I'll take what I can get. This is at least something to help with the dismal, anonymous-feeling atmosphere.
My only worry is that somehow this will be seen as enough of an improvement, and we won't see nameplates any time soon.
Im concerned about that too
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✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »I'm not much of a chat bubble fan myself but I don't quite understand the opposition for it. I can see it as a problem if they did not have a toggle option but otherwise it is essentially harmless.
The problem is that like our troll above showed that these type of things wont be optional at all.
It will be like with TS, if you don't use it you are insulted and kicked from groups by the Elitists.
I see the same coming with bubbles, good luck trying to stay in a group if you don't use them - it will be a nightmare.
No one can force you to play their way. You are free to make your own group to play how you want, just as they are and should be free to play how they want to.
A pug is nobody's group. Its a group that comes from the LFG tool.
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KanedaSyndrome✭✭✭✭Is this confirmed? I want chat bubbles!!!KanedaSyndrome's Suggestions For Game Improvements
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KanedaSyndrome✭✭✭✭If they were really clever, they would not only let us toggle chat bubbles, they would let us set it for /party, /raid, /guild, /say individually
So, pretty awesome, you can filter out zone WTS spam but still see what people roleplay in /say or what your party is saying in dungeons and who are begging for heals KanedaSyndrome's Suggestions For Game Improvements
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✭Ts doesn't identify who is who especially in pugs so yep if they refused to communicate with the feature i would boot them from raid and tell them to go quest and enjoy their immersion and clean ui
Sorry but if you think you are leading a raid of any kind using chat bubbles, even if they were on top of ts, you are sorely mistaken.
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✭Why would RP'rs want chat bubbles? That would be a huge immersion breaker for me.
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Ever been to a big RP party in ESO? It's principally people standing around using /say. THAT's a huge immersion breaker for me - the fact that the game has graphics, but most of the people at the party aren't using them!smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Why would RP'rs want chat bubbles? That would be a huge immersion breaker for me.
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Tamanous✭✭✭✭✭For those who obviously do not bother to read entire post threads before posting:
1. Yes devs have mentioned they may consider chat bubbles ... in the future.
2. YES THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BE TURNED OFF!!! Stop saying no to the idea. You are simply being ignorant and wanting to deny what MANY players want. There will be an option and likely turned off by default as it may be a performance hit. If an option can be turned off ... IT DOES NOT IMPACT YOU!
3. It is very much an RP tool for those who want it. You may have a different stance. Your stance is not the only stance.
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AttorneyatlawlCommunity AmbassadorKanedaSyndrome wrote: »If they were really clever, they would not only let us toggle chat bubbles, they would let us set it for /party, /raid, /guild, /say individually So, pretty awesome, you can filter out zone WTS spam but still see what people roleplay in /say or what your party is saying in dungeons and who are begging for heals For those who obviously do not bother to read entire post threads before posting:
1. Yes devs have mentioned they may consider chat bubbles ... in the future.
2. YES THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BE TURNED OFF!!! Stop saying no to the idea. You are simply being ignorant and wanting to deny what MANY players want. There will be an option and likely turned off by default as it may be a performance hit. If an option can be turned off ... IT DOES NOT IMPACT YOU!
3. It is very much an RP tool for those who want it. You may have a different stance. Your stance is not the only stance.
Those are very basic options that all on the same lines as nameplates should be present. Just as you can set health bars for self/party/etc. now, nameplates and chat bubbles should be toggleable per-channel or activity in the same fashion.
Ever been to a big RP party in ESO? It's principally people standing around using /say. THAT's a huge immersion breaker for me - the fact that the game has graphics, but most of the people at the party aren't using them!smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Why would RP'rs want chat bubbles? That would be a huge immersion breaker for me.
How will you know who is speaking with no nametags? All you'll see is various bubbles floating above 10+ other people in a crowd, for example. I'm not saying this in any sarcastic manner; I'm honestly curious as to the line of thought I have seen there from some people. Name/guild tags are a huge social feature in RP as well by all accounts in other games, since it's not like you're going to recognize someone's face as you do in real life.Edited by Attorneyatlawl on September 17, 2014 12:10AM
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I've seen ZOS posts confirming that chat bubbles are coming, but I haven't seen any that confirm whether they will be something that can be turned off. Having said that, it's a reasonable assumption to make, especially considering the ZOS philosophy towards immersion and minimal UI. I'll be very surprised (and upset) if they implement chat bubbles without the option to turn them off.2. YES THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BE TURNED OFF!!! Stop saying no to the idea. You are simply being ignorant and wanting to deny what MANY players want. There will be an option and likely turned off by default as it may be a performance hit. If an option can be turned off ... IT DOES NOT IMPACT YOU!
That's a good point. I don't want to see chat bubbles, and I don't want to see nameplates (and when I say I don't want to see them I mean that I want them turned off in my own UI - I'm not opposed to the idea of them being in ESO for people who want them), but it seems to me that they should go hand in hand. If they're going to implement chat bubbles, they should really come with nameplates.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »How will you know who is speaking with no nametags? All you'll see is various bubbles floating above 10+ other people in a crowd, for example. I'm not saying this in any sarcastic manner; I'm honestly curious as to the line of thought I have seen there from some people. Name/guild tags are a huge social feature in RP as well by all accounts in other games, since it's not like you're going to recognize someone's face as you do in real life.
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Leijona✭✭✭✭✭How can somebody even want to play with idiots, who try to force someone to use chat bubbles? I won't. Just as I won't play with idiots, who try to tell me how I should play at all.
I can't imagine, that someone has to play with such a bunch of players, because they would find nobody else to play with.
In the stream they told us, that chat bubbles are coming with update 5 ... arrange yourself with it.Edited by Leijona on September 17, 2014 9:20AM -
Techkey1✭✭Personally I have always been in the camp of give me all of the options/features you can give me so that I can choose how I want to go forward. I like it better to have choices than to have no choices, that way if I want to us it I can, and if I don't want to use it I wont. Very simple.
I'm just glad that I am not as easily distracted, being one who has played other mmorpgs, chat bubbles (even all over the screen) have never bothered me or have taken me away from my focus (messed me up). But it has to be understood that everyone is not the same, some people can maintain focus, some people loose focus, some people like a simple ui, some people could care less about a complex ui (don't care if stuff is all over the screen), some people have to conserve PC cpu and gpu power/resources , some people have PC's that can just go all out, and some have used such things to bench how weak/strong their PC is as far as FPS and resolution, whatever, whatever, whatever, lol. All of this and more just makes choice relevant again.
The option of choice involving chat bubbles gives everyone a chance to just do what they like regarding the chat bubble feature. Use it or don't use it. Again, very simple. CP 477 | Dark Elf | Dragon Knight DPS | Ebonheart Pact | Solo Player | No alts
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1. I consider nametags to be conditionally useful. Let's you know who is where, and thus a bit easier to spot a particular person in an uncrowded evironment. That said, to me that isn't really all that important.
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Stroggnonimus✭✭✭NO NO NO AND NO AGAIN. I really hope this isn't true or it will be possible to turn bubbles off. Imagine place like Riften, chat is spammed there and now with chat buubles all screen will be spammed...Whoever said that argonians aren't sexy, is obviously not a sexy argonian.
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PS:purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »It's bad enuff having the chat window there constantly.
You can toggle it offEdited by Patros on October 8, 2014 10:01AMHides-His-Nose DC - EU -
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hushia✭✭I'm not much of a chat bubble fan myself but I don't quite understand the opposition for it. I can see it as a problem if they did not have a toggle option but otherwise it is essentially harmless.
The problem is that like our troll above showed that these type of things wont be optional at all.
It will be like with TS, if you don't use it you are insulted and kicked from groups by the Elitists.
I see the same coming with bubbles, good luck trying to stay in a group if you don't use them - it will be a nightmare.
The difference is pretty obvious. When you are not on TS people can see that and they will have to adapt to you not being on TS.
But NO ONE WILL KNOW whether you're reading from the chat window or the bubbles if they're talking to you, so why the hell should they care?
Seriously, I don't understand these arguments. Some ppl like to read the chat in the chat window, others like to read the chat in a bubble on the screen. Some ppl do not want to see *any* chat and turn it off completely. Bubbles will not change anything. It's just another way to represent chat in the game. And one that you can choose or not. So why care what others prefer?
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AssaultLemming✭✭✭✭Instead of chat bubbles I would much rather be able to create multiple chat Windows and filter different things to them. One window per guild, one for tells, one for say and zone etc.
Not being able to do this is the stupidest design decision ever. Ten years ago EQ had a chat system where this was possible and you could set the window transparency, time to fade, faded transparency etc. Sometimes it's like these developers have never even played an mmo. I mean seriously. One window and everything goes to it? Tabs are useless because you create an either/or situation. Monkeys could have done a better job here.
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hushia✭✭AssaultLemming wrote: »Instead of chat bubbles I would much rather be able to create multiple chat Windows and filter different things to them. One window per guild, one for tells, one for say and zone etc.
<snip>.
That is already possible in the game. I'm using multiple chat windows myself. Did you never notice the small plus sign at the top of the chat window?
Edit: seems like I missed a small part of your post. The way I read it now is that you do not want to use tabs, but instead want to have multiple chat windows visible at the same time. Mhm.. that would work. I wouldn't use it myself, but it seems like a nice addition to the interface.
Edited by hushia on October 9, 2014 7:40AM
