Stage 4 vampire KoS. Towns and npc you already completed quests for become hostile.

raglau

Ragefist wrote: »

Oddly enough, there are ES fans on consoles too. My friend is one of them. We used to play ES:Arena together on his 386 and now he plays Skyrim on Xbox

I played Arena and all games up to Oblivion on PC, then Oblivion on Xb360, now Skyrim and ESO on PC.

Oblivion was not as rewarding on XB only due to lack of addons.

AssaultLemming

This feels like adding a big negative to being a vampire without any additional positives. If we are going to be forced to feed (currently I've never fed and have been stage 4 constantly) it would be nice for feeding to give you a buff, something like the equivalent of the blue food, extra magicka/health for one hour after feeding...thoughts?

BloodStorm

AssaultLemming wrote: »

This feels like adding a big negative to being a vampire without any additional positives. If we are going to be forced to feed (currently I've never fed and have been stage 4 constantly) it would be nice for feeding to give you a buff, something like the equivalent of the blue food, extra magicka/health for one hour after feeding...thoughts?

personally I do not want to be amongst mortals. I think if you want to be in towns then you need to be stage 3 at minimum. Of course they could add a quest or something for players to get stage 5 which would make KoS in towns for those of us that wanted to live, do business in vampire houses instead of towns. Stage 5 would not make vampires stronger though, It would just to trigger towns to make them hostile.

Probitas

I agree the game should not let you walk into towns when obviously a member of the undead or a werewolf. Kinda silly watching all these skeletons traipsing around town. It's worse when someone is obviously a vampire. This is supposed to be something people do not want in their towns, regardless of political leanings, because they still need to drink human blood. The game ought to take that into account.

But babies would cry if it affected their game, so it probably won't happen.

Rhoric

Stop trying to suggest stuff from a single player game (key word - Single) to be added to a MMO. It won't work. It would kill the player base as towns would be ghost towns as the NPCs would be all gone.

Reymas

Love this idea and would love to see it as a part of the justice system. Same deal with Werewolves, if they turn in town NPCs attack them.

That being said, I would also support them extending the time it takes to go from stage 1 to stage 4. Three hours is too short, should be more like twelve.

And in that case I don't see a reason to wait until the area's been completed, just make sure you feed before you go into a populated city with Guards, just like Skyrim.

BloodStorm

Rhoric wrote: »

Stop trying to suggest stuff from a single player game (key word - Single) to be added to a MMO. It won't work. It would kill the player base as towns would be ghost towns as the NPCs would be all gone.

It is really easy to stay lower stages of vampirism. They are adding justice system which means lots of non quest giving Npcs will die a lot. ZoS needs to implement more penalties on vampires somehow. I personally wanted to play Elder Scrolls Online, not Vampire Srolls Online. I personally would stay vampire even if they made it like single player, which means daytime you were really weak.
Once again though these are just ideas for not 50% or more of players being vampires. I think most people can agree something should be done so the game feels more ES like and not just a vampire mmo. Spellcrafting may help with that but not sure. I do not expect ZoS to add lots of things players ask of course, yet but even small details they see or notice from players at the very least gives them possible ideas to grab from in the future. Of course again posts like these are mostly to entertain others.

R1ckyDaMan

AssaultLemming wrote: »

This feels like adding a big negative to being a vampire without any additional positives. If we are going to be forced to feed (currently I've never fed and have been stage 4 constantly) it would be nice for feeding to give you a buff, something like the equivalent of the blue food, extra magicka/health for one hour after feeding...thoughts?

I gave you a LOL for thinking vamps need more positives.

Slaunyeh

Elyna wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Only question is... Why do you want this? In towns or cities, what benefit is there to enact this?

So theres an actual reason to not be a stage 4 vamp 24/7.

Pff. If there's one guy I want in my town it's the vampire who is deliberately not feeding on anyone, rather than the vampire who feeds all the dang time.

WraithAzraiel

murmur wrote: »

KOS would be neat if all NPCs in town would be hostile and available to all vampires to kill. Vampires could unite and kill all NPCs in towns making them ghost towns Then no quest givers, no vendors, no bank etc for anyone until respawn :P

Do pushups.

Stranglehands

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

I don't remember this at all in skyrim. If DLC changed it, there was probably a good reason for it, and I don't see vampires becoming KoS to friendly NPC's in ESO ever.

I would imagine it was to keep the twilight fans they presumably were going for with Dawnguard happy. I mean, how can you expect to RP a sparkly vampire if people are trying to kill you all the time

raglau

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

AssaultLemming wrote: »

This feels like adding a big negative to being a vampire without any additional positives. If we are going to be forced to feed (currently I've never fed and have been stage 4 constantly) it would be nice for feeding to give you a buff, something like the equivalent of the blue food, extra magicka/health for one hour after feeding...thoughts?

I gave you a LOL for thinking vamps need more positives.

I know, I am a vampire and the way I see it there is no reason for the entire population of the game to NOT be vampires. We don't need any buffs, we need some penalties.

We need to feel cursed with a disease, as we actually are, not super-cool and vain.

MornaBaine

AssaultLemming wrote: »

This feels like adding a big negative to being a vampire without any additional positives. If we are going to be forced to feed (currently I've never fed and have been stage 4 constantly) it would be nice for feeding to give you a buff, something like the equivalent of the blue food, extra magicka/health for one hour after feeding...thoughts?

You already get a "buff" for feeding, it alters the stats so that you get more health regen and more resistance to fire. It is already EASY to feed in this game so there really is no excuse for walking into a town at Stage 4 unless you WANT the (hopefully) inevitable conflict of the guards going after you. Even I, the current champion of the "beautify my vampire!" crusade WANTS Stage 4 to be totally NOT concealable and for there to be REAL adverse consequences for letting your vampire get there.

butterfly442

As long as they make towns that kill Khajits on sight and warriors with shields. And those annoying looking mage hats. And anyone that says, "bro".

Then I am cool with it.

WraithAzraiel

Pibbles wrote: »

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

AssaultLemming wrote: »

This feels like adding a big negative to being a vampire without any additional positives. If we are going to be forced to feed (currently I've never fed and have been stage 4 constantly) it would be nice for feeding to give you a buff, something like the equivalent of the blue food, extra magicka/health for one hour after feeding...thoughts?

I gave you a LOL for thinking vamps need more positives.

I know, I am a vampire and the way I see it there is no reason for the entire population of the game to NOT be vampires. We don't need any buffs, we need some penalties.

We need to feel cursed with a disease, as we actually are, not super-cool and vain.

You too, do pushups.

curlyqloub14_ESO

So, if the NPCs in towns become hostile, then, as the game currently works, vampires should be able to feed off those hostile NPCs.

And if mortals want to be able to raid and kill the vampire houses, then in turn vampires should be able to raid and kill the human houses.

Or, we could just leave it alone, because there will be no satisfying everyone.

BloodStorm

curlyqloub14_ESO wrote: »

So, if the NPCs in towns become hostile, then, as the game currently works, vampires should be able to feed off those hostile NPCs.

And if mortals want to be able to raid and kill the vampire houses, then in turn vampires should be able to raid and kill the human houses.

Or, we could just leave it alone, because there will be no satisfying everyone.

well justice system is coming. You will be able to kill non quest giving npcs, steal, and have guards attack you with player bounties. hopefully it turns out well.

Nox_Aeterna

Hopefully , zen devs wont become insane and try to toss their players into the justice system , which includes PvP , out of the blue.

But again , it would not susprise me to see them do another stupid call :P.

GnatB

Pibbles wrote: »

We need to feel cursed with a disease, as we actually are, not super-cool and vain.

*so* this. Vampirism in ESO is usually something you go out of your way to get cured of (once you've done the questlines)

If being KoS is too much of a hassle, there's a cure. Literally. Go get cured.

raglau

GnatB wrote: »

Pibbles wrote: »

We need to feel cursed with a disease, as we actually are, not super-cool and vain.

*so* this. Vampirism in ESO is usually something you go out of your way to get cured of (once you've done the questlines)

If being KoS is too much of a hassle, there's a cure. Literally. Go get cured.

Indeed. And it's not even being suggested as that harsh, it's being suggested as KoS only at level 4. So the 'cure' is to feed, which funnily is one of the core tenets of vampirism. Whereas we now of course have a load of lazy vampires running around at Stage 4 because there's no realistic penalty. I don't even notice once I get to S4, it's so indistinguishable from the other stages.

I don't really understand how ZoS think, they deliver a nerf to a genuine use of Nights Silence set, but a core mechanic is just an afterthought.

kijima

So, this is non vamp/ww players asking for changes that don't effect them.

I'm against anything of the sort.

BloodStorm

kijima wrote: »

So, this is non vamp/ww players asking for changes that don't effect them.

I'm against anything of the sort.

lots of vampires want the change. I was one of the first vampires in early access and want it badly. Creates more immersion and sticks to lore. This being an Mmo though I understand issues with it. Like was said in other posts hopefully the Justice system does well and maybe this idea will fade away or maybe be implemented later. I imagine lots of vampire players will attack towns. If the player bounties are programmed in such a way that it will give hints what zone your target is in, then ya I will be fine with that and many others. We can roleplay and go hide/wait in vampire houses, haha. The possibilities are endless. We can hope the justice system turns out incredible .

MornaBaine

kijima wrote: »

So, this is non vamp/ww players asking for changes that don't effect them.

I'm against anything of the sort.

Actually, from what I have seen it's overwhelmingly been the players of vampires that want something like this.

AlienSlof

I don't want to be 'cured' thanks very much. :P

Bleakraven

AlexDougherty wrote: »

murmur wrote: »

KOS would be neat if all NPCs in town would be hostile and available to all vampires to kill. Vampires could unite and kill all NPCs in towns making them ghost towns Then no quest givers, no vendors, no bank etc for anyone until respawn :P

Stuff that.

If you want the NPC towns to be depopulated, it needs to be in a vampire only instance otherwise you would get teams of vampires making sure the banks and vendors were never accessable.

Otherwise the only option is for them to make it impossible. Actually allowing Vampires (or Werewolves) to depopulate towns would mean a mass exodus from the game.

Unless Vamps and WW would be put a bounty on them by the new justice system and you could prevent them from eradicating a town

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Stranglehands wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

I don't remember this at all in skyrim. If DLC changed it, there was probably a good reason for it, and I don't see vampires becoming KoS to friendly NPC's in ESO ever.

I would imagine it was to keep the twilight fans they presumably were going for with Dawnguard happy. I mean, how can you expect to RP a sparkly vampire if people are trying to kill you all the time

I wouldn't know that their aim was twilight fans, as i've never seen it.

Nox_Aeterna

I disagree with this , it would be really annoying to have to deal with guards each time i want to go to a town.

Granted probably just like in any TES game , by the "endgame" the guards are no longer relevant to the player , but with the justice system that would force us into PvP and that would be totally unacceptable to me personally.

So no , keep the way it is.

Lore wise there is no reason to change even. The player is a vampire lord and thus just like in skyrim , should have no problem with humans.

MornaBaine

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

I disagree with this , it would be really annoying to have to deal with guards each time i want to go to a town.

Granted probably just like in any TES game , by the "endgame" the guards are no longer relevant to the player , but with the justice system that would force us into PvP and that would be totally unacceptable to me personally.

So no , keep the way it is.

Lore wise there is no reason to change even. The player is a vampire lord and thus just like in skyrim , should have no problem with humans.

The player is NOT a vampire lord as depicted in Skyrim. That ability (vampire lord form) is not in this game. I would freaking LOVE it if they'd introduce the various strains of vampirism into the game but thus far it looks like vamps were merely an after thought after they were reminded that vamps have always been part of ES. I am for almost anything that actually not only attaches risk to being a vampire but damn well makes me FEEL like I'm actually playing one. Out of my seven characters ONE is a vampire. When I don't feel like dealing with her vampiness I go play one of the others.