Vampire Player Poll pt 2

MornaBaine

Do you wish there were a way for your vampire to APPEAR as a normal human even though all the same mechanics of the various stages still applied?

bluesodafizz

Yes.

Yes, for some characters I would like that, but I like the look of the vampire on others.

MornaBaine

Yes.

As a roleplayer I think this would make a lot of people happy and allow them to "play" a vampire of the Cyrodillic variety, which in ES lore DO look like normal humans unless they choose to reveal themselves for what they truly are. Werewolves do not have the disadvantage of OBVIOUSLY being what they are and the same should apply to vampires for those players who desire the same option. And yes, I'd be willing to spend another skill point for it.

heyguyslol

Yes.

Yes cuz when I pvp I usually wear a disguise to hide my vampirism from the more naive players. The more advanced players know how to tell if your a vamp or not but I wouldn't feel the need to wear a disguise if we had this option.

Soloeus

No.

I like being able to Identify targets for Silver Bolts, just like I can identify who is in Light or Heavy Armor or who is likely a DK or Sorc by the auras and effects on them.

MornaBaine

Yes.

Soloeus wrote: »

I like being able to Identify targets for Silver Bolts, just like I can identify who is in Light or Heavy Armor or who is likely a DK or Sorc by the auras and effects on them.

I'm sure you do. But you don't know what builds are being used on a non-vamp UNTIL you see some sort of indication in action. Yet with a vamp, you know at first glance. That is, frankly, an unfair advantage.

MornaBaine

Yes.

bluesodafizz wrote: »

Yes, for some characters I would like that, but I like the look of the vampire on others.

I think if you spend a skill point for it in the vampire skill line you should be able to turn it off and on at will.

aipex8_ESO

No.

While lore-wise, well fed vampires are able to blend in with society, they've never looked completely human in other games. The whole gameplay mechanics ≠ lore thing. I would be okay with the skin tone being slightly lighter than normal at stage 1, getting lighter with each stage until completely white (like we see in all stages now) at stage 4. If you are a vampire, you should be recognizable as such though gameplay mechanics even if lore says technically you can pass as human.

ThisOnePosts

Yes.

Soloeus wrote: »

I like being able to Identify targets for Silver Bolts, just like I can identify who is in Light or Heavy Armor or who is likely a DK or Sorc by the auras and effects on them.

You can't tell with masks on.

And to the OP: This poll will never have accurate votes since as you can tell by comments in this thread, people who are not vamps are going to vote no and probably only a small minority of actual vamps will vote no for RP/Lore, etc.. reasons.

Pseudonym

Yes.

Taken from the book Immortal Blood;

Their true name was unknown, lost in history, but they were experts at concealment. If they kept themselves well-fed, they were indistinguishable from living persons.

I see nothing wrong with this lore wise.

ThisOnePosts

Yes.

Pseudonym wrote: »

Taken from the book Immortal Blood;

Their true name was unknown, lost in history, but they were experts at concealment. If they kept themselves well-fed, they were indistinguishable from living persons.

I see nothing wrong with this lore wise.

I agree but that hasn't stopped people from referencing the vampires in Skyrim, etc.. in previous threads of the same topic.

This option should definitely be allowed, but keep in mind there's no option to even change your character's hair let alone anything else atm.

Pseudonym

Yes.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Pseudonym wrote: »

Taken from the book Immortal Blood;

Their true name was unknown, lost in history, but they were experts at concealment. If they kept themselves well-fed, they were indistinguishable from living persons.

I see nothing wrong with this lore wise.

I agree but that hasn't stopped people from referencing the vampires in Skyrim, etc.. in previous threads of the same topic.

This option should definitely be allowed, but keep in mind there's no option to even change your character's hair let alone anything else atm.

Skyrim vampires were under a different infection, even the Volkihar Clan, to the Order's infection; the ancient Cyrodiilic vampires. It isn't stated when that book was written, but they could be talking about a time around the time we're playing in now.

I think they're getting around to letting players change their appearance. There was a ZOS post in another thread about it. Who knows, perhaps they will let us have this too eventually?

dsalter

No.

lore wise the other clans weren't about, opinion wise i prefer the death look but would LOVE for them to make ALL feed stages take 1-2 hours to move onto the next stage.
hate feeding every 30mins

Soloeus

No.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Soloeus wrote: »

I like being able to Identify targets for Silver Bolts, just like I can identify who is in Light or Heavy Armor or who is likely a DK or Sorc by the auras and effects on them.

I'm sure you do. But you don't know what builds are being used on a non-vamp UNTIL you see some sort of indication in action. Yet with a vamp, you know at first glance. That is, frankly, an unfair advantage.

I don't know your build just by seeing you are a Vamp. I am guessing based on other behaviors. If you Stealth a lot, I will assume NB. I will identify Reflective Scales, Boundless Storm and several other easy to detect abilities. If you are Dunmer, I know to use Lightning instead of Fire.

If I see you as a Vamp in PVP, I only know one thing about you:

1. Bats.

So at first glance, I don't know what build you are. I can speculate you might be using Impulse, Dark Talons. But, I don't need to actually see that you are a vamp to know that, I just know that. Seeing that you are a vamp alerts me to potentials but it doesn't ensure me that you will be killed easily with fire + silver bolts.

Vizier

No.

No. If you chose to be a vampire you should look like one according to the stages your in. I'd like to see real negatives to stage 2-4 Vampirism in that people wouldn't want to deal with you. Guards might attack etc.

Especially should make it so Vamps are open season for open world PvP after stage 1...just sayin.

MornaBaine

Yes.

Vizier wrote: »

No. If you chose to be a vampire you should look like one according to the stages your in. I'd like to see real negatives to stage 2-4 Vampirism in that people wouldn't want to deal with you. Guards might attack etc.

Especially should make it so Vamps are open season for open world PvP after stage 1...just sayin.

1. Stage one is ridiculously short and for no real good reason. 2. Stage 3 and definitely Stage 4 vamps should be KOS to city guards but not players. Sorry, in order to be attackable by players they need to do something to trigger the justice system. I will grant that that could be feeding on townies however.

BBSooner

No.

Unless ESO makes the effort to differentiate between the Cyrodiilic strain of vampirism and the rest, I'd prefer the looks to be representative of the more common type. So, that means fairly normal stage one, monsterly by stage 4. Its part of the game - nobody is forced to look like this, the player made the choice.

Id be fine with passives that extend the duration of the stages, but the mechanics and display of the stages should remain the same.

butterfly442

No.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Soloeus wrote: »

I like being able to Identify targets for Silver Bolts, just like I can identify who is in Light or Heavy Armor or who is likely a DK or Sorc by the auras and effects on them.

You can't tell with masks on.

And to the OP: This poll will never have accurate votes since as you can tell by comments in this thread, people who are not vamps are going to vote no and probably only a small minority of actual vamps will vote no for RP/Lore, etc.. reasons.

Pleas link the information source about who voted what way.

Oh, you made it up.

MornaBaine

Yes.

BBSooner wrote: »

Unless ESO makes the effort to differentiate between the Cyrodiilic strain of vampirism and the rest, I'd prefer the looks to be representative of the more common type. So, that means fairly normal stage one, monsterly by stage 4. Its part of the game - nobody is forced to look like this, the player made the choice.

Id be fine with passives that extend the duration of the stages, but the mechanics and display of the stages should remain the same.

I actually completely agree with you on this. If they would make Stage 1 as long as all the others, frankly I'd be pretty satisfied. Having to go feed every hour is FAR preferable to every 20 minutes. But if they could even just give us a cosmetic alteration, whether it just allowed you to keep the LOOK of Stage one while progressing through Stage 2 with no change in the current mechanics, I don't see how that hurts anyone. Even if we could find or purchase or do a quest for an item that would give us a permanent Stage 1 look while the MECHANICS of all 4 stages progressed I'd be happy. Since this is PURELY COSMETIC and does not affect gameplay or PvP combat AT ALL there is really no logical reason to protest it. What I'm sadly seeing an awful lot of is, "I am glad there's something about your character that makes you unhappy and even though it has absolutely zero effect on me I'm going to insist that no one change it because I LIKE that it makes you unhappy. 'Cause, you know, I'm a total D-bag like that."

Darkeus

No.

a vampire must look as a vampire, and by vampires i mean the vampires from Legacy of kain series/Soul reaver not some twilight crap...

MercyKilling

No.

Redundant poll thread is redundant.

It's still entitlement rearing its head. You want to be a pretty Tom Cullen sparklepire instead of a monster.

There already is a way to stop looking like a vampire in the game.

Run the cure mission.

starkerealm

Yes.

Pseudonym wrote: »

Taken from the book Immortal Blood;

Their true name was unknown, lost in history, but they were experts at concealment. If they kept themselves well-fed, they were indistinguishable from living persons.

I see nothing wrong with this lore wise.

Immortal Blood builds heavily from justifying the move away from Morrowind's fractured clan structure.

I do wish we actually had that though. Where you had bloodfiends in each of the provinces (including Cyrodil) that actually had different skill lines.

Of course, then everyone would want the western Skyrim line that (obviously) isn't in game yet, or the Cyrodillic line that appears human in Stage 1.

It would be a design nightmare, though. So, I get why we don't have that.

MornaBaine

Yes.

MercyKilling wrote: »

Redundant poll thread is redundant.

It's still entitlement rearing its head. You want to be a pretty Tom Cullen sparklepire instead of a monster.

There already is a way to stop looking like a vampire in the game.

Run the cure mission.

I "love" this "entitlement" argument. Because I and many others have a large dislike for a simple COSMETIC issue that in no way would affect gameplay should be it changed, in no way would give any sort of additional advantage in PvP, we're whiny entitled people asking for some sort of magic "I win" button? Really people? This is what you're worried about? THIS is why the world is going to hell in a handbasket? Because we voice an opinion about an entertainment system we pay for? THIS is what gets your knickers in a knot? Um no, whiny brats like you who just want to be able to force your own personal bias on others with zero regards for how they feel, look at the issue, and the small fact that it does not affect YOU in any way is why the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

naatokb14_ESO

I seems to me that some people really have this psychic damage thing going on when it comes to characterization options different from ones they choose.
MercyKilling, do you get this bent out of shape about people who choose NB instead of Templar? Or, perhaps you play a NB and really hate Lotus Fan. Do you then have nothing but revulsion for those NB who do use Lotus Fan?

If anyone has an entitlement problem here....I'd say this fits the bill.

JD2013

No.

Not a vampire. But if you choose to infect yourself with vampirism, then there should be some consequence to that. And part of those consequences is that fire isn't your friend, and you don't look quite human.

MornaBaine

Yes.

starkerealm wrote: »

Pseudonym wrote: »

Taken from the book Immortal Blood;

Their true name was unknown, lost in history, but they were experts at concealment. If they kept themselves well-fed, they were indistinguishable from living persons.

I see nothing wrong with this lore wise.

Immortal Blood builds heavily from justifying the move away from Morrowind's fractured clan structure.

I do wish we actually had that though. Where you had bloodfiends in each of the provinces (including Cyrodil) that actually had different skill lines.

Of course, then everyone would want the western Skyrim line that (obviously) isn't in game yet, or the Cyrodillic line that appears human in Stage 1.

It would be a design nightmare, though. So, I get why we don't have that.

I agree that this would be completely awesome but also, sadly, that it would probably be too cumbersome for them to do. Alas.

MornaBaine

Yes.

JD2013 wrote: »

Not a vampire. But if you choose to infect yourself with vampirism, then there should be some consequence to that. And part of those consequences is that fire isn't your friend, and you don't look quite human.

That fire isn't my friend is not at all something I have a problem with. I have no problem at all with the game mechanics and consequent disadvantages leveled against vampires to balance their advantages. That trade off is just fine. What I object to is the complete inability to have my character look the way I wold like them to, something available to every other character class in the game including werewolves who never have to run around in their "monster shape" unless they actually want to.

JD2013

No.

MornaBaine wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Not a vampire. But if you choose to infect yourself with vampirism, then there should be some consequence to that. And part of those consequences is that fire isn't your friend, and you don't look quite human.

That fire isn't my friend is not at all something I have a problem with. I have no problem at all with the game mechanics and consequent disadvantages leveled against vampires to balance their advantages. That trade off is just fine. What I object to is the complete inability to have my character look the way I wold like them to, something available to every other character class in the game including werewolves who never have to run around in their "monster shape" unless they actually want to.

I understand where you're coming from. I do. And even in lore there is, as you have stated, a clan that manage to look human.

However, vampires have been way too humanised by the media, and you are basically infected by a disease. Diseases don't generally leave people looking at their best.

I infected my character with vampirism, immediately cured him. Hated the look of it. Didn't want it. Wasn't bothered by the skill line either.

You get some great new skills in trade for a few down sides. End of the day, you can't have everything that you want. Either play as a vampire and enjoy the skill line it offers, or cure your character. Vampires aren't supposed to be completely human and the look reflects that.

Teiji

Yes.

A cosmetic only change would be great, inspire greater and more organic role-play interactions, making it much, much easier.

Having your vampire character in their non-vampire form / disguise, whilst you interact with role-players that have add-ons installed so they can see you're a vampire anyway, yet because you are visibly changed in-game, It would likely lead to questions about the in-character mechanics of your character if any, as opposed to now where such communication is usually deemed not needed as -
"You're a vampire, I don't role-play with vampires."
regardless of the potential in-character reasoning which may or may not make your vampire character indistinguishable.

This would be a welcome and enjoyable change, that many would and would not use due to you having the choice. This would be a cosmetic only change and has the potential positive benefit for many others experience such as mine.

"Game pay to win! You have buy X in order to play in Y, ZERO faction pride, why is there even a Khajiit merchant in Pact zone!? They don't care even about the lore!"

"You turn vamp, you vamp, I should tell be able that you vamp. If you no like, why be vamp!? Oh, you like be vamp!? Then why complain! Oh, you're not complain? You are simply speaking on a feature which you believe would be helpful and make game interactions more organic and enjoyable for you, maybe others and as usually, at the detriment of others, same-way the explorers pack, loyalty program, imperial edition and business of others is? Well I wish you all le best, I personally don't care and hate all vamps as well as teh people that play le sparkle-sparklers. But each to their own, I'll just ignore you in-game if I ever see you so neither of us may risk a detrimental gaming experience. Have a la good day!"

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If people want to play vampires or not vampires, they should have their choice respected to do so.

If people want to talk about potential game features that may be enjoyed by party X at no detriment to others, they should be able too. In a concise, relevant and respectful manner.

If people want to talk about potential game features that they may NOT enjoy, they should be able to, In a concise, relevant and respectful manner.

SatinJT

No.

I voted no but if they were to burn in the sun with the later stages and could only stay normal human looking when they fed every 20minutes I would change my vote to a yes. if there were no downsides to being a vampire everyone would be one and vampires to my knowledge are not all that common

EDIT
also this is not really the place but I think werewolves and vampires should be treated like Jedi in SWG where if you are seen using your werewolf form or vampire abilities anyone in the fighters guild can start the "hunt" which should be possible with the new justice system that is coming out more RP food for thoguht

kieso

No.

Voted No for my vamp, altho I'm for the stage 1 look because I do like the look. Looking as a normal humans doesn't seem right and as others stating in PVP they like to pay attention to cues to ID vamps.