Not sure I understand...

Dubah

The 1.4 patch noted stated that Veteran Ranks will now go up to 14... Wasn't the plan to get rid of them? Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining or anything just unsure what the point of a VR increase if they are getting rid of them soon. @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ can you shine some light on this a bit?

HaljaNifheim

They already had the core of this patch content coded for VR13 and VR14?
I doubt it is anymore complicated than that.

driosketch

Dubah wrote: »

The 1.4 patch noted stated that Veteran Ranks will now go up to 14... Wasn't the plan to get rid of them? Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining or anything just unsure what the point of a VR increase if they are getting rid of them soon. @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ can you shine some light on this a bit?

Someone mentioned in the other thread it might be so capped players can still earn experience when doing the new content, which will later transfer to the championship system.

Black_Wolf88

they have mentioned many things in the road ahead of their plans and ideas that tehy want to implement. however, this update and possibly more after is something they started working on month(s) ago.
from ideas to planning, creation, testing and implementation takes quite a long time. especially when they make new areas, new mobs, crafting stuff, new bosses and new stories etc.

if or when they are getting rid of the vr system, then im sure that the new vr13-14 will be no different from vr1-12 when it comes to switching over to the new system.

SirAndy

Black_Wolf88 wrote: »

however, this update and possibly more after is something they started working on month(s) ago.

Ser Lobo

I've watched those videos and read every post I can find. The misunderstanding is this:

- They said they were removing Veteran Points, which are an alternate form of experience you gain after hitting VR1.
- They said, quite clearly, that they are not removing Veteran Ranks, which are ranks that exist past 49. In the future, as clarified by Paul Sage, you will earn regular experience points to gain in veteran ranks.

People are just repeating what they heard wrong. Veteran points and veteran ranks are two separate mechanics.

deathmasterl_ESO

I'm thinking they should make a better post detailing the changes that they will be doing towards Veteran Ranks, and the up and coming Champion System. Especially when it comes to Armor, and Weapons, etc.

I say this for a number of reasons, first people are in an uproar over having to recraft gear. Second a lot of people are generally confused as to what is happening and misinformation is directly impacting them in a Negative way.

Either way I see no problem with having to remake gear or anything like that I'm sure I'd do it later on eventually either way. The Perk is I have no Legendary Equipment so I guess that's also why I don't mind. But I also know that they're going to adding a whole lot to the game in the near and far future that will make me want to keep coming back to ESO either way. So in a way anything they do now I don't really care about eventually it'll make the game even better in the long run.

Attorneyatlawl

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I've watched those videos and read every post I can find. The misunderstanding is this:

- They said they were removing Veteran Points, which are an alternate form of experience you gain after hitting VR1.
- They said, quite clearly, that they are not removing Veteran Ranks, which are ranks that exist past 49. In the future, as clarified by Paul Sage, you will earn regular experience points to gain in veteran ranks.

People are just repeating what they heard wrong. Veteran points and veteran ranks are two separate mechanics.

Bolded emphasis mine, and par for the course unfortunately.

Comaetilico

ther eis plenty of detail if you listen to the WHOLE interview in wich they mentioned the veteran system...

what they will get rid of:

the stat point for veteran level (at the moment you gain increased magika, stamina, health and spellpower per veteran rank)

the veteran exp... at the moment once you hit lvl 50 (vr1) you stop accumulating XP but start accumulating veteran point... this is is generating quite a few misunderstanding... for example ring of mara doesn't work with veteran point... also the amount of veteran point you gain is different from the amount of xp you gain (you still get xp at VR but you only use that for leveling skill...)


what they will add:

the champion system will add special passives that you will be able to aquire by using champion point... this will help create diversity (since there is quite a lot of passive to chose from) but those passives will not be world changing making it so that the difference between a low champion level and a high champion level will be much lower than the difference between a VR1 and a VR12


what will be of VR? it will stil be there... and other than the stat per VR level everything else would still be the same... you will still need VR12 to equip item that are VR12...

this is not even everything that theu said... for more info go and listen to that interview... and don't skip here and there... listen to all of it ^^

Sasky

Although, there was this comment on a topic about this very question:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.

That seems to me a pretty definitive statement that they are getting rid of veteran ranks. Regardless, this debate won't be settled one way or another until much closer when they release more information -- possibly not even until it pops up on PTS with the final phase of rolling out the Champion system.

Dubah

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I've watched those videos and read every post I can find. The misunderstanding is this:

- They said they were removing Veteran Points, which are an alternate form of experience you gain after hitting VR1.
- They said, quite clearly, that they are not removing Veteran Ranks, which are ranks that exist past 49. In the future, as clarified by Paul Sage, you will earn regular experience points to gain in veteran ranks.

People are just repeating what they heard wrong. Veteran points and veteran ranks are two separate mechanics.

Lol I didn't read the rest of the posts before responding to this one, so the guy above me has the quote from gina covered, there ya go

Um, im pretty sure you are wrong, nobody heard wrong i even recorded the video of the guys at the eso panel saying exactly that they are getting rid of veteran ranks, go do some research before you swing the you are wrong bat, thank you and have a nice day

SirJesto

Dubah wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I've watched those videos and read every post I can find. The misunderstanding is this:

- They said they were removing Veteran Points, which are an alternate form of experience you gain after hitting VR1.
- They said, quite clearly, that they are not removing Veteran Ranks, which are ranks that exist past 49. In the future, as clarified by Paul Sage, you will earn regular experience points to gain in veteran ranks.

People are just repeating what they heard wrong. Veteran points and veteran ranks are two separate mechanics.

Lol I didn't read the rest of the posts before responding to this one, so the guy above me has the quote from gina covered, there ya go

Um, im pretty sure you are wrong, nobody heard wrong i even recorded the video of the guys at the eso panel saying exactly that they are getting rid of veteran ranks, go do some research before you swing the you are wrong bat, thank you and have a nice day

Post the video and the time where this is said.

I want someone to post something where a developer says "We are removing Veteran Ranks"

SirJesto

Sasky wrote: »

Although, there was this comment on a topic about this very question:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.

That seems to me a pretty definitive statement that they are getting rid of veteran ranks. Regardless, this debate won't be settled one way or another until much closer when they release more information -- possibly not even until it pops up on PTS with the final phase of rolling out the Champion system.

I'll believe it when a developer says so.

Dubah

SirJesto wrote: »

Sasky wrote: »

Although, there was this comment on a topic about this very question:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.

That seems to me a pretty definitive statement that they are getting rid of veteran ranks. Regardless, this debate won't be settled one way or another until much closer when they release more information -- possibly not even until it pops up on PTS with the final phase of rolling out the Champion system.

I'll believe it when a developer says so.

Lol go look for yourself, im not gonna do all your research for you, i simply asked a question if you want to believe something different be my guest, gina bruno is the one who said VR is getting replaced if you dont trust that to be enough im not gonna waste my time tracking all this stuff down that YOU should be tracking down, thats just pure lazy

SirJesto

Dubah wrote: »

SirJesto wrote: »

Sasky wrote: »

Although, there was this comment on a topic about this very question:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Once the Champion System has been fully rolled out, it will replace Veteran Ranks. Don't worry, we'll go into much more detail as we get closer to releasing this new system. It's still being developed, though, so there are still some unknowns.

That seems to me a pretty definitive statement that they are getting rid of veteran ranks. Regardless, this debate won't be settled one way or another until much closer when they release more information -- possibly not even until it pops up on PTS with the final phase of rolling out the Champion system.

I'll believe it when a developer says so.

Lol go look for yourself, im not gonna do all your research for you, i simply asked a question if you want to believe something different be my guest, gina bruno is the one who said VR is getting replaced if you dont trust that to be enough im not gonna waste my time tracking all this stuff down that YOU should be tracking down, thats just pure lazy

Why should I track down something I don't believe was ever said?

I've watched the Quakecon video where this topic was discussed at length by Paul Sage and it was never said they were removing veteran ranks.

I just want those that believe that they are to produce something that says as much.

And don't call me lazy zippy, you look foolish.

killedbyping

Nobody ever stated that Veteran ranks will be removed...
Only the VETERAN POINTS, which will be replaced by normal EXP which is good, because you will keep getting skills EXP while in veteran content.

SirJesto

killedbyping wrote: »

Nobody ever stated that Veteran ranks will be removed...
Only the VETERAN POINTS, which will be replaced by normal EXP which is good, because you will keep getting skills EXP while in veteran content.

That's exactly what I'm saying.
I just wish the mis-information would stop.

TaffyIX

killedbyping wrote: »

Nobody ever stated that Veteran ranks will be removed...
Only the VETERAN POINTS, which will be replaced by normal EXP which is good, because you will keep getting skills EXP while in veteran content.

That is only one of the phases of the conversion from VR's to Champion levels - as Paul alluded to in the video... There will be more phases coming...

Zenimax, please release some solid info so that all this misinformation can disappear.

Sasky

killedbyping wrote: »

Only the VETERAN POINTS, which will be replaced by normal EXP which is good, because you will keep getting skills EXP while in veteran content.

You already do get skills XP while in veteran content. Most addons that you use to see XP gain either a) ignore XP once you hit VR and don't show it or b) possibly the event used by the addon doesn't fire. (I made an xp/vp tracker, but look at the total amount rather than events, so don't know for sure.)

Regardless, it's good to get that confusing split out of the way and use a single pool.

killedbyping wrote: »

Post the video and the time where this is said.

I want someone to post something where a developer says "We are removing Veteran Ranks"

How about a quote saying "We are not removing Veteran Ranks"? (And make sure that it's explicitly clear it is referencing the final phase, when they're fully done with the replacement.)

The whole purpose of the champion system is that VR are not giving enough positive feedback for doing stuff after level cap. Currently with increased VR you get better gear options and better softcaps. One of the things they mentioned is at least part of the gear (the season gear) will ignore VR and just be lv50 requirement, further reducing the VR system -- if the new/better gear released each season is only level 50, what's the point of VR?

As I said before, neither side is going to be convinced until either the developers say something definitive or it shows up on PTS.

Hadria

It's really sad the VR system was nice but all the whining completely ruined what the devs had planned. I feel for the devs no one would give it a chance, everyone just wanted to rush to cap to pvp.

SirJesto

Sasky wrote: »

How about a quote saying "We are not removing Veteran Ranks"? (And make sure that it's explicitly clear it is referencing the final phase, when they're fully done with the replacement.)

Sure, no problem. Listen from 41:30 to 43:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0UUsPRdY5k&list=PLGtuqcQxqHoy1a38fYx1CkebhJf_40Tku&index=4

The final phase is the implementation of the Champion Point system which has nothing to do with Veteran Ranks. (see post below)

SirJesto

TaffyIX wrote: »

killedbyping wrote: »

Nobody ever stated that Veteran ranks will be removed...
Only the VETERAN POINTS, which will be replaced by normal EXP which is good, because you will keep getting skills EXP while in veteran content.

That is only one of the phases of the conversion from VR's to Champion levels - as Paul alluded to in the video... There will be more phases coming...

Zenimax, please release some solid info so that all this misinformation can disappear.

Yes the veteran points to experience points conversion is Phase 2

Phase 3 is the champion point system.

Phase 1 has already happened. (VR content difficulty balancing)

SirJesto

Sasky wrote: »

The whole purpose of the champion system is that VR are not giving enough positive feedback for doing stuff after level cap. Currently with increased VR you get better gear options and better softcaps. One of the things they mentioned is at least part of the gear (the season gear) will ignore VR and just be lv50 requirement, further reducing the VR system -- if the new/better gear released each season is only level 50, what's the point of VR?

Actually the season gear will have NO level requirement.
It will be very difficult to obtain this gear in the current season though.
Obviously those who don't have this gear will need to wear something, so they will be using thier normally crafted or found gear, which obviously still has a VR level.

Dubah

SirJesto wrote: »

Sasky wrote: »

How about a quote saying "We are not removing Veteran Ranks"? (And make sure that it's explicitly clear it is referencing the final phase, when they're fully done with the replacement.)

Sure, no problem. Listen from 41:30 to 43:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0UUsPRdY5k&list=PLGtuqcQxqHoy1a38fYx1CkebhJf_40Tku&index=4

The final phase is the implementation of the Champion Point system which has nothing to do with Veteran Ranks. (see post below)

Ummmmmmm.... I'm confused, nobody said there will be no veteran ranks taken away at all, all they are talking about at 41:30-43:00 is that during phase 2 (Just incase you didn't do research on this either) the veteran points are going to be experience points.... On to my next point, you have a quote above from @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ saying that veteran ranks will be going away, and yet you are still arguing this? You really aren't doing any good at proving your point by bringing in a video that talks about phase 2, not the final phase. Please, try again lol, and attempt to add some intelligence this time

SirJesto

Dubah wrote: »

SirJesto wrote: »

Sasky wrote: »

How about a quote saying "We are not removing Veteran Ranks"? (And make sure that it's explicitly clear it is referencing the final phase, when they're fully done with the replacement.)

Sure, no problem. Listen from 41:30 to 43:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0UUsPRdY5k&list=PLGtuqcQxqHoy1a38fYx1CkebhJf_40Tku&index=4

The final phase is the implementation of the Champion Point system which has nothing to do with Veteran Ranks. (see post below)

Ummmmmmm.... I'm confused, nobody said there will be no veteran ranks taken away at all, all they are talking about at 41:30-43:00 is that during phase 2 (Just incase you didn't do research on this either) the veteran points are going to be experience points.... On to my next point, you have a quote above from @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ saying that veteran ranks will be going away, and yet you are still arguing this? You really aren't doing any good at proving your point by bringing in a video that talks about phase 2, not the final phase. Please, try again lol, and attempt to add some intelligence this time

Um, you have me confused with someone else.

I'm defending the point that VR ranks WILL NOT be removed. Which is said exactly at 42:45

Please don't look foolish talking about others intelligence.

SirJesto

Dubah wrote: »

. On to my next point, you have a quote above from @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ saying that veteran ranks will be going away, and yet you are still arguing this?

Yes I believe what Paul Sage says over Gina.

SirJesto

Dubah wrote: »

You really aren't doing any good at proving your point by bringing in a video that talks about phase 2, not the final phase. Please, try again lol, and attempt to add some intelligence this time

And they talk about all 3 phases in the video.

you sure are bad at this.......

Caph

Dubah wrote: »

The 1.4 patch noted stated that Veteran Ranks will now go up to 14... Wasn't the plan to get rid of them? Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining or anything just unsure what the point of a VR increase if they are getting rid of them soon. @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ can you shine some light on this a bit?

Define "soon" Even if the champion system is coming "soon" (which might be in like 1-6 months?) We need to keep ourself busy till then.:)

Also, this increase allows for current gear tp become less valueable which solves the BoP/BoE and Hard mode trial messup that occured earlier. Also hear dome complains about PvP gear being BoE but that area I wont get in to due to inexperience.

This level cap update game me a much larger interest in continueing with the game

Fyrakin

Well, whats on pts is clearly not phase 2 because I still see VP requirement for next VR. I too don't remember reading anywhere about VR removal and don't quite follow the whole buzz about it.

SirJesto

Fyrakin wrote: »

Well, whats on pts is clearly not phase 2 because I still see VP requirement for next VR. I too don't remember reading anywhere about VR removal and don't quite follow the whole buzz about it.

Let's put it this way, If they removed VR Ranks what would happen to:

A) Gear

and

B ) Crafting as a whole.

They aren't removing Veteran Ranks, and anyone that thinks they are is mis-informed.

Artemiisia

deathmasterl_ESO wrote: »

I'm thinking they should make a better post detailing the changes that they will be doing towards Veteran Ranks, and the up and coming Champion System. Especially when it comes to Armor, and Weapons, etc.

I say this for a number of reasons, first people are in an uproar over having to recraft gear. Second a lot of people are generally confused as to what is happening and misinformation is directly impacting them in a Negative way.

Either way I see no problem with having to remake gear or anything like that I'm sure I'd do it later on eventually either way. The Perk is I have no Legendary Equipment so I guess that's also why I don't mind. But I also know that they're going to adding a whole lot to the game in the near and far future that will make me want to keep coming back to ESO either way. So in a way anything they do now I don't really care about eventually it'll make the game even better in the long run.

well if people really except to have the same gear from now on and forever, they are in for a real wake up call, its called progression.

even if it weren't the veteran ranks being raised to vr14, it will be the upcoming season gear, that needs to be upgraded if they want yellow, so it amazed me that people still live in their little bubble, and thinks that the gear they are using now will be the last set ever made.

but yeah im like you I dont see a problem either with having to remake gear, I actually like it, that I dont have to look the same all the time having the best endgame gear.