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Block system
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✭Um, blocking drains stamina and if you have none...you take a big hit even if you block.
I agree with the 360 is stupid though.Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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✭✭✭I think the 2H skill line should have a block breaker ability, otherwise the block system is really not that bad. it only gets ridiculous when you face a DK spamming green dragons blood with it, otherwise just hit them with light attacks and drain their staminaEdited by Cody on August 9, 2014 8:32PM0 -
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✭✭Can't spam green dragon blood no more . Abilities like rapid strikes and jabs quickly drain the blocker's stam.Caius
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Cody✭✭✭✭✭
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I think some abilities need readjusting, but I don't believe they need any buffs. I witnessed one DK take on an entire group in chillrend last time I played. and he did it constantly.pelletierricb16_ESO wrote: »
Yeah but DK are so weak they need buff...NookyZooky wrote: »
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Piedplat✭✭NookyZooky wrote: »
I think some abilities need readjusting, but I don't believe they need any buffs. I witnessed one DK take on an entire group in chillrend last time I played. and he did it constantly.pelletierricb16_ESO wrote: »
Yeah but DK are so weak they need buff...NookyZooky wrote: »
It was sarcasm
That is ridiculous how a player can just press block and even he turn back to he gain he gain block avantage.
That make me mad how block cheesy, that need a nerf,
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Chuggernaut✭✭✭I could see 270, but 360 is a bit much unless you're a ninja turtle.My comrades have returned. I erect the spine of gratitude. You are a hero today. - Bura-Natoo0 -
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@Piedplathow a guy can block ALL hit in 360? Put the block only at 180 in front arch.
put a stam decrease or like with stealth, a zero regen when blocking.
Damn I hate noob shield.
Only if they do the same for ranged weapons.
Right now, you can get a softlock on a mob/player and turn 180 degrees and you'll fire out your back.
Damn i hate noob weapon.
;-)Edited by SirAndy on August 12, 2014 9:11PM2 -
Azraeel✭✭✭Another rant coming from a pvp perspective, did you take a moment to think how would this affect tanking in dungeons? I guess not, because someone with sword and shield pummeled you to the ground. Well, good luck trying to block 7 enemies, sometimes including a boss, with only 180 degrees.4 -
whvice✭✭✭Strategic Combat Deployment Rule That Works In Both Real Life & Fantasy No #153: Never get yourself surrounded by a mob of enemies with collision, even when you have the ability to block 360 degreesNew troll here3 -
AtriasNaradan✭✭✭there are many things that's not logic here. For example, i can pull a person 15 metres away using dragon knight chain skill, but i can't see someone crouching 10 metres in front of me...uhhh logic where did you go again??0 -
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@Piedplathow a guy can block ALL hit in 360? Put the block only at 180 in front arch.
put a stam decrease or like with stealth, a zero regen when blocking.
Damn I hate noob shield.
Only if they do the same for ranged weapons.
Right now, you can get a softlock on a mob/player and turn 180 degrees and you'll fire out your back.
Damn i hate noob weapon.
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I agree but if the guy block and is back to you, he gain full block bonus...
Damn I hate this mindless system...armata.ca
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Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I would like certain skill lines to have block breakers(Two handed in particular) but you cant take out this 360 degree blocking mechanic. I agree, its stupid, but If a tank cant block in a full circle, they wont be able to tank in dungeons.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NookyZooky wrote: »I would like certain skill lines to have block breakers(Two handed in particular) but you cant take out this 360 degree blocking mechanic. I agree, its stupid, but If a tank cant block in a full circle, they wont be able to tank in dungeons.
They'll till be able to Block, they just have to think while doing it, positioning etc.
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Piedplat✭✭NookyZooky wrote: »I would like certain skill lines to have block breakers(Two handed in particular) but you cant take out this 360 degree blocking mechanic. I agree, its stupid, but If a tank cant block in a full circle, they wont be able to tank in dungeons.
In other game, your back is the weak for one reason "positioning" but in ESO the tank is just throwing his self in the center of the trash and in a lovely voice, say "do me". In pvp is the same.
This is pathetic...
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✭✭✭✭✭NookyZooky wrote: »I would like certain skill lines to have block breakers(Two handed in particular) but you cant take out this 360 degree blocking mechanic. I agree, its stupid, but If a tank cant block in a full circle, they wont be able to tank in dungeons.
In other game, your back is the weak for one reason "positioning" but in ESO the tank is just throwing his self in the center of the trash and in a lovely voice, say "do me". In pvp is the same.
This is pathetic...
in other games, Tanks actually had Mitigation worth a damn.
in ESO, its Blocking or dead.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Azraeel✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »NookyZooky wrote: »I would like certain skill lines to have block breakers(Two handed in particular) but you cant take out this 360 degree blocking mechanic. I agree, its stupid, but If a tank cant block in a full circle, they wont be able to tank in dungeons.
In other game, your back is the weak for one reason "positioning" but in ESO the tank is just throwing his self in the center of the trash and in a lovely voice, say "do me". In pvp is the same.
This is pathetic...
in other games, Tanks actually had Mitigation worth a damn.
in ESO, its Blocking or dead.
Most of the people that want it reduced to 180 do not use sword and shield, and have never tanked a veteran dungeon before. They don't know that a heavy attack from the large melee enemies can literary one shot you. Without having a mass taunt, you would end up having to keep an eye on each and every enemy, plus, watch out for those heavy attacks...2 -
Piedplat✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »NookyZooky wrote: »I would like certain skill lines to have block breakers(Two handed in particular) but you cant take out this 360 degree blocking mechanic. I agree, its stupid, but If a tank cant block in a full circle, they wont be able to tank in dungeons.
In other game, your back is the weak for one reason "positioning" but in ESO the tank is just throwing his self in the center of the trash and in a lovely voice, say "do me". In pvp is the same.
This is pathetic...
in other games, Tanks actually had Mitigation worth a damn.
in ESO, its Blocking or dead.
Most of the people that want it reduced to 180 do not use sword and shield, and have never tanked a veteran dungeon before. They don't know that a heavy attack from the large melee enemies can literary one shot you. Without having a mass taunt, you would end up having to keep an eye on each and every enemy, plus, watch out for those heavy attacks...
My desapointement is more for pvp than pve(I never did pve) and I seen in several game where skill have different maner in pve and pvp. Block should be 180 degree in pvp and stay 360 in pve.
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ghengis_dhan✭✭✭I think people don't really think through their observations when looking at a game. You do realize that games like this are abstractions.
Tamriel is the largest continent on the planet Nirn. If you compared it to real life, it would be about the size of Asia, but in the game you can ride a horse across the game map in a couple of days game time. The cities would have tens of thousands of people; instead, you see maybe a hundred or fewer NPCs.
In real life, you cannot block in 360 degrees. In the game, you can. Why? Because it is an abstraction. If you translated a battle with 3 bandits to the real world, it would be as if you were battling 300+ bandits. And instead of the battle lasting less than a minute, it would take hours. (This is why many of the NPCs are amazed at your battle prowess.)
Or if this makes you feel better, think of your shield as being "magickal". We have talking crows, sticks that shoot fire, cat and lizard people who carry a decent conversation, and gems that turn you into a skeleton or goblin
Take away the 360 shield protection when an enemy player cannot run through you to hit you from the back side. Because that is what will happen, and blocking will become pointless.Edited by ghengis_dhan on August 16, 2014 4:02AM"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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✭Chuggernaut wrote: »I could see 270, but 360 is a bit much unless you're a ninja turtle.
I am Raphael, I get to keep 360 blocking. I am fine if everybody else loses it.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
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that could work. as long as tanks can still block full 360 in dungeons. I have used a tank for a few dungeons, and there are many times I would have died if not for the full 360 block. and usually, if the tank dies, everyone else is fudged.xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »NookyZooky wrote: »I would like certain skill lines to have block breakers(Two handed in particular) but you cant take out this 360 degree blocking mechanic. I agree, its stupid, but If a tank cant block in a full circle, they wont be able to tank in dungeons.
In other game, your back is the weak for one reason "positioning" but in ESO the tank is just throwing his self in the center of the trash and in a lovely voice, say "do me". In pvp is the same.
This is pathetic...
in other games, Tanks actually had Mitigation worth a damn.
in ESO, its Blocking or dead.
Most of the people that want it reduced to 180 do not use sword and shield, and have never tanked a veteran dungeon before. They don't know that a heavy attack from the large melee enemies can literary one shot you. Without having a mass taunt, you would end up having to keep an eye on each and every enemy, plus, watch out for those heavy attacks...
My desapointement is more for pvp than pve(I never did pve) and I seen in several game where skill have different maner in pve and pvp. Block should be 180 degree in pvp and stay 360 in pve.
Though it would be nice if sneak attacks were unblockable, would make using mark target a lot easier.
Edited by Cody on August 18, 2014 4:08AM0 -
Soliss✭✭✭ghengis_dhan wrote: »In real life, you cannot block in 360 degrees. In the game, you can. Why? Because it is an abstraction.
Yes it's a computer game with magic and crap. But there are certain bits of expected reality that we tend to expect. Like gravity. Like not being able to see through walls. Fire burns. Ice freezes and not the other way around. It just gets coded into the game, so we aren't just all floating around in space.
Blocking in 360 just isn't plausible. Maybe if it was magical blocking or something. However, it is in by design. Could they remove it? Sure! I think they ought to. Positional awareness should mean more in this game.
I also think armor mitigation should mean more in this game also. Holding down the block key and occasionally casting an ability/taunt through it, shouldn't be all there is to it.
Tanking in this game is some of the easiest I've seen in an MMO. You don't even need a tank most of the time anyway.
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Srugzal✭✭✭✭✭Strategic Combat Deployment Rule That Works In Both Real Life & Fantasy No #153: Never get yourself surrounded by a mob of enemies with collision, even when you have the ability to block 360 degrees
The first thing that goes out the window in combat is silly rules like this. As they say, *** happens.Edited by Srugzal on August 18, 2014 5:33AM0 -
rendolpheb16_ESO✭✭✭Agree 360 degrees blocking is r3tard. Getting to 180 will add more depth in this game and positioning will mean something ...Edited by rendolpheb16_ESO on August 18, 2014 2:03PMFor Templar PvP video check my youtube channel
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Earn it.
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