Feature/Content list, ESO vs Skyrim TES V.

stefanosbekrwb17_ESO

So in Skyrim you:

• Kill the majority o NPCs, Steal from them, Loot their armor/weapon/gold
• Build Houses
• Keep powerful quest items for yourself, or kill the questgiver and keep em or in some occasions complete the quest then kill the questgiver and get the item from him.
• Join controversial guilds with immersive and epic quests like Dark brotherhood or thieves guild.
• Go to Mages school and feel like Harry Potter.
• Kill dragons with you bare hands.
• Take the dragons skin and craft a powerful armor.
• Quests you did were awesome never bore you and never make you feel like grinding (like the kill 5 of these or collect 8 of these in ESO)

In ESO you:

• Play with others, fun group content.
• Be a Vampire/Werewolf
• Theres Massive PvP
• Some Minor Interaction with items around in the world.
• All quests you do are about you saving a group of people/community, theres no diversion, the side quests are nothing more than kill 5 rats with some voice over to make you feel a bit more immersed
• ...Thats all.

Honestly, would you still play the game if it didnt have the TES ticket on it?

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

is this thread for real?

stefanosbekrwb17_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

is this thread for real?

whats wrong with it? is there something inaccurate ?

KhajitFurTrader

"It's not denial, I'm just very selective about what I accept as reality."

-- Calvin & Hobbes

Rosveen

stefanosbekrwb17_ESO wrote: »

[*]Go to Mages school and feel like Harry Potter.

Lol. You got a little carried away here.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Ulrike (my skyrim khajiit) had like no magic abilities, and she was leader of the college of magic. It always irked me that it was so easy in skyrim.

Technically, I think you could have done that with thieves guild too, but I can't remember for sure.

Xiroku

You're comparing a highly modable single player game to a pay to play MMORPG.

Why?

Tapio75

Why compare Skyrim to ESO?

-We were promised more of an TES, less MMO
-They are the same universe, same game series
-We have landscapes from older games
-ESO claims to be TES, is it other than skin?
-list goes on

Anyways, i dont get it why they had to add just another MMO to allready too crowded MMO genre with frankly very similar games with similar quests and so on. They should have take the more sandbox aproach and pretty much ignore MMO players since MMO platers tend to jump to newest game when it launches.

They had an opportunity to make something new, a MMORPG instead of MMO. A game where we can go anywhere, be who we want to be. do what we want. Have quests that have real consequences (NPC's yelling hooray is not much of an consequence)

Why did they had to do it so much of an MMO. There is plenty of similar MMO's out there that allready cater to players who love that genre, not the universe itself.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Tapio75 wrote: »

Why compare Skyrim to ESO?

-We were promised more of an TES, less MMO
-They are the same universe, same game series
-We have landscapes from older games
-ESO claims to be TES, is it other than skin?
-list goes on

Anyways, i dont get it why they had to add just another MMO to allready too crowded MMO genre with frankly very similar games with similar quests and so on. They should have take the more sandbox aproach and pretty much ignore MMO players since MMO platers tend to jump to newest game when it launches.

They had an opportunity to make something new, a MMORPG instead of MMO. A game where we can go anywhere, be who we want to be. do what we want. Have quests that have real consequences (NPC's yelling hooray is not much of an consequence)

Why did they had to do it so much of an MMO. There is plenty of similar MMO's out there that allready cater to players who love that genre, not the universe itself.

the things you want are in single player games, mmos have limitations due to the MM part.

Just go play morrowind, it continues to be awesome. It's not like Skyrim was even the best in the series.

Annomaander_Rake

Im not sure why your complaning seeing as how skyrim is readily available with thousands of beautifully done mods and expansions, I've logged over 1100 hours into sky rim on one character and there is still more that can be done. ESO is an excellently done MMO and the PVP isn't just massive its fantastic (albeit a bit broken due to FPS and lag issues). what boggles my mind is why you are playing a game you seem to detest or simply not acknowledging that you do like besides its flaws you pointed out, many of which i don't agree with. In an MMO no one player is overly important, at least they shouldn't be until they've accomplished something of note, IE emperor. i look at myself as just another soldier in the war trying to make my mark on the world. if you want to be the dragon born then i suggest going to the game that gives you that instead of making a comparison based on unfounded opinions. this of course is just my opinion and advice.

Tapio75

Really? Are people stupid or what is it? These limitations you talk are in everybodys head. They are not real. Devs have been using these excuses for a decade now, MMO market is stagnant, stale. Every game is basically designed the same way, yet every game has huge expectations which they wiull never fill untill they sway away from genre.

EVE, SWG, Ultima online are great examples how game can be done well and still keep it going year after year. Maybe not with greatest subscription bases but they are safely on the market.

Why? Because they cater to specific type of persona, a player who has certain expectations and wishes how and where he or she wants to play. They dont try to cater to everyone. How can any MMO that tries to cater to everyone be any good since there is 30+ other games with just different skin.

You really think people are still happy after a year when everyone is done the tunnelrun qand has nothing else to do. You can do all the quests with 1 character, what after that?

-You cant start doing quests anywhere else, you are always restricted to same limited tunnel.
-Your choices in quests dont change anything
-You can be vampire or werewolf but thats just a line of skills after initial quest, they dont have much opportunity to play as evil and so forth.

freespirit

stefanosbekrwb17_ESO wrote: »

So in Skyrim you:

• Kill the majority o NPCs, Steal from them, Loot their armor/weapon/gold
• Build Houses
• Keep powerful quest items for yourself, or kill the questgiver and keep em or in some occasions complete the quest then kill the questgiver and get the item from him.
• Join controversial guilds with immersive and epic quests like Dark brotherhood or thieves guild.
• Go to Mages school and feel like Harry Potter.
• Kill dragons with you bare hands.
• Take the dragons skin and craft a powerful armor.
• Quests you did were awesome never bore you and never make you feel like grinding (like the kill 5 of these or collect 8 of these in ESO)

In ESO you:

• Play with others, fun group content.
• Be a Vampire/Werewolf
• Theres Massive PvP
• Some Minor Interaction with items around in the world.
• All quests you do are about you saving a group of people/community, theres no diversion, the side quests are nothing more than kill 5 rats with some voice over to make you feel a bit more immersed
• ...Thats all.

Honestly, would you still play the game if it didnt have the TES ticket on it?

Yes

Tabbycat

You obviously have not done the Mage's Guild quest line with Sheogorath.

Or helped an Argonian turn into a Crocodile.

Or accidentally turned some poor schmuck into a Goblin.

Are we playing the same game?

GreySix

stefanosbekrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Honestly, would you still play the game if it didnt have the TES ticket on it?

Nope. Not a chance in Oblivion.

kip_silverwolf

Why compare TESO to Skyrim? I mean seriously, just why?

Apart from the fact that one is a MMO & the other a single player game, Skyrim is only ONE game out of the ES series...there are another 4 which are different to Skyrim... (for those who don't seem to be aware of this)

stefanosbekrwb17_ESO

kip_silverwolf wrote: »

Why compare TESO to Skyrim? I mean seriously, just why?

Apart from the fact that one is a MMO & the other a single player game, Skyrim is only ONE game out of the ES series...there are another 4 which are different to Skyrim... (for those who don't seem to be aware of this)

simply because is the latest of the single player series, i know for some might not be as good as oblivion for example but i find it more fair comparing the last tes game(eso) with the previous one (skyrim) to see how and if the series progresses and if the devs take player feedback seriously.

OrcLady

stefanosbekrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Honestly, would you still play the game if it didnt have the TES ticket on it?

No

kip_silverwolf

stefanosbekrwb17_ESO wrote: »

kip_silverwolf wrote: »

Why compare TESO to Skyrim? I mean seriously, just why?

Apart from the fact that one is a MMO & the other a single player game, Skyrim is only ONE game out of the ES series...there are another 4 which are different to Skyrim... (for those who don't seem to be aware of this)

simply because is the latest of the single player series, i know for some might not be as good as oblivion for example but i find it more fair comparing the last tes game(eso) with the previous one (skyrim) to see how and if the series progresses and if the devs take player feedback seriously.

I don't find it fair at all to compare TESO with Skyrim, regardless of it being the latest in the SP ES series, as TESO contains elements of ALL the ES games. (IMO it's like playing all 5 rolled into one), as well as being an MMO.

In fact, why compare at all? TESO is not ES6 (that won't be out for another couple of years yet) and it's developed by Zenimax not Bethesda Softworks.

As to player feedback, the devs do take constructive criticism/ideas seriously so you're better off putting any you have forward in a concise manner, rather than comparing apples & oranges.

ers101284b14_ESO

Maybe they should make it more like Skyrim. I mean they already charge us another $20 to be Imperial. Why not go the full Bethesda route and charge another $20 for housing, and another $20 for Vampire content, and another $20 for WereWolf, and another $20 for each zone. Then instead of attempting to fix things every 2-3 weeks they can promise us it will be fixed within 6 months and 3 years later the game could still freeze because you moved, logged on, swam, killed an enemy, talked to someone, then erase everything you did corrupt the data and then make you start over from the beginning. So then they promise to fix those issues but then instead charge you another $10 for horse armor then another $20 for PVP.

I mean its already on its way to being like Skyrim anyway since the whole game can be played alone and any attempt at creating group content is so vastly despised that Zenimax is forced to make it soloable, and any attempt at challenging content is complained about til it gets nerfed to the point that a 2 year old monkey can beat it by throwing its feces at the keyboard.

kip_silverwolf

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

I mean its already on its way to being like Skyrim all five of the SP ES games anyway since the whole game can be played alone

fixed it for you

NadiusMaximus

Skyrim socks compared to the other in the series. It's pretty, that's it. It's watered down, easy mode, no thought put into a build.... Blah blah. .. Everyone knows it. You can't compare it.

BBSooner

stefanosbekrwb17_ESO wrote: »

In ESO you:

• Play with others, fun group content.
• Be a Vampire/Werewolf
• Theres Massive PvP
• Some Minor Interaction with items around in the world.
• All quests you do are about you saving a group of people/community, theres no diversion, the side quests are nothing more than kill 5 rats with some voice over to make you feel a bit more immersed
• ...Thats all.

Honestly, would you still play the game if it didnt have the TES ticket on it?

- Lay siege to a fort/city with more than an army of 12 people.
- Have a detailed and customizable crafting system (by comparison)
- Explore areas of Tamriel previously unexplored in TES
- Turn in to a monkey
- Participate in content that can actually be considered "challenging" (by comparison)
- Expose more players to the depth of lore found within the series by creating content that explores the history of TES
- etc.

But I get it. ESO isn't "Skyrim 2: Revenge of the Dragons" so people are bound to not be happy.

GreySix

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

Skyrim socks compared to the other in the series. It's pretty, that's it. It's watered down, easy mode, no thought put into a build.... Blah blah. .. Everyone knows it. You can't compare it.

Interesting synopsis. Disagree. I've replayed Skyrim several times, even without mods - and I enjoy myself immensely each time I do.

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Holy Jeebus I don't think I could be more sick of people thinking skyrim is tes....It's not. Skyrim was by far the worst es game ever made.

KhajitFurTrader

Tapio75 wrote: »

Really? Are people stupid or what is it? These limitations you talk are in everybodys head. They are not real. Devs have been using these excuses for a decade now, MMO market is stagnant, stale. Every game is basically designed the same way, yet every game has huge expectations which they wiull never fill untill they sway away from genre.

I suggest you take up CS, learn how to program C++, and get a job in the industry. Try to work on single player titles first, then go for MMOs. After you have a few published titles under your belt, come back here again and tell us more about how we are stupid, and how the limitations are only imagined.

But who knows, maybe you could be the one who finds a way to overcome these limitations, and revolutionize the genre. We'd be eternally grateful.

AlexDougherty

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

the things you want are in single player games, mmos have limitations due to the MM part.

Quoted for Truth

MMOs have limitations due to having large numbers access via servers, if they tried to make it like the Single Player Games, then it would crash after 5 seconds. Not a good idea for a game.

Tonnopesce

soooooooo.....
you miss dragons? go fight a tytan daedra ( dunno the name correct) and if you kill him alone.. you have the right to feel epic...
the mages guild in skyrim was all about an acient relic and stuff in this game you go against a daedric lord
the figters guild in sky was about people turned in to puppies that fight people who dont like pupies.. in teso you are in the middle of a epic daedric fight...( lack of ideas zos?)
btw the thieves guild will be added with another story line as the dark brotherhood they will add criminal and guard in game minigame (active pvp)
wany more? there is more just play the game....

dsalter

stefanosbekrwb17_ESO wrote: »

So in Skyrim you:

• Kill the majority o NPCs, Steal from them, Loot their armor/weapon/gold
• Build Houses
• Keep powerful quest items for yourself, or kill the questgiver and keep em or in some occasions complete the quest then kill the questgiver and get the item from him.
• Join controversial guilds with immersive and epic quests like Dark brotherhood or thieves guild.
• Go to Mages school and feel like Harry Potter.
• Kill dragons with you bare hands.
• Take the dragons skin and craft a powerful armor.
• Quests you did were awesome never bore you and never make you feel like grinding (like the kill 5 of these or collect 8 of these in ESO)

In ESO you:

• Play with others, fun group content.
• Be a Vampire/Werewolf
• Theres Massive PvP
• Some Minor Interaction with items around in the world.
• All quests you do are about you saving a group of people/community, theres no diversion, the side quests are nothing more than kill 5 rats with some voice over to make you feel a bit more immersed
• ...Thats all.

Honestly, would you still play the game if it didnt have the TES ticket on it?

this was a pitiful attempt at pissing people off, honestly try harder.

for starters point 1 is already being intigrated slowly, point 2 is a while away, point 3 is something i'd rather NOT have in ESO as seeing 50+ people using Wabbajack would be totally pathetic ES wise, 4 was a joke in morrowind you had REPUTATIONS which impacted who would like you and who would hate you soley on who you were, what guilds you were part of etc ESO's is similar to skyrims.

point 5 was just the saddest part of the attempt, point 6 and 7 were skyrim exclusive, oh and it was dragon SCALES and BONES. not skin.
point 8 is meh it's kind of true but at the same time it's not. just depends on which quests you did

dsalter

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

Holy Jeebus I don't think I could be more sick of people thinking skyrim is tes....It's not. Skyrim was by far the worst es game ever made.

actually i think oblivion was worse, just skyrim was made more casual, otherwise hands down oblivion was the worst

Raash

stefanosbekrwb17_ESO wrote: »

So in Skyrim you:

• Kill the majority o NPCs, Steal from them, Loot their armor/weapon/gold
• Build Houses
• Keep powerful quest items for yourself, or kill the questgiver and keep em or in some occasions complete the quest then kill the questgiver and get the item from him.
• Join controversial guilds with immersive and epic quests like Dark brotherhood or thieves guild.
• Go to Mages school and feel like Harry Potter.
• Kill dragons with you bare hands.
• Take the dragons skin and craft a powerful armor.
• Quests you did were awesome never bore you and never make you feel like grinding (like the kill 5 of these or collect 8 of these in ESO)

In ESO you:

• Play with others, fun group content.
• Be a Vampire/Werewolf
• Theres Massive PvP
• Some Minor Interaction with items around in the world.
• All quests you do are about you saving a group of people/community, theres no diversion, the side quests are nothing more than kill 5 rats with some voice over to make you feel a bit more immersed
• ...Thats all.

Honestly, would you still play the game if it didnt have the TES ticket on it?

I can add a little something to that list i think:

Skyrim:

*war between stormcloaks and imperial legion
*Explore the world as you like, go where you want to go.
*"Different story" each time you start a new char - a mage and going mage guild career, make a thief & go thievs guild etc.

ESO:
*You never see/encounter opposing faction members unless in Cyrodiil mini game
*Rollercoaster A to B to C gameplay from zone to zone in absurdum= no exploration, just the little game of "where is that skyshard" wich kind of is destroyed with the nifty addons showing you where they are.
*Same route every time you make a char - go all guilds or be gimped.

Tapio75

The worst for me propably is.

-I cant explore in true exploration fashion, even in one zone. I am limited by levels
-Same story every time i play. NPC guilds are worst. Guildmaster is everywhere at the same time, story is exact same.. I mean it SHOULD change with faction even when guild are not allied with factions they should have different people, different quests and so on, only the goals should be the same.
-Veteran levels either ruin it all or you dont play them. When you done Veteran quests, you have done it all. Why make a different character when there is nothing new in story point of wiev. Naturally in MMO fashion there is this argument to try new builds but thats not what TES is. TES alt (For me at least) is always about WHO YOU ARE. Creating your own story. Be part of companions, Becromancer in a secluded lair. Go full Darkbrotherhood, assassinate people, be evil. Be vigilant of Stendarr (Skyrim) and be lawfully good, a knight.

Go to some underground ruins ALONE, sneaking through enemies to find out what is in the end. In this game, i understand the need to do stuff with other people. I love that. I JUST WANT TO CHOOSE with WHO i do stuff, whether i try to solo or bring my own group. Not go to dungeons where adhd players jump around like bunnies, kill everything in sight with no regard to immersion.

More immersion is to be expected from game claiming to be part of TES, less MMO is to be demanded.