Morag Tong or Dark Brotherhood (or both)?

Delte

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Delte wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

They are unllikely to do the Morag Tong since it is a single faction cult.

They have promised us the Dark Brotherhood though.

Why not make other single faction cults?

They already have the start of them in the game lore with the Eyes of the Queen and the Daggerfall Blades. All they would need to do is to flesh it out some more and make them a joinable faction for players with its own skill line.

Because each cult would require it's own storyline, were as the Dark Brotherhood will be the same story with the odd tweek for faction-based locale, like what the Fighters guild and Mages guild do.

Basically single faction cults like the Morag Tong would triple the work load for the same payout for ZOS.

And that would be a bad thing for them in the long run?

Obscure

As much as I would love to be an honored executioner in service to Morrowind in the name of the webspinner Mephala, holy anticipation of Vivec, I doubt there would be two assassin fraternities presented for ESO.

The Dark Brotherhood represents the murder-for-hire element on a broader scope than the Morag Tong. Very few agents operate outside of Morrowind in the Morag Tong, not because such things are beyond them but simply because other provinces deem their actions just as illegal as the Dark Brotherhood's.

Perhaps in terms of the legal system we'll see the Morag Tong as the enforcers of the law, rooting out Assassins and Thieves, executing them in the street like the refuse they are. This would feed into the justice system for Morrowind, with the same mechanics, different background, but the X vs Y concept every faction will have will be there. In the Covenant they may call them Agents, in the Dominion they may call them Eyes of the Queen, and in Morrowind they can call them the Morag Tong. In each case you'd have players sanctioned by the Province to exact justice by the law of the land.

...that and Morag Tong executioner has a much better ring to it than "Guard". I nerd my pants just thinking about it.

Enkil

AlexDougherty wrote: »

They are unllikely to do the Morag Tong since it is a single faction cult.

They have promised us the Dark Brotherhood though.

The Morag Tong need not be a single faction guild. It was the Assassin guild for the whole of Tamriel before some of its own members founded the Dark Brotherhood.

Read Fire and Darkness: The Brotherhoods of Death for more info.....

"Both the Morag Tong and its hated child, the Dark Brotherhood, are scrupulous about leaving no evidence behind ...."

"The Morag Tong spread quietly throughout Tamriel in the early years of the second era, worshipping Mephala and Sithis with blood, as they had always done."

"When the Morag Tong assassinated the Emperor Reman in the year 2920 of the first era, and his successor, Potentate Versidae-Shae [sic] in the 324th year of the second era"

ESO takes place in 2E 582

There is potential to show, and allow players to participate in, the struggle between the two factions. ESO takes place when the DB was just getting going, and the Morag Tong was starting to rebuild after being outlawed for assassinating an Emperor. They could share a skill line, but have different quests and stories, depending on which you join. The choice of joining opposing factions is common in Elder Scrolls games.

Enkil

More opinions???

Iago

I think they should both be join-able, it would be a lot of fun,

Malcations

did nobody else notice that they have 3 types of shields. but brotherhood gear will be end game gear.. INCOMING LIGHT MEDIUM AND HEAVY SHIELDS!

kazeweaver

isn't the morag tong only allowed to operate in morrowind? They wouldn't be allowed to work in every zone

Kiljaz

I'd love a Morag Tong Motif... looks SOOO much better than anything else currently in they game that we can wear.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

They'll only add DB, since its tamriel-wide and MT is primarilly Morrowind-wide.
but MT for me any day of the week + their armor is dope

Lord_Draevan

Pretty sure the Dark Brotherhood's already been hinted in-game. When you do the last quest with Naryu Virian in Eastmarch, she tells you how the Morag Tong has to deal with a "rival guild" which can only be the Dark Brotherhood, unless ZOS in planning on inventing a brand new assassin guild.

Enkil

Naryu Virian wants all of us to to join Morag Tong..

SHADOW2KK

skeletorz_ESO wrote: »

I'm willing to bet that the Dark Brotherhood will be a playable guild faction with it's own skill line. During it's series of quests, the DB's enemies will be the Morag Tong. So they will likely just be NPCs.

Gotta agree mate, Dying for the DB and MT tbh, used to really hate the DB in Morrowind, and actively tried my best to annhiliate them through the games till Oblivion lol, cant wait

nine9six

Would rather join the MT, but I bet it's the DB that is added.

SHADOW2KK

TBH I think both will be introduced, and as others have said, DB is very popular, and you cant have one without the other, as both factions hate each other, remember the lore book, Brothers of Darkness, there was a shadowy war going on, I think, that you will be able to join a faction, and carry out operations against, say the MT.

Or...to keep both sides happy, let you join either side, and part of the mission structure is taking out the other side.

dodgehopper_ESO

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

TBH I think both will be introduced, and as others have said, DB is very popular, and you cant have one without the other, as both factions hate each other, remember the lore book, Brothers of Darkness, there was a shadowy war going on, I think, that you will be able to join a faction, and carry out operations against, say the MT.

Or...to keep both sides happy, let you join either side, and part of the mission structure is taking out the other side.

Which sounds like something mephala and sithis would like to have happen.

SHADOW2KK

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

TBH I think both will be introduced, and as others have said, DB is very popular, and you cant have one without the other, as both factions hate each other, remember the lore book, Brothers of Darkness, there was a shadowy war going on, I think, that you will be able to join a faction, and carry out operations against, say the MT.

Or...to keep both sides happy, let you join either side, and part of the mission structure is taking out the other side.

Which sounds like something mephala and sithis would like to have happen.

Hehe aye exactly, keeps in with the lore does it not?

Enkil

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

TBH I think both will be introduced, and as others have said, DB is very popular, and you cant have one without the other, as both factions hate each other, remember the lore book, Brothers of Darkness, there was a shadowy war going on, I think, that you will be able to join a faction, and carry out operations against, say the MT.

Or...to keep both sides happy, let you join either side, and part of the mission structure is taking out the other side.

If they took this long to introduce assassin guilds, they need to have some extra oomph.. (like a faction war between the Morag Tong & Dark Brotherhood)... if we waited all this time for a Dark Brotherhood guild, my Dunmer assassin, that would sooner kill of its' members, is going to be disappointed beyond belief....

SHADOW2KK

Enkil wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

TBH I think both will be introduced, and as others have said, DB is very popular, and you cant have one without the other, as both factions hate each other, remember the lore book, Brothers of Darkness, there was a shadowy war going on, I think, that you will be able to join a faction, and carry out operations against, say the MT.

Or...to keep both sides happy, let you join either side, and part of the mission structure is taking out the other side.

If they took this long to introduce assassin guilds, they need to have some extra oomph.. (like a faction war between the Morag Tong & Dark Brotherhood)... if we waited all this time for a Dark Brotherhood guild, my Dunmer assassin, that would sooner kill of its' members, is going to be disappointed beyond belief....

Haha classic, gotta agree matey, my thoughts exactly too, and this may be a way to take out contracts on people who dont pay their bounty when you can get to kill NPCs, that I am looking forward too

SHADOW2KK

Sighs, wish this was now, I cant wait arrrgh lol

Delte

I wonder if they give us the option to kill all the DB members and turn them over to the authorities like they do in the single player games?

Only way I would join them is if this would be part of the quest line. Help the DB or turn them in and help the Morag Tong.

SHADOW2KK

Delte wrote: »

I wonder if they give us the option to kill all the DB members and turn them over to the authorities like they do in the single player games?

Only way I would join them is if this would be part of the quest line. Help the DB or turn them in and help the Morag Tong.

Mmmmmm I like that actually, fair point.

Lord_Draevan

If I have to choose between the Morag Tong and the Dark Brotherhood, I know which one I'm choosing...

AlexDougherty

Delte wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Delte wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

They are unllikely to do the Morag Tong since it is a single faction cult.

They have promised us the Dark Brotherhood though.

Why not make other single faction cults?

They already have the start of them in the game lore with the Eyes of the Queen and the Daggerfall Blades. All they would need to do is to flesh it out some more and make them a joinable faction for players with its own skill line.

Because each cult would require it's own storyline, were as the Dark Brotherhood will be the same story with the odd tweek for faction-based locale, like what the Fighters guild and Mages guild do.

Basically single faction cults like the Morag Tong would triple the work load for the same payout for ZOS.

And that would be a bad thing for them in the long run?

I think it would be more work for ZOS to produce the same type of guild, were as if they don't, then they can put that effort into other things.

I'm not actually against it per say, but I can see the negatives to it too.

SHADOW2KK

I cant wait for this to come, really good on a lot of levels imo

aslan06

it would be right if we have to chose beetwen DB and MT,cause if you know DB and MT are enemies and it would be foolish to allow us join both.

SHADOW2KK

aslan06 wrote: »

it would be right if we have to chose beetwen DB and MT,cause if you know DB and MT are enemies and it would be foolish to allow us join both.

Aye well said, I cannot wait till this comes out, and also the murder npc`s thing too, and bounty hunting players who do not pay the fine.

A lot of assassins will be stalking Tamriel soon:D

Ragefist

Why are we even having this thread? If ZOS pitch players against Naryu it could have only one possible outcome ...

Revolution

majinstef

For the Night Mother

Teiji

Heroism for Boethiah!
Debauchery for Mephala!
Dead children of the beast races for the dread father!

This will be so incredibly delicious, definitely curious as to what assassin set bonuses the gear will have, besides looking great.

I wonder if instead of creating really cool and engaging set bonuses they simply place the motif for these in the crown store. Will be a very wasted opportunity, DB and Morag Tong should have jewellery as well as visible set pieces.

Teiji

ZoS please don't place the DB and Tong in the crown store! At least give us set bonuses which thematically fit with the Dark Brotherhood and Morag Tong.

We all know you're working on DLC for nine months from now and even farther. Please make the extremely iconic and important DLC which is Thieves Guild & Dark Brotherhood overflowing with meaningful goodies to chase, and no I don't mean like Tel Var stones. I mean like Morag Tong item sets which look the part and do the job in a way that makes sense to the Tong.

Same with Nocturnal's children as well as those of Sithis through the Dark Brotherhood.