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My top 10 list of things that would make ESO THE MMORPG of the decade.
Navuri
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Hello everybody,
First of all let me say that this post is a collection of changes and features that I would like to see in The Elder Scrolls Online. It's not a rant, or a fanboy thread, or an attack on Zenimax either. It's simply a list of things that I think would have a good and solid impact on the overall experience in The Elder Scrolls Online. I personally think that Zenimax is trying hard to include features based upon player feedback, so maybe they'll spot this topic and who knows?
It is possible that some of the things on my list are things that are being worked on. If so, please respond to that in the comment section. I'm trying to keep up with all the news and the patch notes, but seeing as I'm a casual gamer I might have missed an announcement somewhere in the past.
What's the reason for this top 10 list? Well, I have been playing World of Warcraft for about 5 years and quit a few years ago. I thought the game had it's best days behind him and it was time to move on to a different game. Of course I played Skyrim a lot, but when the news came out that The Elder Scrolls Online was being made I was really excited to see whether or not it could triumph World of Warcraft in certain area's. Of course this is not a debate which game is better or worse of anything like that. Each has it's own flaws and jewels. The reason I'm saying this is because some of the things on the list are from my past gaming experiences. My experiences on forums like these are sadly enough not very positive. Either some fanboy goes nuts because you've brought up a game he hates, or the people at the developing company (ZOS) does not read the posts and everything has been for nothing. So, without further ado, here's my top 10 list of things that would make ESO THE MMORPG of the decade (including my thoughts and reasons behind them).
1. An 'inspect player' or 'check gear' option to increase need to improve own character and hunt down new and improved gear. In an MMO, when I see other players running around in great gear and with great weapons, I like to know what those items are called. In ESO, that option is not there. Some will say 'just whisper them', but that's a totally different way of interacting with a person. I think that in an MMO it shouldn't be a secret what kind of gear your wearing so other players might get inspired as well to make that gear as well, or do that specific dungeon where the piece of armor has dropped. And if you don't want to use the option, then don't. It's a fix under the hood, but very effective for players who like it.
2. Okay, we all know there's no Auction House as we'd like to see it in ESO. Some things are just the way they are. However, I find it utterly frustrating that there is an active search option when selling an item in a guild store, but not when looking / buying an item. I have no idea why I can't just type in 'Amber Malt' in the guild store and find it or not. Now, I have to click of several options such as 'crafting', 'provisioning' and 'ingredients' and then scan everything myself to see whether or not the guild store has the item I'm looking for. I'm a big fan of buying, trading, selling and just browsing the items that people sell, but this is just too time intensive for me so I'll just avoid the guild stores for now. On a side note, if a guild could consist of 1000 players, guild stores would obviously be much bigger and I could be looking for a very active PVE guild instead of having to join 4 or 5 'middle of the road' trading guilds.
3. It wouldn't be a top 10 list without it: name plates and guild tags. No need to elaborate on this. Make it optional, so the people who like to confuse NPC's with players can toggle it off and be confused some more. Name plates and guild tags do not turn ESO in a cartoon or anything like that, whatever people might say. Toggle on/off is our friend in this barbaric endeavour.
4. An online armory would be nice. Just to add to the game as a whole it's nice to search for guilds, characters and check gear when you're not playing the game. I like it. I think it's fun. And fun is important.
5. Before equipping a new weapon or piece of gear I would like to see the stat changes it gives me before equipping it. I know, we can compare items while hovering over them, but this is something that's very handy and doesn't seem to be a huge implementation in the game. We can discuss 'cosmetics' like this the whole day, but at the end of the day, everybody wants to have kick-ass gear with great stats. This makes gear changes easier, quicker and gives a better overview of your stats.
6. Speaking of stats at number 5, I would like a 'life-recap' when leveling up my character. I made before and after screenshots when I leveled my character and compared the stats. I know I gain health, stamina and magicka, but how much? Simple: just put it in the chat window when you've leveled your character. Congrats, you leveled to level 30. You've gained 36 health points, 30 stamina and 65 magicka.' Simple, effective, and also gives a feeling you're actually more powerfull then before.
7. I like the crafting system. In ESO, the crafting doesn't feel like a gimmick but it's a substantial part of the whole experience in beautifully crafted Tamriel. I cannot however, predict how my gear will look on my character unless I actually create it. Sounds easy enough right? Let us preview weapons and items so we can see which racial styles we like the most. I know, I know, there are probably websites who have 1000+ pictures of everything. That's not the point. I just want to see my weapon before I spend my hard earned materials on it in the hopes of it looking awesome.
8. I have not been to Craglorn yet, so maybe this is already in the game. If it is, I'm not aware of it. There have been enourmous amounts of negative feedback discussing the PVE endgame in ESO. What I would like to see is the addition of a couple of big 'ass' raids such as Molten Core, Blackwing Lair and Onyxia in World of Warcraft. I'm using these examples because I have experienced them myself and the thrill it gave me and my guild members when finally completing those areas. From a personal standpoint, I think it's a great way of creating meaningful endgame. Knowing that there's a huge monster waiting for you which can only be beaten by 12 / 20 / 25 / 40 players adds to the excitement of the overall gaming experience for me. I know it's personal and maybe they are working on things like this in Craglorn, but I can't find a single element in Molten Core that I didn't like. It increases the need to join guilds, play effectively with each other, offers great loot and who doesn't like the big bad boss waiting for you at the end of the road? Gear up, mount up and ride towards victory (or death) I say!
9. Maybe it's intentional, maybe it's me nagging, I don't know. I would like to see quest rewards before starting a quest. That's it. The only reason I can think of why we can't see them is because of the fact that people might skip certain quests because the loot isn't good enough. So, then you either upgrade the loot (maybe even give different loot to choose from) or you don't really 'play as you like'. Maybe I like to skip a quest line because at the end of 7 quests I'm not really that interested in a heavy armor headpiece because I'm a light armor kind of guy.
10. Not asking for anything that flies, is mechanical or simply doesn't make sense in the world of Tamriel, but a few new mount options would be nice. To be honest I haven't got any suggestions at the moment, but perhaps you have a superb idea. Also the idea of customizing your own mount a bit would be greatly appreciated by me, but that's purely cosmetic of course.
Bonus thingy: Fishing! Who doesn't like fishing?! Me! Add some fishing experiences to the game. Make us fish up garbage, some epic loot, quests and perhaps even fishing contests. I'm not saying we all should drop what we're doing and head over to the nearest lake, but some tweaking is certainly welcome.
The topic turned out to be a big larger then I intented, but hopefully people will respond to this with an open mind and perhaps some of you agree to the points I've mentioned. Like I said before, I do not know whether or not any of the changes are being implemented in the near future, so if that's the case let me know. And please keep the discussion civilized. I'm not interested at all in another fanboy rant because I've mentioned World of Warcraft on a forum. So what do you think about the list? Anything usefull?
Navuri
Altmer Sorcerer (and proud Volunteer in the PVP campaign in Cyrodil)
*Edit note*
As I feared, the fact that I've mentioned WoW works as a red flag on a bull on some. I'll try and state it in a different way then. Just because one game has a few game elements that work very well does not mean that these elements, when implemented in a different game, will turn the game into a 'clone' as some like to refer to. For instance, If I let my mustache grow and put on a hat, I'm not turning into Captain Jack Sparrow over night now am I? That does not mean that the mustache and the hat wouldn't look awesome on me, but that's a whole different ball park. Catching my online drift?
Edited by Navuri on July 16, 2014 10:08AM First of all let me say that this post is a collection of changes and features that I would like to see in The Elder Scrolls Online. It's not a rant, or a fanboy thread, or an attack on Zenimax either. It's simply a list of things that I think would have a good and solid impact on the overall experience in The Elder Scrolls Online. I personally think that Zenimax is trying hard to include features based upon player feedback, so maybe they'll spot this topic and who knows?
It is possible that some of the things on my list are things that are being worked on. If so, please respond to that in the comment section. I'm trying to keep up with all the news and the patch notes, but seeing as I'm a casual gamer I might have missed an announcement somewhere in the past.
What's the reason for this top 10 list? Well, I have been playing World of Warcraft for about 5 years and quit a few years ago. I thought the game had it's best days behind him and it was time to move on to a different game. Of course I played Skyrim a lot, but when the news came out that The Elder Scrolls Online was being made I was really excited to see whether or not it could triumph World of Warcraft in certain area's. Of course this is not a debate which game is better or worse of anything like that. Each has it's own flaws and jewels. The reason I'm saying this is because some of the things on the list are from my past gaming experiences. My experiences on forums like these are sadly enough not very positive. Either some fanboy goes nuts because you've brought up a game he hates, or the people at the developing company (ZOS) does not read the posts and everything has been for nothing. So, without further ado, here's my top 10 list of things that would make ESO THE MMORPG of the decade (including my thoughts and reasons behind them).
1. An 'inspect player' or 'check gear' option to increase need to improve own character and hunt down new and improved gear. In an MMO, when I see other players running around in great gear and with great weapons, I like to know what those items are called. In ESO, that option is not there. Some will say 'just whisper them', but that's a totally different way of interacting with a person. I think that in an MMO it shouldn't be a secret what kind of gear your wearing so other players might get inspired as well to make that gear as well, or do that specific dungeon where the piece of armor has dropped. And if you don't want to use the option, then don't. It's a fix under the hood, but very effective for players who like it.
2. Okay, we all know there's no Auction House as we'd like to see it in ESO. Some things are just the way they are. However, I find it utterly frustrating that there is an active search option when selling an item in a guild store, but not when looking / buying an item. I have no idea why I can't just type in 'Amber Malt' in the guild store and find it or not. Now, I have to click of several options such as 'crafting', 'provisioning' and 'ingredients' and then scan everything myself to see whether or not the guild store has the item I'm looking for. I'm a big fan of buying, trading, selling and just browsing the items that people sell, but this is just too time intensive for me so I'll just avoid the guild stores for now. On a side note, if a guild could consist of 1000 players, guild stores would obviously be much bigger and I could be looking for a very active PVE guild instead of having to join 4 or 5 'middle of the road' trading guilds.
3. It wouldn't be a top 10 list without it: name plates and guild tags. No need to elaborate on this. Make it optional, so the people who like to confuse NPC's with players can toggle it off and be confused some more. Name plates and guild tags do not turn ESO in a cartoon or anything like that, whatever people might say. Toggle on/off is our friend in this barbaric endeavour.
4. An online armory would be nice. Just to add to the game as a whole it's nice to search for guilds, characters and check gear when you're not playing the game. I like it. I think it's fun. And fun is important.
5. Before equipping a new weapon or piece of gear I would like to see the stat changes it gives me before equipping it. I know, we can compare items while hovering over them, but this is something that's very handy and doesn't seem to be a huge implementation in the game. We can discuss 'cosmetics' like this the whole day, but at the end of the day, everybody wants to have kick-ass gear with great stats. This makes gear changes easier, quicker and gives a better overview of your stats.
6. Speaking of stats at number 5, I would like a 'life-recap' when leveling up my character. I made before and after screenshots when I leveled my character and compared the stats. I know I gain health, stamina and magicka, but how much? Simple: just put it in the chat window when you've leveled your character. Congrats, you leveled to level 30. You've gained 36 health points, 30 stamina and 65 magicka.' Simple, effective, and also gives a feeling you're actually more powerfull then before.
7. I like the crafting system. In ESO, the crafting doesn't feel like a gimmick but it's a substantial part of the whole experience in beautifully crafted Tamriel. I cannot however, predict how my gear will look on my character unless I actually create it. Sounds easy enough right? Let us preview weapons and items so we can see which racial styles we like the most. I know, I know, there are probably websites who have 1000+ pictures of everything. That's not the point. I just want to see my weapon before I spend my hard earned materials on it in the hopes of it looking awesome.
8. I have not been to Craglorn yet, so maybe this is already in the game. If it is, I'm not aware of it. There have been enourmous amounts of negative feedback discussing the PVE endgame in ESO. What I would like to see is the addition of a couple of big 'ass' raids such as Molten Core, Blackwing Lair and Onyxia in World of Warcraft. I'm using these examples because I have experienced them myself and the thrill it gave me and my guild members when finally completing those areas. From a personal standpoint, I think it's a great way of creating meaningful endgame. Knowing that there's a huge monster waiting for you which can only be beaten by 12 / 20 / 25 / 40 players adds to the excitement of the overall gaming experience for me. I know it's personal and maybe they are working on things like this in Craglorn, but I can't find a single element in Molten Core that I didn't like. It increases the need to join guilds, play effectively with each other, offers great loot and who doesn't like the big bad boss waiting for you at the end of the road? Gear up, mount up and ride towards victory (or death) I say!
9. Maybe it's intentional, maybe it's me nagging, I don't know. I would like to see quest rewards before starting a quest. That's it. The only reason I can think of why we can't see them is because of the fact that people might skip certain quests because the loot isn't good enough. So, then you either upgrade the loot (maybe even give different loot to choose from) or you don't really 'play as you like'. Maybe I like to skip a quest line because at the end of 7 quests I'm not really that interested in a heavy armor headpiece because I'm a light armor kind of guy.
10. Not asking for anything that flies, is mechanical or simply doesn't make sense in the world of Tamriel, but a few new mount options would be nice. To be honest I haven't got any suggestions at the moment, but perhaps you have a superb idea. Also the idea of customizing your own mount a bit would be greatly appreciated by me, but that's purely cosmetic of course.
Bonus thingy: Fishing! Who doesn't like fishing?! Me! Add some fishing experiences to the game. Make us fish up garbage, some epic loot, quests and perhaps even fishing contests. I'm not saying we all should drop what we're doing and head over to the nearest lake, but some tweaking is certainly welcome.
The topic turned out to be a big larger then I intented, but hopefully people will respond to this with an open mind and perhaps some of you agree to the points I've mentioned. Like I said before, I do not know whether or not any of the changes are being implemented in the near future, so if that's the case let me know. And please keep the discussion civilized. I'm not interested at all in another fanboy rant because I've mentioned World of Warcraft on a forum. So what do you think about the list? Anything usefull?
Navuri
Altmer Sorcerer (and proud Volunteer in the PVP campaign in Cyrodil)
*Edit note*
As I feared, the fact that I've mentioned WoW works as a red flag on a bull on some. I'll try and state it in a different way then. Just because one game has a few game elements that work very well does not mean that these elements, when implemented in a different game, will turn the game into a 'clone' as some like to refer to. For instance, If I let my mustache grow and put on a hat, I'm not turning into Captain Jack Sparrow over night now am I? That does not mean that the mustache and the hat wouldn't look awesome on me, but that's a whole different ball park. Catching my online drift?
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1 - God no, the Elitist epeens would rule
2 - AH should be a must for ESO
3 - Agreed, as long as it's optional
4 - To close to No1 (elitism gone mad)
5 - Previews are always good
6 - Not for me, but sure why not if people would use it
7 - Again previews are always good. The dyes system will help with this too though.
8 - Hell yeah, large raids will always get a yes vote form me
9 - Don't see as it would hurt. Personally I do the quest for the quest, not just the reward.
10 - New Mounts are definitely coming
Overall, not a bad list, something for everybody
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✭Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »Another person who wants to turn ESO into a WoW clone......
Exactly how did the OP's suggestions turn ESO into the fabled WoW clone so many people talk about?High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
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Navuri✭✭✭Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »Another person who wants to turn ESO into a WoW clone......
Exactly how did the OP's suggestions turn ESO into the fabled WoW clone so many people talk about?
Ineed. I would like to know that as well. I've stated a few times that I've played WoW and that both ESO and WoW have there own flaws and jewels. Just because a few points I've made are implemented in WoW doesn't mean the game will turn into WoW all of a sudden. That would be just silly. And for the record: Rift, Guild Wars 2 and Wildstar share a LOT of the points I've made as well.
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✭✭✭✭✭A list of things that WoW has but ESO doesn't, isn't it?
No thanks.
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Phantax✭✭✭✭✭
✭A list of things that WoW has but ESO doesn't, isn't it?
No thanks.
(no disrespect meant, to each his own)
Yeah, because most the other popular MMOs don't have anything like that do they. WoW is not a benchmark for all things MMO ! (although I will admit to doing that myself at times) High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭A list of things that WoW has but ESO doesn't, isn't it?
No thanks.
(no disrespect meant, to each his own)
Yeah, because most the other popular MMOs don't have anything like that do they. WoW is not a benchmark for all things MMO ! (although I will admit to doing that myself at times)
I said its a list of things WoW has. I did not say other MMOs don't have them.
But the OP himself specifically mentions world of warcraft in his post, which made it apparent which game he got that list from.2 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭1. No, leave inspecting players out of it. If WoW has an elitist snob community, that's mostly what fuels it; ilvl for automatically joining dungeons was a good idea, but it got horribly abused really quickly (lf someone with higher ilvl than the raid drops, for instance.)
2. I like the guild store system as they're developing it (now with kiosks) to keep the economy .. smaller, more contained. It's just instinct, I guess, but instinct tells me global anything (global economy, global village) is a really bad thing in the long run.
3. Name plates and chat bubbles, with toggles. I probably wouldn't bother at all with nameplates, but chat bubbles would be useful in a pinch if you really want those around you to pick up on what you /say (assuming some of them have the bubbles toggled on.)
*EDIT: I hadn't thought of the difference between WoW pvp and ESO pvp; I think the concern, mentioned below, about nameplates ruining ESO-style pvp is probably quite valid. ESO seems more suited to including stealthy sneak attacks than WoW battlegrounds are. Heck, WoW's "turn yourself into a plant" potion would have been great for ambushing, but the nameplates make it clear that the clump of Peacebloom over there is really a player.
4. Same as 1. Too much like Orwellian spying.
5. Full previews of gear would be nice, including appearance. But since the stat changes are really incremental, I don't have a problem doing the math, really. (+2 to armour, +5 to a new enchant isn't really hard to figure.)
6. A diary, perhaps, where some progress is automatically recorded, but you have space to type in your own comments/observations, keep a journal of what you did. Many RPers would probably squee over that.
7. Again, previews of gear are nice. And the crafting system here is pretty good (speaking of WoW, I looked at the beta test patch notes. Looks like they made crafting totally useless/cosmetic over there. Sigh. Armour crafters were useless, so I guess they decided to gut ALL the profs rather than making the sad ones more desirable/useful. I got really bored farming up a billion mats to make a stupidly expensive mount before I came here.) The fact we can craft our own useful end-game sets is the part I love the best.
8. No comment. Haven't been doing dungeons and stuff much yet; get too caught up questing.
9. Hmm. Well, usually before starting a job, you want to know what you're getting ... but I haven't minded the "surprise" system. One of these days I might make something that doesn't put points into armour or weapons, and just uses whatever he gets as he goes along, just to see how herpy derpy I can be, for fun.
10. I heard new mounts are coming eventually, namely, a riding guar, I think.
WoW isn't really a bad game in and of itself, but it keeps changing direction like a drunken fly; I guess this expansion they're just clamping down on it being Blizz's idea of a shooting gallery (with Timeless Isle being the first warning example of their new philosophy). Basically, Blizz developers told me I'm better off with ESO if I like RPGs and not just combat sims.
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✭✭trip_marcb16_ESO wrote: »Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »Another person who wants to turn ESO into a WoW clone......
Exactly how did the OP's suggestions turn ESO into the fabled WoW clone so many people talk about?
Ineed. I would like to know that as well. I've stated a few times that I've played WoW and that both ESO and WoW have there own flaws and jewels. Just because a few points I've made are implemented in WoW doesn't mean the game will turn into WoW all of a sudden. That would be just silly. And for the record: Rift, Guild Wars 2 and Wildstar share a LOT of the points I've made as well.
Armory and Gearscore is a WOW only feature and it ruined said game. The Elitism it brought up is horrible and we don't need this at ESO.
ESO is supposed to be a game for adults, so it should stay one. By adding all those measurement tools, we attract gamers that are not only very young but also very disrespectful towards others.
Its bad enough that people found ways to get DPS trackers working.
More raids is also a bad feature if you focus on it alone. Its already bad enough that we have no more solo max level content after the VR nerf. We certainly don't need more raids at this point, but content for solo gamers and duo´s. Good MMO´s don't focus on raids alone, but a big amount of different content.
Its not wrong to support raiding, but its only a small percentage of a community that will use them, so adding Quest zones, skill lines and social features is very important to keep those interested in the game that wont be able to raid either due interest or their available online time.Edited by Audigy on July 16, 2014 12:29PM8 -
DanteVFenris✭✭✭My opinion. None of these things would make it great. Those are just nice additions. They are little things. I'm more interested in the bigger mechanics like spell crafting2
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ebondeath✭✭✭✭✭I like most of these. I don't see them adding a big raid (nor do I feel like one is necessary), but I don't have the problem with an inspect feature and armory that a lot of people do (I really want an armory, just because I like to be able to see my character when I'm not in game and I like seeing other people's gear because I'm nosy and curious, not snobby).
You don't need inspect/armory for elitism, it's already there. It's obvious if you're not wearing light armor and a staff and they want your achievements. I don't get the rabid WoW hate when it had a lot of convenient features. It borders on kind of scary.╔═════════════⌈Alannah Corvaine⌋══════════════╗
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AvalonSkye✭✭✭Why don't you just play World of Warcraft. It has all the things you wish for.
Personally, I like ESO just how it is!
I can live without an inspect button, besides it's no one's business what I'm wearing or how I decide to build my character. I agree with others how it ruined alot of games, bringing out jerks who think you should play 'their' way.
I just looked at some garrisons in WoW and quite frankly, it looks like your own huge city empty of other players. I just don't want another game where players are in their own "housing" area instead of out in the game world.
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Navuri✭✭✭I like most of these. I don't see them adding a big raid (nor do I feel like one is necessary), but I don't have the problem with an inspect feature and armory that a lot of people do (I really want an armory, just because I like to be able to see my character when I'm not in game and I like seeing other people's gear because I'm nosy and curious, not snobby).
You don't need inspect/armory for elitism, it's already there. It's obvious if you're not wearing light armor and a staff and they want your achievements. I don't get the rabid WoW hate when it had a lot of convenient features. It borders on kind of scary.
I don't know either why people are so scared of optional features that might enhance the gaming experience either. I think the disrespect towards other games is rather elitist to be honest. It's like saying that at Aston Martin they don't want wheels under their cars because Ferrari has wheels as well. And we don't want anything to do with Ferrari now do we?! My goodness. I've wasted a lot of precious time explaining my topic but people just don't read anymore these days.
Thanks Ebondeath for the support though. I'm curious to as to what others are equipping and I'm anything but a snob or an elitist. I'm just a casual gamer who likes little adds to the game like my list. I think a lot of people would agree.
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isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭trip_marcb16_ESO wrote: »I like most of these. I don't see them adding a big raid (nor do I feel like one is necessary), but I don't have the problem with an inspect feature and armory that a lot of people do (I really want an armory, just because I like to be able to see my character when I'm not in game and I like seeing other people's gear because I'm nosy and curious, not snobby).
You don't need inspect/armory for elitism, it's already there. It's obvious if you're not wearing light armor and a staff and they want your achievements. I don't get the rabid WoW hate when it had a lot of convenient features. It borders on kind of scary.
I don't know either why people are so scared of optional features that might enhance the gaming experience either. I think the disrespect towards other games is rather elitist to be honest. It's like saying that at Aston Martin they don't want wheels under their cars because Ferrari has wheels as well. And we don't want anything to do with Ferrari now do we?! My goodness. I've wasted a lot of precious time explaining my topic but people just don't read anymore these days.
Thanks Ebondeath for the support though. I'm curious to as to what others are equipping and I'm anything but a snob or an elitist. I'm just a casual gamer who likes little adds to the game like my list. I think a lot of people would agree.
If there was an option to OPT OUT of having your character listed in an armoury that everyone and anyone can see, I'd have no problem with it - I could just opt out.
I'm a private person; I wouldn't appreciate anyone peeking through my window just because they're "curious and nosy" about what sort of stuff I have.
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »1. No, leave inspecting players out of it. If WoW has an elitist snob communyit, that's mostly what fuels it; ilvl for automatically joining dungeons was a good idea, but it got horribly abused really quickly (lf someone with higher ilvl than the raid drops, for instance.)
The funny thing is, WoW does not have an elitist snob community, no more than most games. ESO does, much more so than, well, any other mmo I have played.
I find it funny that if anyone mentions a feature that would be good, but happens to be in World Of Warcraft, then all of a sudden it's turning the game into WoW. I have news for you. By such logic ESO is already WoW, I mean wow has mountains, trees, Elves, crafting, swords... the list is endless. In fact you would be pressed to find things that are not in wow.
But here is the thing, wow actually does have many features that would be good in ESO. Such as under water area's, Better XP in PVP. There is a reason why WoW is top of the player lists when it comes to mmo's, that is because if an mmo comes along with a good idea then they copy that good idea and put it into wow, thus remaining at the top.
I think ESO should remain different when it comes to UI and Style, but if WoW has a good feature that people like then steal it. So long as it can fit within the 'Lore' (which should always be top of the priorities list in any Tes game) and it makes ESO better.5 -
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ebondeath✭✭✭✭✭isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »trip_marcb16_ESO wrote: »I like most of these. I don't see them adding a big raid (nor do I feel like one is necessary), but I don't have the problem with an inspect feature and armory that a lot of people do (I really want an armory, just because I like to be able to see my character when I'm not in game and I like seeing other people's gear because I'm nosy and curious, not snobby).
You don't need inspect/armory for elitism, it's already there. It's obvious if you're not wearing light armor and a staff and they want your achievements. I don't get the rabid WoW hate when it had a lot of convenient features. It borders on kind of scary.
I don't know either why people are so scared of optional features that might enhance the gaming experience either. I think the disrespect towards other games is rather elitist to be honest. It's like saying that at Aston Martin they don't want wheels under their cars because Ferrari has wheels as well. And we don't want anything to do with Ferrari now do we?! My goodness. I've wasted a lot of precious time explaining my topic but people just don't read anymore these days.
Thanks Ebondeath for the support though. I'm curious to as to what others are equipping and I'm anything but a snob or an elitist. I'm just a casual gamer who likes little adds to the game like my list. I think a lot of people would agree.
If there was an option to OPT OUT of having your character listed in an armoury that everyone and anyone can see, I'd have no problem with it - I could just opt out.
I'm a private person; I wouldn't appreciate anyone peeking through my window just because they're "curious and nosy" about what sort of stuff I have.
I have no problem with an opt-out option. Yay choices.
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trip_marcb16_ESO wrote: »Hello everybody,
1. An 'inspect player' or 'check gear' option to increase need to improve own character and hunt down new and improved gear. In an MMO, when I see other players running around in great gear and with great weapons, I like to know what those items are called. In ESO, that option is not there. <snip the rest>
Inspect features are terrible. If you want to know what someone is wearing, ask them. If there IS an inspect feature, it should be toggle-able by the player to prevent others inspecting them if they don't want it. I do not want idiotss who think they know the game inspecting me and offering unsolicited advice on what I "should" be doing - a problem in every MMO. Your desire to know what someone else has does not entitle you to the information.2. Okay, we all know there's no Auction House as we'd like to see it in ESO. Some things are just the way they are. However, I find it utterly frustrating that there is an active search option when selling an item in a guild store, but not when looking / buying an item. I have no idea why I can't just type in 'Amber Malt' in the guild store and find it or not.
Not a bad suggestion
No. These things are terrible and annoying. Furthermore, they make it impossible to use concealment in PVP. As for confusing players and NPCs, it takes a truly astounding lack of observational skill to be confused between the two beyond the occasional and momentary.3. It wouldn't be a top 10 list without it: name plates and guild tags. No need to elaborate on this. Make it optional, so the people who like to confuse NPC's with players can toggle it off and be confused some more. Name plates and guild tags do not turn ESO in a cartoon or anything like that, whatever people might say. Toggle on/off is our friend in this barbaric endeavour.4. An online armory would be nice. Just to add to the game as a whole it's nice to search for guilds, characters and check gear when you're not playing the game. I like it. I think it's fun. And fun is important.
While this is not bad, it isn't really necessary and should be a low priority. It might be fun to you, but it doesn't really enhance gameplay that much, and contributes to the WoW mentality of de-immersion5. Before equipping a new weapon or piece of gear I would like to see the stat changes it gives me before equipping it. I know, we can compare items while hovering over them, but this is something that's very handy and doesn't seem to be a huge implementation in the game. We can discuss 'cosmetics' like this the whole day, but at the end of the day, everybody wants to have kick-ass gear with great stats. This makes gear changes easier, quicker and gives a better overview of your stats.
I don't see why you can't just do this as it stands. Also, you should not talk about what "everybody" wants.6. Speaking of stats at number 5, I would like a 'life-recap' when leveling up my character. I made before and after screenshots when I leveled my character and compared the stats. I know I gain health, stamina and magicka, but how much? Simple: just put it in the chat window when you've leveled your character. Congrats, you leveled to level 30. You've gained 36 health points, 30 stamina and 65 magicka.' Simple, effective, and also gives a feeling you're actually more powerfull then before.
While there's nothing wrong with this, it seems rather trivial, and your stats are already updated on your character sheet.7. I like the crafting system. In ESO, the crafting doesn't feel like a gimmick but it's a substantial part of the whole experience in beautifully crafted Tamriel. I cannot however, predict how my gear will look on my character unless I actually create it. Sounds easy enough right? Let us preview weapons and items so we can see which racial styles we like the most. I know, I know, there are probably websites who have 1000+ pictures of everything. That's not the point. I just want to see my weapon before I spend my hard earned materials on it in the hopes of it looking awesome.
This is a good idea.8. I have not been to Craglorn yet, so maybe this is already in the game. If it is, I'm not aware of it. There have been enourmous amounts of negative feedback discussing the PVE endgame in ESO. What I would like to see is the addition of a couple of big 'ass' raids such as Molten Core, Blackwing Lair and Onyxia in World of Warcraft.
Say it with me.. ESO is not WoW. It is not trying to compete with WoW at that type of content. They explicitly said so already. Making this stuff would just make it into another in the parade of "progression raid" MMOs that are all trying to duplicate a 10 year old game.9. Maybe it's intentional, maybe it's me nagging, I don't know. I would like to see quest rewards before starting a quest.
Too destructive to immersion players.10. Not asking for anything that flies, is mechanical or simply doesn't make sense in the world of Tamriel, but a few new mount options would be nice.
Most anything other than a horse would not fit in Tamriel. Guar might be a possibility, though.Bonus thingy: Fishing! Who doesn't like fishing?! Me! Add some fishing experiences to the game. Make us fish up garbage, some epic loot, quests and perhaps even fishing contests. I'm not saying we all should drop what we're doing and head over to the nearest lake, but some tweaking is certainly welcome.
Again we are not playing WoW.The topic turned out to be a big larger then I intented, but hopefully people will respond to this with an open mind and perhaps some of you agree to the points I've mentioned. Like I said before, I do not know whether or not any of the changes are being implemented in the near future, so if that's the case let me know. And please keep the discussion civilized. I'm not interested at all in another fanboy rant because I've mentioned World of Warcraft on a forum. So what do you think about the list? Anything usefull?
You are engaging in a poisoning the well fallacy here. It is not bad to mention WoW, and not everything about WoW is bad. That said, most of your ideas revolve around turning ESO into WoW.As I feared, the fact that I've mentioned WoW works as a red flag on a bull on some. I'll try and state it in a different way then. Just because one game has a few game elements that work very well does not mean that these elements, when implemented in a different game, will turn the game into a 'clone' as some like to refer to. For instance, If I let my mustache grow and put on a hat, I'm not turning into Captain Jack Sparrow over night now am I? That does not mean that the mustache and the hat wouldn't look awesome on me, but that's a whole different ball park. Catching my online drift?
The drift I am getting is that you are trying to defend your ideas by saying "well, but they aren't bad just because they're from m WoW." That's true - but it is also true that they are WoW elements that don't fit well in Tamriel.
Furthermore, even if something in the abstract would be a good idea, it is not a goal of, and not a good idea for, ESO to duplicate WoW to a significant degree. WoW is very good at being WoW, and that market is saturated already.
You would be better served to appreciate this game for what it is, rather than demand it duplicate another game. The MMO market needs a wider variety of offerings, not more of the same.
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Hamfast✭✭✭✭✭As others have said before me, I don't think your #1 or 4 have any place in the game, it's bad enough I could be excluded from something because I am a nightblade, now I can be excluded because someone does not like what I did with my gear... either by inspecting me or looking me up on the "Armory"
I would like to see some sort of AH, Preview Panels and the like, but think the stats are easy enough to figure out now...
I have no problem with Raid like content, dungeons for larger groups and the like, I suspect it will come long as time and resources permit, I would prefer they not be long and drawn out things, but I will wait to see what comes along.
Quest rewards are rewards, not bribes, they may not be the best item in the game, but I like to think they are what the quest giver can afford or is willing to pay for completing the task, knowing what the reward will be seems like a way to decide to skip a quest because the reward is crap when that quest giver feels they are in need and are giving you all that they can afford (I know, it's a digital game, the quest givers are just code and can give anything, but we invest time and life into our characters, why not some for the NPC Quest givers)
As you noted, mentioning that other game may not have been the best way to open the discussion, it jades what ever you put after it in a post... but I would have responded the same to your post had you not mentioned it.
Oh, and Mounts are Mounts, what ever the forms... if and when new mounts are released, I will decide what I think of them at that time.
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ArRashid✭✭✭✭AvalonSkye wrote: »Why don't you just play World of Warcraft. It has all the things you wish for.
Personally, I like ESO just how it is!
I can live without an inspect button, besides it's no one's business what I'm wearing or how I decide to build my character. I agree with others how it ruined alot of games, bringing out jerks who think you should play 'their' way.
I just looked at some garrisons in WoW and quite frankly, it looks like your own huge city empty of other players. I just don't want another game where players are in their own "housing" area instead of out in the game world.
Well, yeah, because WoW has implemented those things over those 10 years it's on market. ESO will hopefully add them too.
Elitists checking gear have always been in every online game, so what of it? As long as there are no dps checks on bosses, they have no reason to complain. If there ARE dps checks, then ZOS goes against it's claims of "play what you want" and just forces everyone into light+resto staff build.
I personally don't miss armory or inspect, but I do feel that ESO needs a more sensible trade system and previews are MUST HAVE. It's just not cool to discover that the item has a wrong color AFTER crafting AND tempering it to a good quality. Hopefully Dyes will fix that at least partially. So far I'm just "hoping" it will turn out good, or I'll have to scrap it (since once equipped (set) items can't be sold then)...
As for nameplates... as long as they are optional. I don't want to ruin my view by adding some huge-ass bars over everything.. in wow it was meaningful, since all you had to do was watch HP bars and TAB targets in cycle as you needed. Here you mostly have to aim right, and nameplates would be just unnecessary clutter.
Guild tags.. well, idk why we don't have those. They could works just like titles - showing up in a line under name.. respectively between name and a title. But make sure you can only pick one at a time and not all 5..
As for the "big-ass raids" - NO. There was a sweet time on college where we could just play 5 hours a day in the evening/nigh... as adults we are lucky if we get an hour or two. More smaller raids > one big raid. Make it 2-3 bosses at max.2 -
KingRebz✭✭✭A list of things that WoW has but ESO doesn't, isn't it?
No thanks.
(no disrespect meant, to each his own)
Yo LOL most mmorpgs have what HE is asking for..not just wow..those are the things that make it amazing..remember this game isnt amazing yet..get my drift? yall enjoy paying £9 for a average game
wouldnt you prefer to pay that much for an awesome amazing version of eso? new features = longevity foolEdited by KingRebz on July 16, 2014 2:31PMV14 Sorceror [Ebonheart]3 -
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✭ESO have a feature called "Personal skill".
All the suggestions have nothing to do with personal skill, and some even takes it away. No thanks.Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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✭A list of things that WoW has but ESO doesn't, isn't it?
No thanks.
(no disrespect meant, to each his own)
Yo LOL most mmorpgs have what HE is asking for..not just wow..those are the things that make it amazing..remember this game isnt amazing yet..get my drift? yall enjoy paying £9 for a average game
wouldnt you prefer to pay that much for an awesome amazing version of eso? new features = longevity fool
ESO releases new content/stuff/features every 4-6 weeks. Which is part of making an amazing game and Longevity.
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✭✭trip_marcb16_ESO wrote: »I like most of these. I don't see them adding a big raid (nor do I feel like one is necessary), but I don't have the problem with an inspect feature and armory that a lot of people do (I really want an armory, just because I like to be able to see my character when I'm not in game and I like seeing other people's gear because I'm nosy and curious, not snobby).
You don't need inspect/armory for elitism, it's already there. It's obvious if you're not wearing light armor and a staff and they want your achievements. I don't get the rabid WoW hate when it had a lot of convenient features. It borders on kind of scary.
I don't know either why people are so scared of optional features that might enhance the gaming experience either. I think the disrespect towards other games is rather elitist to be honest. It's like saying that at Aston Martin they don't want wheels under their cars because Ferrari has wheels as well. And we don't want anything to do with Ferrari now do we?! My goodness. I've wasted a lot of precious time explaining my topic but people just don't read anymore these days.
Thanks Ebondeath for the support though. I'm curious to as to what others are equipping and I'm anything but a snob or an elitist. I'm just a casual gamer who likes little adds to the game like my list. I think a lot of people would agree.
Because they are not optional...
Is this so hard to see and understand? I never wanted to be listed in an Armory, never wanted to have my Gearscore published, never wanted my DPS tracked, never wanted anyone to see my achievements ...
Still I had to let everyone look into my private parts (no pun intended)!
If you want to show everyone your gear then post a profile at the respective websites or use an addon. What others have is non of your business, that whole NSA spy stuff that happens since WOW is ridiculous and doesn't belong to online gaming.6 -
Vendersleigh✭✭✭trip_marcb16_ESO wrote: »1. An 'inspect player' or 'check gear' option to increase need to improve own character and hunt down new and improved gear.
2. Okay, we all know there's no Auction House as we'd like to see it in ESO.
3. It wouldn't be a top 10 list without it: name plates and guild tags.
4. An online armory would be nice.
5. Before equipping a new weapon or piece of gear I would like to see the stat changes it gives me before equipping it.
6. Speaking of stats at number 5, I would like a 'life-recap' when leveling up my character.
7. I like the crafting system. In ESO, the crafting doesn't feel like a gimmick but it's a substantial part of the whole experience in beautifully crafted Tamriel. I cannot however, predict how my gear will look on my character unless I actually create it.
8. I have not been to Craglorn yet, so maybe this is already in the game. If it is, I'm not aware of it. There have been enourmous amounts of negative feedback discussing the PVE endgame in ESO. What I would like to see is the addition of a couple of big 'ass' raids such as Molten Core, Blackwing Lair and Onyxia in World of Warcraft.
9. Maybe it's intentional, maybe it's me nagging, I don't know. I would like to see quest rewards before starting a quest.
10. Not asking for anything that flies, is mechanical or simply doesn't make sense in the world of Tamriel, but a few new mount options would be nice.
Bonus thingy: Fishing! Who doesn't like fishing?! Me! Add some fishing experiences to the game. Make us fish up garbage, some epic loot, quests and perhaps even fishing contests. I'm not saying we all should drop what we're doing and head over to the nearest lake, but some tweaking is certainly welcome.
1. No
2. No
3. I wouldn't mind guild tags.
4. No
5. Not needed.
6. Not needed.
7. Would be nice but not a priority.
8. No.
9. No
10. Would be nice but not a priority.
You seem to be very gear focussed.
My list would include the following:
Housing
Chat bubbles (with the option to turn off for those that dislike them).
The ability to do anything like look at guildlist/friendslist/inventory while seated without it taking one out of sitting down.3 -
Navuri✭✭✭trip_marcb16_ESO wrote: »I like most of these. I don't see them adding a big raid (nor do I feel like one is necessary), but I don't have the problem with an inspect feature and armory that a lot of people do (I really want an armory, just because I like to be able to see my character when I'm not in game and I like seeing other people's gear because I'm nosy and curious, not snobby).
You don't need inspect/armory for elitism, it's already there. It's obvious if you're not wearing light armor and a staff and they want your achievements. I don't get the rabid WoW hate when it had a lot of convenient features. It borders on kind of scary.
I don't know either why people are so scared of optional features that might enhance the gaming experience either. I think the disrespect towards other games is rather elitist to be honest. It's like saying that at Aston Martin they don't want wheels under their cars because Ferrari has wheels as well. And we don't want anything to do with Ferrari now do we?! My goodness. I've wasted a lot of precious time explaining my topic but people just don't read anymore these days.
Thanks Ebondeath for the support though. I'm curious to as to what others are equipping and I'm anything but a snob or an elitist. I'm just a casual gamer who likes little adds to the game like my list. I think a lot of people would agree.
Because they are not optional...
Is this so hard to see and understand? I never wanted to be listed in an Armory, never wanted to have my Gearscore published, never wanted my DPS tracked, never wanted anyone to see my achievements ...
Still I had to let everyone look into my private parts (no pun intended)!
If you want to show everyone your gear then post a profile at the respective websites or use an addon. What others have is non of your business, that whole NSA spy stuff that happens since WOW is ridiculous and doesn't belong to online gaming.
Did I say anything about achievements, DPS scores or gearscore? Did you even read the post? You're making things up.
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✭✭trip_marcb16_ESO wrote: »trip_marcb16_ESO wrote: »I like most of these. I don't see them adding a big raid (nor do I feel like one is necessary), but I don't have the problem with an inspect feature and armory that a lot of people do (I really want an armory, just because I like to be able to see my character when I'm not in game and I like seeing other people's gear because I'm nosy and curious, not snobby).
You don't need inspect/armory for elitism, it's already there. It's obvious if you're not wearing light armor and a staff and they want your achievements. I don't get the rabid WoW hate when it had a lot of convenient features. It borders on kind of scary.
I don't know either why people are so scared of optional features that might enhance the gaming experience either. I think the disrespect towards other games is rather elitist to be honest. It's like saying that at Aston Martin they don't want wheels under their cars because Ferrari has wheels as well. And we don't want anything to do with Ferrari now do we?! My goodness. I've wasted a lot of precious time explaining my topic but people just don't read anymore these days.
Thanks Ebondeath for the support though. I'm curious to as to what others are equipping and I'm anything but a snob or an elitist. I'm just a casual gamer who likes little adds to the game like my list. I think a lot of people would agree.
Because they are not optional...
Is this so hard to see and understand? I never wanted to be listed in an Armory, never wanted to have my Gearscore published, never wanted my DPS tracked, never wanted anyone to see my achievements ...
Still I had to let everyone look into my private parts (no pun intended)!
If you want to show everyone your gear then post a profile at the respective websites or use an addon. What others have is non of your business, that whole NSA spy stuff that happens since WOW is ridiculous and doesn't belong to online gaming.
Did I say anything about achievements, DPS scores or gearscore? Did you even read the post? You're making things up.
No, you didn't. But do you know the story of gearscore? How it came about and what it caused?
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