Sun Shield - PTS v1.3.0

Grimbim

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Templar

• Aedric Spear
  • Sun Shield: This ability no longer stops your magicka regeneration.

I dont know if this is a good idea. I like the Templar class and it's about time they get some affection in upcoming patches, especially for pve. But for pvp, they can be a very strong class. This upcoming change could be dangerous, if it will be possible to spam sun shield and its morphs, particularly blazing shield, without any disadvantages.

kkravaritieb17_ESO

Sun shield is way too powerfull as it is if you remove the magicka regen penalty people will just spam it until you re dead.

Syndy

Sounds kinda like Reflective Scales...

Though I agree, I am all for the regen halt staying on..

What I fear is that this is their way of giving resource management (the unanimous requested fix to Templars).

Durham

You do know that a Templar beat all the other classes in the 100k Duels hosted by legends right? Google 100k Duesl ESO .. Last fight was a dragon knight vs Templar two amazing players !! Im not sure what he was doing but a well played temp is just nasty !!!

Shaun98ca2

Durham wrote: »

You do know that a Templar beat all the other classes in the 100k Duels hosted by legends right? Google 100k Duesl ESO .. Last fight was a dragon knight vs Templar two amazing players !! Im not sure what he was doing but a well played temp is just nasty !!!

I KNEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew Templar would beat out a DK in a 1v1 fight. People laughed and said Templars were weak and any class could easily beat Templars and blazing shield was worthless easily broken LOL.

ExiledKhallisi

I love PvP but.....

PvP is a very small part of the whole game....

This is a great change... I play vr12 templar and no...if we spammed it our damage output would be meh with just it and we would still run out of magicka. Look at the cost.

Kaloran

Durham wrote: »

... well played temp is just nasty !!!

One could argue that just about any class played well enough can be nasty. One instance of a 1v1 fight does not a valid statistic make.

SoulScream

I very much support this change. Thank you for letting mana regen with shield on.

Fuxo

Disabling magicka regen for sunshield was a huge penalty in the first place. I mean this should be the most powerful aedric spear ability and was actually rarely used by templars. This change will make it more useful in PvE.
Currently, it is kind of useful in PvP, mainly because of the huge DPS of other classes. It is not that difficult to counter blazing shield. One way is to keep the templar player at a distance. There are also other ways.

Shaun98ca2

How do you keep a class at a distance that GETS a class charge ability???

Pop immovable then charge to you pop blazing shield, then spam impulse.

Blazing shield = suicide bombers.

Charge into a group of people from stealth pop blazing shield spam impulse.

monkeymystic

This will be spammed for sure. It's already spammed by every templar out there.

I think the penalty was stupid, but the ability will be a bit over the top with this change.

Sirlex

monkeymystic wrote: »

This will be spammed for sure. It's already spammed by every templar out there.

I think the penalty was stupid, but the ability will be a bit over the top with this change.

I agree its a good chance but may be too strong now - maybe just adjust values imo.

david.haypreub18_ESO

I find it odd that the developers seem to be trying to help classes by bumping the abilities that are already good. See: Puncturing Strikes.

This seems to lead just to cookie-cutter builds. Instead, bump the Templars mana management, and allow for many more builds to be viable.

ItsRejectz

Going to be way to strong in PvP now is this

Thechemicals

This is a good change for a class starved for magicka. Will it be powerful? Yes as powerful as the skills other clases use.

Falmer

If its only bad for PvP, then honestly its a good change. Getting a bit tired of them messing with the game to try and satisfy the unsatisfiable PvP players.

PvPers will never be happy regardless of what changes they make.

Xexpo

The change is awesome.

Drake81

You do know that a Templar beat all the other classes in the 100k Duels hosted by legends right? Google 100k Duesl ESO .. Last fight was a dragon knight vs Templar two amazing players !! Im not sure what he was doing but a well played temp is just nasty !!!

It didnt look to me like he was doing anything as to defend himselfe. Healing himselfe, defending and regain Mana, looking for an opening. He didnt kill him with burst damage like the other ones before were killed by Sypher, so how exactly is that OP like the thread opener is fearing?

Healing and defending yourselfe till the enemy dies from heart attack isnt realy fun to play, you know? Also in the finals, Sypher was a few times short before killing that Temp, if he hadnt made so many mistakes, he had won. Due the whole fight, the Temp only once brought him down to 35% health and only in the end he made it.

Yeah, that Temp played great, but for real people, just for prolonging a fight till the other is out of juice saying Temp or his shield is OP is like saying that a Mice won a fight with a Cat because that one got hit by a passing Car. -.-

Ah and for all those who dosnt know what the people are talking about:

By the way, the other one in the semi finals also was a templar, he just wasnt that patient and tryed to play a little bit more agressiv, result was a quick death. So much to that. He didnt get Sypher lower thant 93% once(!) and even that he heald in a sec. away.

sdande

and another step to make templar even stronger in pvp and make non-range builds ***. gj zenimax

Ragekniv

Say what you will, Templars need some loving and I'm hoping the recent changes are just the start.

Until sustained DPS and resource mechanics are balanced for all classes, I'll take every scrap of hope that Zenimax offers to Templars.

Thank you Zenimax!

zScars

When sun shield explodes, (idk the morph) it does way to much damage, it's ridiculous.

Idm the losing magicka regen, because 1 skill shouldn't affect literally your ability to cast skills, or weaken your ability to but the damage it does when it explodes needs major nerfing

NerfEverything

This is a great idea. Not sure what OP is thinking. Hasn't even tried the ability and is already complaining about it.

Plus DKs have spammable reflective scales which is significantly better.

Mumyo

lol look at the other classes. THEY ALL SPAM THEIR LOADS till someone is dead so why not the templar too. everyone is so scared of the templar becoming equal. look at all the dragonknights and mages with the same speccs all over and just spamming 1 single attack to kill everyone.

lava whip lava whip lavawhip down.... no costs at all and super instant dmg.
also crystalfragments. srsly screw your arguments.

Mumyo

in the duelvid. the templar has to swap all the time and his only chance killing the opponent is to wait for the opponents mistake!

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Because the Templar on the video won, means that Templars are OP?

The guy rotate during duration of the battle, all his 10 abilities trying to survive most of the battle. While the DK spam lava whip and talons only.


And Kudos to whomever is the Templar on that video. Well played and inspiration to the rest.

Fuxo

zScars wrote: »

When sun shield explodes, (idk the morph) it does way to much damage, it's ridiculous.

Idm the losing magicka regen, because 1 skill shouldn't affect literally your ability to cast skills, or weaken your ability to but the damage it does when it explodes needs major nerfing

Way too much damage? Let's do some math. For 400 magicka, it gives you 30% health shield, i.e. an ~800 health shield for 6 seconds, does 50%, i.e. ~400 damage. That translates to ~100 DPS on average. Same as any other average (templar) ability. And it's melee range. Other classes would not even put it on their bar. With no-magicka regen, even templars do not use it in PvE. It is somewhat useful vs inexperienced players in PvP or for tanking in PvE.

And about that shield/charge combo. It only returns 50% of damage taken, so if a templar charges and stuns you, you deal no damage, and shield returns no damage.

Grimbim

NerfEverything wrote: »

This is a great idea. Not sure what OP is thinking. Hasn't even tried the ability and is already complaining about it.

Plus DKs have spammable reflective scales which is significantly better.

I didn't complain about it. I just said that blazing shield is already strong in pvp, especially against melee players. And as a melee, it could become very tough fighting a Templar with blazing shield. But Maybe I am wrong and you are right and this change is a great idea.
And to be honest, playing against a reflective scales spamming DK isn't very much fun (and it isn't very challenging to push one button), so i don't see any point how it could be positiv to move in the same direction.

f0rgiv3n27b14_ESO wrote: »

What I fear is that this is their way of giving resource management (the unanimous requested fix to Templars).

Got the same assumption.

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

I find it odd that the developers seem to be trying to help classes by bumping the abilities that are already good. See: Puncturing Strikes.
This seems to lead just to cookie-cutter builds. Instead, bump the Templars mana management, and allow for many more builds to be viable.

Exactly, and it's not very much fun if anyone is using the same build. It's already a big problem in my opinion.
Don't get me wrong, i am excited to see some buffs for the Templar, but i would appreciate if they would affect more abilites, in particular the "weak" points, to enable more different and viable builds (for PVE and PVP). And I hope this is not their way to improve the ressource management.

Dagoth_Rac

Templars are always running out of magicka even when they don't use Sun Shield. Standard magicka regen is not enough to sustain DPS/HPS. We need ways to regain magicka in bursts from damaging/killing enemies or healing allies, just like other classes. All the other classes sprint from room to room in dungeons and the Templar is like, "Guys, we need to wait 20 seconds after each trash fight so my empty magicka bar can recover!" :-\

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

All the other classes sprint from room to room in dungeons and the Templar is like, "Guys, we need to wait 20 seconds after each trash fight so my empty magicka bar can recover!" :-\

How true mate, how true.

kkravaritieb17_ESO

Equilibrium--->Spell Symmetry
Just an idea. I have it on my off bar on my dk when my ulti isnt up so i dont have to wait regen.

Some_Jerk

This fix is entirely the wrong way to get the templar where it needs to be, reducing their magicka costs or adding magicka regen to their passives would be better. Doing something like this will make it mandatory for every templar to use blazing shield, (which, as a templar, is where i feel things currently sit anyhow).