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Last nail in the coffin ....
revi726
Soul Shriven
So I'm one of the many that are affected by the fps, invisible npc's and Cyrodiil enemies.
I've been patient and tried to give this company a chance to fix this issue over the past couple of weeks but now I have reached the end of the rope. As a VR11 Nightblade I'm already an underdog out there and have to use a lot of survival tactics in Cyrodiil but now that I am fighting the game engine while trying to defeat my enemy I've had enough.
There is no end game for me other than Cyrodiil since I do not enjoy the dungeons in this game. Now pvp is just a mess and I am sure that Zenimax is working diligently to solve this problem but I think it's time to enjoy the summer and find something else to do.
This game will go free-to-play soon enough. When WoW went through their growing pains they had next to zero competition to contend with so they were able to get through these types of bugs. (They had many as I played that game since launch up until this year)
Sadly Zenimax or their investors 'nudged' them to release this game way too early as it feels like we're still beta testing it. In a market filled with stable MMO's (sub based and free-to-play) they needed to push a stable product. Instead they opted to promise new content super-often (which is nice in theory) but it has left bug resolution on the sidelines and under the supervision of the B team of programmers.
I for one have not stepped foot into Craglorn or anything new they added. I wanted to level up and PVP in a stable fun-filled game. Instead I play a broken class in a broken world in a game launched in 2014 with load times I cannot even believe exist.
When I used to load into WoW (Launched in 2004) my character selection screen loaded right away. In ESO it loads .... and loads ... and loads ....
Then in WoW with a bunch of addons the game loads in 30 seconds. In ESO it can take over a minute and even up to 5 minutes to load up.
This really becomes even more painful when the game crashes or you need to make graphic changes that require a reload.
I've really gone off topic from the original post but my point is they need to fix this game fast and stop worrying about new content until they have stabilized the core of this game otherwise they'll be forced to follow in Star Wars footsteps.
I've been patient and tried to give this company a chance to fix this issue over the past couple of weeks but now I have reached the end of the rope. As a VR11 Nightblade I'm already an underdog out there and have to use a lot of survival tactics in Cyrodiil but now that I am fighting the game engine while trying to defeat my enemy I've had enough.
There is no end game for me other than Cyrodiil since I do not enjoy the dungeons in this game. Now pvp is just a mess and I am sure that Zenimax is working diligently to solve this problem but I think it's time to enjoy the summer and find something else to do.
This game will go free-to-play soon enough. When WoW went through their growing pains they had next to zero competition to contend with so they were able to get through these types of bugs. (They had many as I played that game since launch up until this year)
Sadly Zenimax or their investors 'nudged' them to release this game way too early as it feels like we're still beta testing it. In a market filled with stable MMO's (sub based and free-to-play) they needed to push a stable product. Instead they opted to promise new content super-often (which is nice in theory) but it has left bug resolution on the sidelines and under the supervision of the B team of programmers.
I for one have not stepped foot into Craglorn or anything new they added. I wanted to level up and PVP in a stable fun-filled game. Instead I play a broken class in a broken world in a game launched in 2014 with load times I cannot even believe exist.
When I used to load into WoW (Launched in 2004) my character selection screen loaded right away. In ESO it loads .... and loads ... and loads ....
Then in WoW with a bunch of addons the game loads in 30 seconds. In ESO it can take over a minute and even up to 5 minutes to load up.
This really becomes even more painful when the game crashes or you need to make graphic changes that require a reload.
I've really gone off topic from the original post but my point is they need to fix this game fast and stop worrying about new content until they have stabilized the core of this game otherwise they'll be forced to follow in Star Wars footsteps.
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✭I've been patient and tried to give this company a chance to fix this issue over the past couple of weeks[\quote]
Stopped reading after that as should anybody. You have given them a couple of weeks on a major AAA title MMO. While are you just a Saint of Patience...You do realize that small games that are offline can take years to fix the biggest issues right? Don't expect a permanent fix for anything in games like this ever, let alone a few weeks. As long as they make fixes, people will keep trying to break it.
If you want to be mad at somebody or something, be mad at the cess pool our humanity has become. -
GossiTheDog✭✭✭✭✭The game has been out 3 months, it's premium price and premium subscription. Basic things like PVP and grouping should work by now. Defend away, but basically remember not everybody will give Zenimax years to make the game work. All you have to do is go in game to realise most customers left. -
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✭Three months is plenty of time for the cost. Considering basic *** doesnt work and PvP has been unplayable for over a week its poor form and you are blind if you cant see it.
To add to your last statement when have you been in a MMO where a bug like take the FPS bug for example has either A made it live or B been around for 8+days eagerly awaiting your reply which Im guessing will be something like " If you don't like it unsub" which to save you some time I already have
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting CommentsEdited by ZOS_LeroyW on July 3, 2014 6:03PM -
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Would you pay a TV or phone provider for three months if their service kept breaking down or was unavailable?Fairydragon3 wrote: »Three months is not a lot of time
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GossiTheDog✭✭✭✭✭Fairydragon3 wrote: »Three months is not a lot of time
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✭Fairydragon3 wrote: »Three months is not a lot of time
Although I agree, technically isn't that 5 years 3 months....lol !
High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
I'm a werewolf. If you vamps don't like it.... Bite me !
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This game is more broken than the January beta I played. They are going backwards.
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KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
✭acutechb16_ESO wrote: »This game is more broken than the January beta I played. They are going backwards.
This. Why we should all quit, its an insult to expect PC players to pay for the console beta.
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vyal✭✭✭To the blind defenders:
Every MMO that has ever failed, been closed, lost all it's subscribers, lost all it's customers, or been put on life support had the following:
Blind defending fans that said "just give them more time". Right until the exact moment the forums were shut down and the game servers were powered off.
Every single one that failed had this. It's not helping. Learn from history. Stop giving them a free pass. Three months is a ridiculous amount of time to fix the things broken in ESO, and they're not fixed yet.
All you're doing by giving them a free pass is extending the pain. It's their job, and they're failing at it. Guess what happens to employees that fail at their job and companies that fail to provide the service they're getting paid for? Yeah.. that happens. -
Blade_07✭✭✭✭Agreed, this game should be F2P until they can actually fix it. They will steal our money until enough people stop their sub. Really wish there was a good way to rally enough people to make this happen. But, they just laugh at us all the way to bank!“Man can live about forty days without food, about three days without water, about eight minutes without air, but only for one second without hope.” -
KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oh let me add when the campaigns reset it was the perfect time to merge a few and change things up. Instead we have about 6 dead campaigns 2 ones that are barely twitching (aware the fps bug had a hand to play) all of which are terribly one sided, I can't see which direction they are trying to take PvP short of murdering it. -
wllstrt75b14_ESO✭✭✭Fairydragon3 wrote: »Three months is not a lot of time
Lmao 3 months..what about the beta? They have had a long time to get this straight they ignored all the beta feedback and pushed a borked game from day 1. Had they bothered to fix crap in beta we might not be sitting here..laziest dev team ever. -
Anastasia✭✭✭✭GossiTheDog wrote: »Fairydragon3 wrote: »Three months is not a lot of time
In video games, three months is several triple A titles. Gamers go to whatever is perceived to be the next big thing.
Some, a portion of, go to whatever is perceived to be the next big thing. Those described as wanting something that exactly fits their mentality, have it changed upon DEMAND, IMMEDIATELY or they will stomp out/quit -- those who perhaps did not closely pay attention to where they put their money in the first place or why...THOSE players swarm to the next big thing. Atypical consumers.
There are lots of different focus groups for mmo markets.
---There are kinds of players who reasonably stay with a game if its fun for probs up to a year before making a committed decision
---There are some who leave with full intention to come back and resub in x amount of months giving it time to season
---There are those who really looked forward to it but who are MMO vets and know the reality of the first months of a launch and literally do NOT sub up until the game has been out 6 months
---There are those who enjoy having two main/prime market MMO's to play alternatively
---There are those enjoy mostly F2P as it fits their budget and has the very familiar mechanics they are used to, and many of which have those Cash Stores
I love TESO. I am one of those who is supporting it full on in this first year at least. I'm laid back for the most part, and have a whole lot of other fun going on in my life. I see the Zeni staff working at fixes, I see they have specific intent which is important to me and exudes stability as far as long term plans go instead of bending and twisting with every single shout from discomfitted gamers. Thats called confidence. Listening to suggestions, yet sticking out the course for their original plan of attack...that creates confidence in a typical consumer looking for fun gaming entertainment as well.
Short attention spans, needing immediate gratification, feeling adrift if not catered to -- all pointers to high stress and bad health.
*Passes a recreational bowl of fun, some reallllly good pita bread, sensational pepper-cheese hummus mix and settles back...
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✭incandescent wrote: »
Would you pay a TV or phone provider for three months if their service kept breaking down or was unavailable?Fairydragon3 wrote: »Three months is not a lot of time
You mean like EVERYONE in America who pays for "fast Internet" from Comcast, TWC, ***, etc and NEVER gets what they paid for? Also you mention TV, TWC has some of the worst possible television broadcasting in the USA, it has digital artifacts constantly, sound goes up and down mid program, sometimes the box just stops and does nothing. But we pay for it still because in the USA anti monopoly laws don't mean jack squat when the head of the FCC is a Cable lobbyist.
EDIT: my third cable company reference was censored even though it's the exact name of the company and it rhymes with box.Edited by DeLindsay on July 3, 2014 5:32PM -
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✭@Anastasia
That was a good post.
I have played TES series since Daggerfall loved the lore, immersion game engine you named it I loved it. Morrowind was the best imo.
What I can't stand to see is the MMO I have been looking forward to since I heard it was being made being so badly butchered with every patch/hotfix or the fact they ignore the real issues and released a very unpolished game. PvP has been broken for over a week when has that been heard of in the MMO market? Have a scroll through these forums and you will see what I mean, better yet check your guilds/friends list you will see by the days inactive that we are not alone. -
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✭I paid 120 AUD for the imp edition then 2/15 AUD for 2 months(played 3 we got one free that we had to sub for at the start). I have more than paid for my right to complain about this bug riddled game. No skin off my nose I do this in between browsing the webs and playing my other games.Edited by KBKB on July 3, 2014 5:49PM -
Anastasia✭✭✭✭Black-Bird wrote: »@Anastasia
That was a good post.
I have played TES series since Daggerfall loved the lore, immersion game engine you named it I loved it. Morrowind was the best imo.
What I can't stand to see is the MMO I have been looking forward to since I heard it was being made being so badly butchered with every patch/hotfix or the fact they ignore the real issues and released a very unpolished game. PvP has been broken for over a week when has that been heard of in the MMO market? Have a scroll through these forums and you will see what I mean, better yet check your guilds/friends list you will see by the days inactive that we are not alone.
I see your frustration - have a friend who's been kinda down about it also, but has been more encouraged this last week/patch etc.
I do enjoy others sharing their sentiments here like you - especially when they waited and looked forward to TESO's launch/ implementation and then it has problems. I hope for many of us that Zeni keeps on working on squaring away what some feel are the major problems so that more Tamriel goodness can be enjoyed by all of us.
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✭Black-Bird wrote: »@Anastasia
That was a good post.
I have played TES series since Daggerfall loved the lore, immersion game engine you named it I loved it. Morrowind was the best imo.
What I can't stand to see is the MMO I have been looking forward to since I heard it was being made being so badly butchered with every patch/hotfix or the fact they ignore the real issues and released a very unpolished game. PvP has been broken for over a week when has that been heard of in the MMO market? Have a scroll through these forums and you will see what I mean, better yet check your guilds/friends list you will see by the days inactive that we are not alone.
I see your frustration - have a friend who's been kinda down about it also, but has been more encouraged this last week/patch etc.
I do enjoy others sharing their sentiments here like you - especially when they waited and looked forward to TESO's launch/ implementation and then it has problems. I hope for many of us that Zeni keeps on working on squaring away what some feel are the major problems so that more Tamriel goodness can be enjoyed by all of us.
Heh the last patch was the straw that broke the camels back for me PvP unplayable which was why I was here
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Anastasia✭✭✭✭Black-Bird wrote: »Black-Bird wrote: »@Anastasia
That was a good post.
I have played TES series since Daggerfall loved the lore, immersion game engine you named it I loved it. Morrowind was the best imo.
What I can't stand to see is the MMO I have been looking forward to since I heard it was being made being so badly butchered with every patch/hotfix or the fact they ignore the real issues and released a very unpolished game. PvP has been broken for over a week when has that been heard of in the MMO market? Have a scroll through these forums and you will see what I mean, better yet check your guilds/friends list you will see by the days inactive that we are not alone.
I see your frustration - have a friend who's been kinda down about it also, but has been more encouraged this last week/patch etc.
I do enjoy others sharing their sentiments here like you - especially when they waited and looked forward to TESO's launch/ implementation and then it has problems. I hope for many of us that Zeni keeps on working on squaring away what some feel are the major problems so that more Tamriel goodness can be enjoyed by all of us.
Heh the last patch was the straw that broke the camels back for me PvP unplayable which was why I was here
Yep, understood. For some this past week has been cruddy. It seems that ZOS sees the player suggestions, already knows what they need to do, and are implementing it in a way which will make a difference. Hard to have patience when you just want to simply play for a few hours but feel its all frickked up. Here's to Zeni staff getting the lag/way game is running for some folks corrected soon.
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Yep, understood. For some this past week has been cruddy. It seems that ZOS sees the player suggestions, already knows what they need to do, and are implementing it in a way which will make a difference. Hard to have patience when you just want to simply play for a few hours but feel its all frickked up. Here's to Zeni staff getting the lag/way game is running for some folks corrected soon.
Its been longer than a week that the performance issues have been present.
Player suggestions have nothing to do with fixing a faulty product, they have no idea what to do or it would have already been addressed.
I have been sold something so theres the initial cost and as part of that product ZOS provide a service on top of that which we all pay a monthly sub.
I along with a lot of other people are unable to make use of that service due to the issues with the product.
Its my firm belief that the people constantly making excuses for the delivery of a service which is not fit for purpose do not have real world experience, I say this because if they did and then they would also understand peoples issues the current state of the game.
Theres a complete lack of regular updates from ZOS, no valid road map of where they need to go, no proper incident, problem of change management, because if there was they wouldn't have realised a patch on to a live service with out proper risk assessment, UAT and a back out plan.
ZOS is an IT services company, they are unable to provide the service, if it wasn't for the odd way the gaming community behaves they wouldn't have a business. -
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✭incandescent wrote: »Would you pay a TV or phone provider for three months if their service kept breaking down or was unavailable?GossiTheDog wrote: »In video games, three months is several triple A titles. Gamers go to whatever is perceived to be the next big thing.
These two points encapsulate the issue. As paying customers we expect our products preform to a standard. That standard varies per customer, per product. If our products don't meet our standards, we move to the next best product.
If you intend on supporting this game, despite its obvious flaws, I'd suggest taking a less confrontational approach. Replying with, "If you don't like it then LEAVE!" only turns people away from the game you are passionate about. -
sajackson✭✭✭incandescent wrote: »
Would you pay a TV or phone provider for three months if their service kept breaking down or was unavailable?Fairydragon3 wrote: »Three months is not a lot of time
Actually most people do. Swapping TV/phone provider is a major PITA (in the UK anyway) so its normally just easier to put up with the *** service. -
Anastasia✭✭✭✭
Yep, understood. For some this past week has been cruddy. It seems that ZOS sees the player suggestions, already knows what they need to do, and are implementing it in a way which will make a difference. Hard to have patience when you just want to simply play for a few hours but feel its all frickked up. Here's to Zeni staff getting the lag/way game is running for some folks corrected soon.
Its been longer than a week that the performance issues have been present.
Player suggestions have nothing to do with fixing a faulty product, they have no idea what to do or it would have already been addressed.
I have been sold something so theres the initial cost and as part of that product ZOS provide a service on top of that which we all pay a monthly sub.
I along with a lot of other people are unable to make use of that service due to the issues with the product.
Its my firm belief that the people constantly making excuses for the delivery of a service which is not fit for purpose do not have real world experience, I say this because if they did and then they would also understand peoples issues the current state of the game.
Theres a complete lack of regular updates from ZOS, no valid road map of where they need to go, no proper incident, problem of change management, because if there was they wouldn't have realised a patch on to a live service with out proper risk assessment, UAT and a back out plan.
ZOS is an IT services company, they are unable to provide the service, if it wasn't for the odd way the gaming community behaves they wouldn't have a business.
"Its been longer than a week that the performance issues have been present.
Player suggestions have nothing to do with fixing a faulty product, they have no idea what to do or it would have already been addressed."
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I don't know. You may be construing a LOT. This Zeni staff is not comprised only of youthful and enthusiastic but-with-no-experience developers. The combined crew here has years of experience. They are not 'green'. They are not likely to be lazing around having brews and grinning at our p-o'd frustrations over difficulties faced in game right now either. They are pros for the most part doing their best, or wanting to but having to do their job within the parameters set out by the topmost executives of the company.
I personally don't know the suits/funders involved behind the scenes, do you? But I am definitely certain based on life experience that the power in decision making lies there, not from the front line as is often the case in MANY industries. Tech folks input should often be valued above all else regarding the product; in real life, that is not the way it works.
The day we are privy to the machinations which occurred with original intent before the game even started into official Beta, and creative design notwithstanding the budget considerations, in addition to what the company executives have outlined to be 'carried out' today is the day we can all start commenting with true clarity on why fixes are not being done in the time frame some of us would like.
Things are being worked on. I prefer my glasses half-full, and I would rather look for something good to happen than take the status quo and screw it realllll tight, making sure I affect everyone around me with negativity.
C'est la vie; keep at it Zeni, there are many players greatly enjoying your product. And we know that you know there are improvements to be made, and some of that 'we' don't expect it by noon tomorrow. Just keep at it!
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✭Black-Bird wrote: »Type "Eso is" into google see what comes up.
eso is...
eso is bad
eso issues
eso is dead
eso is amazing"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »Black-Bird wrote: »Type "Eso is" into google see what comes up.
eso is...
eso is bad
eso issues
eso is dead
eso is amazing
3/4 negative.
/rests case