Horse Questions

Targanwolf

I have an imperial mount with max carrying capacity(I do a lot of crafting)
I was thinking about a Gaited horse for use in Cyrodiil.
Some questions:
-investing in a Gaited horse and buying a lot of stamina....will reduce the enemy's ability to dismount me because I have a high stamina Gaited horse....right ?
-what happens to my characters high inventory when I switch from my high capacity Imperial horse and mount my(lower capacity) Gaited Horse ?
Thanks in advance for your help.

Evergnar

I would go for a fast horse for Cyrodiil. I have both fast (all speed) & gaited (50/50 stam/speed) and the fast performs far better. The black gated has issues with sprinting too.

You will still get dismounted fairly easily even w/ gaited.

When switching from your bag horse you lose that extra space until you switch back. So just make sure you're not maxed out/full before switching from your bag horse.

AngryWolf

You won't be able to switch horses till you have enough empty spaces to make the switch. However many spaces your first horse has added to your inventory.

Wolfshead

You will lose you inventory on your new horse let say you have total of 100 space ( that is 20 capacity on your horse) in in your inventory on your imperial mount when you buy a new horse with 10 in capacity you will have 90 in inventory space that is how it work and then you can't use the new horse until you lose 10 item in your inventory "this was just a example but that is how it basically work" i know i learn it hard way

AngryWolf

There is the advantage of running for longer with more stamina put in your horse, but I think Evergnar is right....I would go straight speed. I'm building a speed only for Cyrodill myself.

Liquid_Time

Yes, I also agree that the speed is much better IMO. Regarding the inv space. That has already been answered above, so no comment there.

Wolfshead

AngryWolf wrote: »

There is the advantage of running for longer with more stamina put in your horse, but I think Evergnar is right....I would go straight speed. I'm building a speed only for Cyrodill myself.

I have to agree with speed but if you want to have horse armor look on your horse then you should go for stamina other then you get armor look on horse i honest don't see any point stamina for if you have good speed on your horse you can run from most mobs and other player.

But i'm go for armor look on my 2nd horse now but that just for rpg basically and for cosmetic look nothing else.

R1ckyDaMan

I got the 42k speed horse, ranked up speed to 45% got the horseshoes etc, then put points in stam, now he has both the horse shoe stuff and head armor.

still have 9 points left, going tinto bag space.

Sengra

Can you make head armor on horses invisible like on chars?

R1ckyDaMan

no

Targanwolf

So are some of you saying.....there is little hope of NOT being dismounted...even if i went 100% stamina on a gated horse ?

AlexDougherty

Targanwolf wrote: »

So are some of you saying.....there is little hope of NOT being dismounted...even if i went 100% stamina on a gated horse ?

Only if you're hoping you an dismount-proof horse, if you just want a horse that can run for long distances, then you'll be fine.

But in the case of your particular expectations, yes, disappointment seems to be on the horizon.

Targanwolf

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Targanwolf wrote: »

So are some of you saying.....there is little hope of NOT being dismounted...even if i went 100% stamina on a gated horse ?

Only if you're hoping you an dismount-proof horse, if you just want a horse that can run for long distances, then you'll be fine.

But in the case of your particular expectations, yes, disappointment seems to be on the horizon.

(deep sigh of disappointment)

thank you

R1ckyDaMan

And to add to what has been said, stamina does not determine how long you're horse can sprint for.

Even when you're horse runs out of stamina it will still sprint as long as you hold the button down.

Devs have said this is by design and also said something about quick presses of sprint allows the horse to gather more speed, not sure on that last bit though.

AlexDougherty

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

And to add to what has been said, stamina does not determine how long you're horse can sprint for.

Even when you're horse runs out of stamina it will still sprint as long as you hold the button down.

Devs have said this is by design and also said something about quick presses of sprint allows the horse to gather more speed, not sure on that last bit though.

Really, I haven't done the stamina on the horses, but I thought it would make the bar bigger. This is stupid, we have a seperate speed stat, the only point for stamina would be for running longer.

Sometimes I wonder if the Devs understand the point of stats.

R1ckyDaMan

Well the last bit if I remember correctly was said you use more stamina the more you did it.

Aeratus

AlexDougherty wrote: »

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

And to add to what has been said, stamina does not determine how long you're horse can sprint for.

Even when you're horse runs out of stamina it will still sprint as long as you hold the button down.

Devs have said this is by design and also said something about quick presses of sprint allows the horse to gather more speed, not sure on that last bit though.

Really, I haven't done the stamina on the horses, but I thought it would make the bar bigger. This is stupid, we have a seperate speed stat, the only point for stamina would be for running longer.

Sometimes I wonder if the Devs understand the point of stats.

That's right. Stamina only determines whether you can start the sprint. Stamina is not needed to maintain the sprint.

People have debated as to whether this was intended by the devs or not. Those who think that it was not intended argue that horse stamina should work like character stamina in that your character's sprinting stops when you're out of stamina. Others argue that horse stamina is a different design alltogether that combines chracteristics of HP and stamina.

Aeradon

1. They will dismount you when you are hit with horse stamina being depleted. With as low as basic 10 stamina, you can ride through the gate before scrolls without being dismounted. Provided you do not sprint, and there are only NPCs.

2. Horse A results in you having 100 slots, Horse B makes 150 slots. If you are on Horse B and has 113 items, you need to remove your items to 100 in order to equip Horse A.

3. Horses are the only mount that has unlimited galloping when stamina depletes. Other mounts will have other attributes.

My suggestion, I have 3 horses, one is full speed for Cyrodiil, one is speed/stamina for questing, one is full bags for gathering and crafting. The stamina keeps me from dismount when I want to ignore mobs, remember that you should sprint less if you do not wish to be dismounted.

Dekkameron

Surely the thread title sure be.. Equestrions.....




I'll get my coat....

AlexDougherty

Dekkameron wrote: »

Surely the thread title sure be.. Equestrions.....




I'll get my coat....

That's worse than one of MY jokes. o.O

SystemiK

Aeradon wrote: »

3. Horses are the only mount that has unlimited galloping when stamina depletes. Other mounts will have other attributes.

Uhhhh....horses as opposed to WHAT other mounts? Donkeys? Dragons?

AlexDougherty

SystemiK wrote: »

Aeradon wrote: »

3. Horses are the only mount that has unlimited galloping when stamina depletes. Other mounts will have other attributes.

Uhhhh....horses as opposed to WHAT other mounts? Donkeys? Dragons?

Guar have been promised, you missed the future context, he said other mounts WILL have other attributes, will.

Evergnar

SystemiK wrote: »

Aeradon wrote: »

3. Horses are the only mount that has unlimited galloping when stamina depletes. Other mounts will have other attributes.

Uhhhh....horses as opposed to WHAT other mounts? Donkeys? Dragons?

As in new mounts will be coming soon. To a theater near you.
Actually I wouldn't mind a little burro for my little wood elf.

R1ckyDaMan

SystemiK wrote: »

Aeradon wrote: »

3. Horses are the only mount that has unlimited galloping when stamina depletes. Other mounts will have other attributes.

Uhhhh....horses as opposed to WHAT other mounts? Donkeys? Dragons?

Donkeys are real and in the game, ask any wood elf.

@Aeratus‌

A dev did confirm it is intended and explained why and what the benefits of stamina in a horse were (see my post further up)

PlagueMonk

Aeratus wrote: »

That's right. Stamina only determines whether you can start the sprint. Stamina is not needed to maintain the sprint.

People have debated as to whether this was intended by the devs or not. Those who think that it was not intended argue that horse stamina should work like character stamina in that your character's sprinting stops when you're out of stamina. Others argue that horse stamina is a different design altogether that combines characteristics of HP and stamina.

This is not quite true. There is a difference between sprinting and really fast, and a horse with more stamina can do the "real fast" thing longer. To get the speed boost you need to keep tapping the sprint key and you will move much faster but it will also deplete your stamina much more quickly. Once you run out of stamina though you will drop to "forever" speed.

Personally though I have found little use for the speed boost. It might help you get to a destination a short distance away but for real traveling distances it's worthless.

And the reason why stamina is near worthless is because even a horse with a lot of stamina will run out like all horses and then you are left getting unhorsed in one hit like everyone else. Speed however is permanent.

The sheer lack of logic on the Devs part in doing this escapes me. A horse with more stamina should be slower but be able to travel longer distances.....period.
Personally I think that over long distances a full stamina horse should get you there faster. A fast horse should cover distances faster but run out of stamina and have to rest more often to run again (basically move at a "normal" trot) until their bar is replenished. Kind of like the tortoise and hare parable.

I would really prefer the most optimum horse being a mixture of both speed AND stamina. Until the Devs catch a clue however, that will not be happening.

See a thread I have previously made about this very subject

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/111951/horse-stamina

Aeratus

As you sure there's a difference in speed between sprinting (shift-tab) and galloping? I see there is a cosmetic difference (including sound effect) but I really don't think there is any any difference in speed.

So I think tapping sprint will make the horse go at the same speed or less than by simply holding down the shift key.

R1ckyDaMan wrote: »

SystemiK wrote: »

Aeradon wrote: »

3. Horses are the only mount that has unlimited galloping when stamina depletes. Other mounts will have other attributes.

Uhhhh....horses as opposed to WHAT other mounts? Donkeys? Dragons?

Donkeys are real and in the game, ask any wood elf.

@Aeratus‌

A dev did confirm it is intended and explained why and what the benefits of stamina in a horse were (see my post further up)

Thanks for clarifying. That's interesting that they confirmed it was intended.