few people using TS3, Mumble etc

Hilgara

Considering how much group content there is in this game and the difficulty of some of the boss encounters (when level appropriate) I'm surprised that not more people use some form of voice chat. I'm in quite a large guild but only about half a dozen of us regularly use TS3 and only once have we gotten enough people on TS to run a trial. I have never been in a pug that used TS3 and have given up pugging all together.
For me voice communication (even if its one way) is critical in these dungeons. The mechanics of the boss encounters need to be explained and there needs to be some cohesion within the group to make sure everyone does what's required at the right time.
Maybe its due to the fact that for many TES fans this is their first MMO but if you are one of those you really should think about getting TS. It makes this game so much more enjoyable and not only for dungeons. Its good to be chatting to guild mates as you play and you learn a hell of a lot more than you ever would through chat.

Eivar

I've had the same issue in my guilds, the only people who seem to use voice chat frequently are pvpers.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Hilgara wrote: »

Maybe its due to the fact that for many TES fans this is their first MMO

Voice chat in leveling content really is overkill I would suggest, and since the majority of MMO players never do 'raid' content when it becomes almost mandatory then the majority of MMO players simply have never used it, it has little to do with 'TES newbies'.

In this game especially where the 'trinity' barely applies all fights are DPS zergs, little heed needs to be given to mechanics and on rare occasions where there is some boss gimmick that needs mentioning, a line or two in group chat will suffice.

Even in games where grouping is mandatory to level, for example FFXIV, you'll never need to use voice and few do.

I'd argue that content that demands use of voice is the antithesis of what the majority of gamers want, as evidenced by the success of non-hardcore game, and it's always been like that when only a small minority of players ever raid.

Sakiri

Its because we dont want in voice with random people.

Hilgara

I disagree. The most fun I have had in MMO's is leaning new boss mechanics with a group of friends on TS3. had some great evening in WOW when new content was released. Sure its possible to play without but its much more fun to use voice chat. The other advantage is that people tend to be a lot politer when talking to each other. There is so much total crap in chat that I normally have it switched of or limited to guild only.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Hilgara wrote: »

I disagree. The most fun I have had in MMO's is leaning new boss mechanics with a group of friends on TS3. .

The key word in what you said there is FRIENDS.

Yes, in a guild context voice is great .. with PUGs, it isn't and the OP seems to be addressing the issue of leveling content where PUGs are what most people will have to endure to 'group up'.

Hilgara

Some of those friends became friends through using TS3. Don't be so Xenophobic

Pele

What if you're deaf and/or mute?

Reevster

Never needed it in EQ1 , got along fine, the few times I did use it in other games I found it to be distracting from my game play and made things worst, some people just cant use it , plus if you internet connection is so/so it affects the game performance, there are reasons some prefer not to use it.

AelyinESO

Hilgara wrote: »

Some of those friends became friends through using TS3. Don't be so Xenophobic

Completely Agree.

Some people are shame, some people don't like or even speak another kinda of language and has some problems to speak, or it's just frustration.

Many, many people know what's TS, RaidCall, Ventri and etc., but don't like use for any reason like we're reading here.

The best option is to make people feel comfortable to join it, and you will see many people starting to use

Like @Hilgara‌ said, Don't be so Xenophobic, we're playing with different countries with different behaviors

Artemiisia

im in a pvp guild and people that dont use TS3 wont get allowed to join our raids in cyridol

Im also in a trails guilds, and again people wont get access to our progression if then dont use it.

They dont even have to speak, but liston and help the group is required

Reevster

Artemiisia wrote: »

im in a pvp guild and people that dont use TS3 wont get allowed to join our raids in cyridol

Im also in a trails guilds, and again people wont get access to our progression if then dont use it.

They dont even have to speak, but liston and help the group is required

This is exactly the reason we need solo content in expansions such as Craglorn, not everyone uses TS3 and mumble etc for many reasons, but we still want to play post VR10.

Artemiisia

Reevster wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

im in a pvp guild and people that dont use TS3 wont get allowed to join our raids in cyridol

Im also in a trails guilds, and again people wont get access to our progression if then dont use it.

They dont even have to speak, but liston and help the group is required

This is exactly the reason we need solo content in expansions such as Craglorn, not everyone uses TS3 and mumble etc for many reasons, but we still want to play post VR10.

I disagree, there should be different things for everybody, not all things should be the same style. If u cant live with this, dont play craglorn, nobody is forcing you.

Besides still lots of pugs out there, and what happens with them, they wont get pass the 2nd boss, many times not even the 1st without half the raid dying and the people thats left that knows how to move have to carry them.

Heishi

I personally refuse to use voice chat. Due to some things in the way I was raised, I have a terrible speaking voice. It was developed along the lines of how an accent develops so no matter what I try, there's no getting it to go away, so I work around it. Even on the phone if I'm rushed talking about something, excited, ect. I'm hard to understand. If I speak slowly it's tolerable, but in combat such as boss fights, it just would end up being worse and counter productive.

I've actually never ran into a boss/dungeon/ect I haven't been able to handle with a group of people who know how to play and possible 2 min of research on a boss gimmick. If you have to be lead by the nose, or have to lead others by the nose thought talking them through the combat then something's wrong.

It's moderately understandable to use voice, as someone else mentioned, for raids and large scale pvp since you have to get a whole group to realize quickly that x group is attacking x place, or dividing groups and being in contact with each other. Even so, I still feel this can easily be overcome with short text comments/commands. in most games you can even macro common things and go even quicker.

Artemiisia

trails is the only two 12 man dungeons we require ts3 for rest of craglorn can be done with groups.

Live with the fact that craglorn, one map is for groups only, and one map is for pvp only (so far)

maybe there will get more solo content in the future, should I then yell I want it to be group content....

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Hilgara wrote: »

Some of those friends became friends through using TS3. Don't be so Xenophobic

SO rarely as to be not relevant, and in any case the pain of many PUGs doesn't outweigh the pleasure of the few; to adapt a well known phrase and saying.

If you've played LOTRO you'd know that had built-in voice chat from day 1 (at a time when the game still had over-world group content) .. it's never used, even by those that do you voice, so even when the game makes it trivially easy to use most people don't want to.

Falmer

Actually it was the introduction of "voice chat" in LotRO that made me stop playing MMOs for quite a LONG time. It wasn't until SWTOR and ESO here where the majority of the game could be played solo that ever brought me back.

Voice Chat completely destroys the game for me. Nothing breaks the feeling of roaming the game world than hearing kids cursing, babies crying, someone coughing up a lung, people overusing the word "dude!",etc...

I like my world quiet and able to hear the game and not sounding like I am in bar.

TRIP233

I voice chat with friends in RL and online with Mumble. For my guilds we use RaidCall. For random people I encounter in the ESO world I use my keyboard...

Reevster

Artemiisia wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

im in a pvp guild and people that dont use TS3 wont get allowed to join our raids in cyridol

Im also in a trails guilds, and again people wont get access to our progression if then dont use it.

They dont even have to speak, but liston and help the group is required

This is exactly the reason we need solo content in expansions such as Craglorn, not everyone uses TS3 and mumble etc for many reasons, but we still want to play post VR10.

I disagree, there should be different things for everybody, not all things should be the same style. If u cant live with this, dont play craglorn, nobody is forcing you.

Besides still lots of pugs out there, and what happens with them, they wont get pass the 2nd boss, many times not even the 1st without half the raid dying and the people thats left that knows how to move have to carry them.

So you are telling us to unsub? Because once you hit V10 and have done most of the content , Craglorn is all that is left....

Fleymark

Reevster wrote: »

Never needed it in EQ1 , got along fine, the few times I did use it in other games I found it to be distracting from my game play and made things worst, some people just cant use it , plus if you internet connection is so/so it affects the game performance, there are reasons some prefer not to use it.

This.

I avoid Voice Chat like the plague. It's distracting, kills immersion and gives me a headache which, in turn, limits my game time. Also sets my crazy hound dog off which also adds to the constant headache. Listening to everybody's bad audio with levels all over the place and God only knows what going on in the background mixed down to 2 channels just isn't something I find enjoyable.

I'm fine that others like to use it but the expectation of those who do of others who don't annoys me to no end. It's entirety unnecessary.

Thechemicals

Last week i ran a pick up group and had 2 guildies and 2 randoms.... when one of the guildies asked if we should give them our TS info, a whole bag of thoughts crept up on me at that moment.

The first and most important was, "i am having fun right now, will these people reduce my funtime if they are unpleasant"?

I have been in groups where we are doing well and at the first moment we wipe, i get kicked and ignore listed.I have been in groups where one person blames another and then fights breakout. I have met some of the most tense anxiety filled people in this game and the thought of having that kinda behavior in my guilds teamspeak channel is just bad and undesired.

I have been in many teamspeak channels for eso, these are for the people that work together and arent d-bags. The problem with a d-bag is that he cant "get right" and it is generally assumed that in a pick up group/random group, a d-bag exists. Most mmo players have that perspective in my opinion and i definately dont go against the grain on that view.


Also, some players just have girly voices and avoid voice chat like the plague lol.

rammstein2001pub18_ESO

my personal opinion about ts3/vent .. i don't like listening to other people talk while im enjoying my music/gaming .. if you need ts3/vent to pvp right then clearly you haven't been gaming that long

Hilgara

rammstein2001pub18_ESO wrote: »

my personal opinion about ts3/vent .. i don't like listening to other people talk while im enjoying my music/gaming .. if you need ts3/vent to pvp right then clearly you haven't been gaming that long

No just bout 30 years. No one said you couldn't its just more fun and more effective to talk rather then type

Tabbycat

TS/Vent/Mumble etc all make me lag in game, sometimes worse than others. If there are a lot of characters in a zone and my fps are already taking a hit, running any type of voice chat in the background will make my fps nosedive into unplayable territory. This is why I rarely use such chats. It isn't that I don't enjoy talking to others, it's because my computer doesn't like it when I do so while playing.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Artemiisia wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

im in a pvp guild and people that dont use TS3 wont get allowed to join our raids in cyridol

Im also in a trails guilds, and again people wont get access to our progression if then dont use it.

They dont even have to speak, but liston and help the group is required

This is exactly the reason we need solo content in expansions such as Craglorn, not everyone uses TS3 and mumble etc for many reasons, but we still want to play post VR10.

I disagree, there should be different things for everybody, not all things should be the same style. If u cant live with this, dont play craglorn, nobody is forcing you.

That means character leveling stops at VR10 and so there's nothing left to do on that character because all content beyond that requires more leveling in 1990s group-or-GTFO. style.

Be happy in the future game where players level to 50 then leave because all that's left is a horrible XP grind followed by forced-group leveling after that. That may have worked in the 1990s it won't any more with enough players to keep the game running and it definitely won't work F2P.

FrauPerchta

I gave up on TS a few mmos ago when about all you ever heard sounded like a horde of hormone raging 12 year old males rutting.

Nazon_Katts

Please excuse the shameless plug, but anyone interested in starting up a voice-chat-free guild (EU/AD) feel free to drop me a PM!

Hiply

Hilgara wrote: »

rammstein2001pub18_ESO wrote: »

my personal opinion about ts3/vent .. i don't like listening to other people talk while im enjoying my music/gaming .. if you need ts3/vent to pvp right then clearly you haven't been gaming that long

No just bout 30 years. No one said you couldn't its just more fun and more effective to talk rather then type

For you, it's more fun. And that's fine. It's not more fun for everyone, as evidenced by comments to the contrary in this thread. People who don't want to use voice chat aren't doing it wrong, they aren't depriving themselves of something special, they've made a choice...just like you have.

SwampRaider

If you don't use Voice comms, you cant pvp with me. unless i am just ganking in wabba.

#hardcorepvpliiife

Turial

Pele wrote: »

What if you're deaf and/or mute?

I have a deaf/mute player in a guild in another game and even she manages to get on TS. Yes that sounds absurd but she can hear partially with an aid and does so when it comes to difficult content if just to listen to the group.

kirnmalidus

Our guild uses TS3 heavily. If you are still looking for a group that uses TS to support groups in ESO check us out at www.zealotgaming.com or hit me up in game (also @KirnMalidus).