Furure Updates - More Group, No Solo !

Phantax

Part of the recent Ask us Anything Q&A concerned group/solo play -


I do occasionally group up with a friend to do quests and the like, but very rarely more than that. From what I can see of Craglorn, everything is group based. While I am happy to see that content come out for the game's longevity, I probably won't see it. Will there be any Veteran content in the future that does not rely on being grouped? – John Adams-Wade

Yes. We’ll continue to add content in the game for all types of players. We may concentrate in the immediate future on “new” content which is four-player or twelve-player group based, but we will have lots of features coming in which benefit all players, including having more varied activities.


Personally this was exactly what I didn't want to read. Surely Zenimax must have seen the vast number of threads complaining about the lack of solo content being added to the game.
Now I agree the post does not say there won't be any solo content coming, but it seems as though it certainly won't be any time soon !

From my personal point of view I was hoping for some solo content. July's update has pretty much been announced so I was holding out for August (also happens to be end of my renewal period) so I'm going to have to decide what I want to do from that point onwards !

Wifeaggro13

Phantax wrote: »

Part of the recent Ask us Anything Q&A concerned group/solo play -


I do occasionally group up with a friend to do quests and the like, but very rarely more than that. From what I can see of Craglorn, everything is group based. While I am happy to see that content come out for the game's longevity, I probably won't see it. Will there be any Veteran content in the future that does not rely on being grouped? – John Adams-Wade

Yes. We’ll continue to add content in the game for all types of players. We may concentrate in the immediate future on “new” content which is four-player or twelve-player group based, but we will have lots of features coming in which benefit all players, including having more varied activities.


Personally this was exactly what I didn't want to read. Surely Zenimax must have seen the vast number of threads complaining about the lack of solo content being added to the game.
Now I agree the post does not say there won't be any solo content coming, but it seems as though it certainly won't be any time soon !

From my personal point of view I was hoping for some solo content. July's update has pretty much been announced so I was holding out for August (also happens to be end of my renewal period) so I'm going to have to decide what I want to do from that point onwards !

Jesus mother marry and Joseph son the whole Damn game is solo! What damn game are you playing? there is 400 hours of this content Lvl 1 through VR 10! you up set because you cant solo Craglorn? go get a dress and a stick all the cool kids are doing it

Warface1978

Yeah, I just hit VR 1 and have grouped exactly 4 times. I am a solo fiend......slow leveling........but that's my style.

theyancey

I do not group. I am a PvE solo player only. I really enjoy this game but would leave once there was n o more solo content for me.

Ralathar44

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Jesus mother marry and Joseph son the whole Damn game is solo! What damn game are you playing? there is 400 hours of this content Lvl 1 through VR 10! you up set because you cant solo Craglorn? go get a dress and a stick all the cool kids are doing it

And this is why the devs cannot listen to and please everyone. Because alot of people are diametrically opposed in how they want to play. Also because those same players are super biased in their viewpoints typically.

This is merely a good example of that.

aipex8_ESO

The July update will include the beginning of the reworked (larger and more interesting) delves, which are my favorite things to solo. So there is content coming for solo players. I'm guessing you won't see solo zones filled with quests until it's time for an expansion.

LonePirate

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

The July update will include the beginning of the reworked (larger and more interesting) delves, which are my favorite things to solo. So there is content coming for solo players. I'm guessing you won't see solo zones filled with quests until it's time for an expansion.

Reworking the existing content of the delves is not needed. Almost all players seem to be pleased with them, apart from the occasional complaint that they can be circular at times, which is a minor quibble at best.

I would much rather a brand new set of delves be added to the game instead of putting a new coat of paint on the existing ones and calling it new content.

Besides, after Craglorn and its dozen or so group delves and dungeons were released, the one important takeaway from a content perspective was not that the masses were clamoring for another group dungeon. I swear the content manager for this game needs to be reassigned because they are amazingly incompetent and tone deaf when it comes to overseeing and guiding this game.

Worstluck

Hmm well I have my Explorer title already. I've been to every delve in the game. I guess I can go through them again....content..ehhh

vyndral13preub18_ESO

LonePirate wrote: »

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

The July update will include the beginning of the reworked (larger and more interesting) delves, which are my favorite things to solo. So there is content coming for solo players. I'm guessing you won't see solo zones filled with quests until it's time for an expansion.

Reworking the existing content of the delves is not needed. Almost all players seem to be pleased with them, apart from the occasional complaint that they can be circular at times, which is a minor quibble at best.

I would much rather a brand new set of delves be added to the game instead of putting a new coat of paint on the existing ones and calling it new content.

Besides, after Craglorn and its dozen or so group delves and dungeons were released, the one important takeaway from a content perspective was not that the masses were clamoring for another group dungeon. I swear the content manager for this game needs to be reassigned because they are amazingly incompetent and tone deaf when it comes to overseeing and guiding this game.

Disagree id love to have a set of larger new and improved delves for soloing fun.

Gilvoth

i love the solo quests and i spend alot of time looking for solo content.

PBpsy

1.We have 15 major Zones of solo content + 5minor zones of solo content.
2.We have 1 mega zone for PVP solo and group content with a lot of repeatable solo pve opportunities.
3.We Have 15 dungeons and 1 major zone for group content. With the zone having quite a bit of soloable content.
4.It is an MMORPG.
We have more solo content than group content at the moment. For a while expect more group content as it is necessary. I do want more solo content in the future since I do play mostly solo but they are right in their decision to add group content at the moment.
I would certainly like more public group dungeons though since they are the best solo content in my opinion .

Gilvoth

yeah but im vet 12, and there is no more for me in solo, accpt doing dailies in cryodiil and i dont get xp i just get gold, which is not much gold but its my only source of income at this time.

Evergnar

Funny how you never hear much about 2 player. It's a pretty big percentage of players imo.

I think there's a real need to adjust all solo content to allow 1 extra group member. If a solo player thinks it's too hard and is a loner allow them to rent a NPC mercenary to take with them.

LonePirate

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

The July update will include the beginning of the reworked (larger and more interesting) delves, which are my favorite things to solo. So there is content coming for solo players. I'm guessing you won't see solo zones filled with quests until it's time for an expansion.

Reworking the existing content of the delves is not needed. Almost all players seem to be pleased with them, apart from the occasional complaint that they can be circular at times, which is a minor quibble at best.

I would much rather a brand new set of delves be added to the game instead of putting a new coat of paint on the existing ones and calling it new content.

Besides, after Craglorn and its dozen or so group delves and dungeons were released, the one important takeaway from a content perspective was not that the masses were clamoring for another group dungeon. I swear the content manager for this game needs to be reassigned because they are amazingly incompetent and tone deaf when it comes to overseeing and guiding this game.

Disagree id love to have a set of larger nee and improved delves for soloing fun.

Seriously? You would prefer they rework the current stuff instead of creating new stuff that would be based on what they want to do to the existing delves? You prefer the new coat of paint instead of the new car?

Worstluck

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

yeah but im vet 12, and there is no more for me in solo, accpt doing dailies in cryodiil and i dont get xp i just get gold, which is not much gold but its my only source of income at this time.

I am in the same boat. I like the game so much (I truly do), and had a ton of free time over the past few months, so I got to VR12 and have nothing to do but veteran dungeons, Cyrodiil, or Trials. So I made a new low level alt to play while my sub runs out.

I realize I am not the norm and have no qualms with them releasing group content, however, there is just not much else to do, so I will just have to check back later.

Ralathar44

LonePirate wrote: »

Seriously? You would prefer they rework the current stuff instead of creating new stuff that would be based on what they want to do to the existing delves? You prefer the new coat of paint instead of the new car?

Opinions like yours are why we spend 100 developer hours to make content someone spends 5 hours on once. It's shiny, it's new, but it's inefficient and still cannot please your desire for moar or new shinies.

I'm totally ok with the core game being improved instead of a hopeless attempt to make new content faster than people can play through or ignore it. Quality over quantity imo.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

LonePirate wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

The July update will include the beginning of the reworked (larger and more interesting) delves, which are my favorite things to solo. So there is content coming for solo players. I'm guessing you won't see solo zones filled with quests until it's time for an expansion.

Reworking the existing content of the delves is not needed. Almost all players seem to be pleased with them, apart from the occasional complaint that they can be circular at times, which is a minor quibble at best.

I would much rather a brand new set of delves be added to the game instead of putting a new coat of paint on the existing ones and calling it new content.

Besides, after Craglorn and its dozen or so group delves and dungeons were released, the one important takeaway from a content perspective was not that the masses were clamoring for another group dungeon. I swear the content manager for this game needs to be reassigned because they are amazingly incompetent and tone deaf when it comes to overseeing and guiding this game.

Disagree id love to have a set of larger nee and improved delves for soloing fun.

Seriously? You would prefer they rework the current stuff instead of creating new stuff that would be based on what they want to do to the existing delves? You prefer the new coat of paint instead of the new car?

If the new coat of paint made my car bigger faster stronger i wouldn't mind. Delves to me are some of the most fun i have in the game. Places you can go and grind out some mobs and just have fun not having to run far between each pack. Making these longer and more indepth to me is a fantastic change.

Of course im not done with all the content so maybe i would feel different if i were 'done'

Ralathar44

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Of course im not done with all the content so maybe i would feel different if i were 'done'

You mean you didn't power through the content with a single character (missing part of it) as fast as possible and then demand more content?

You sir are an MMORPG heretic.

Gilvoth

Evergnar wrote: »

Funny how you never hear much about 2 player. It's a pretty big percentage of players imo.

I think there's a real need to adjust all solo content to allow 1 extra group member. If a solo player thinks it's too hard and is a loner allow them to rent a NPC mercenary to take with them.

this is exactly what i have been asking for over and over and over when this forum was in the bethesda section / forum

we solo players need to have mercenary / hirelings with us (especially us nightblades) if we go into a group then our hirling disapiers as to not make us annoying. if we go into stealth then our hireling or follower will go into stealth with us. the hireling should suit the owner or leader's playstyle and do as he does including our ability to give him epic armor and weapons and even a weekly income to keep him happy and want stay with us as a friend.
this alone would make me sooo happy and make me want to never leave the game and come to the forums

id like to also add that this would help "balance" us nightblades to help us damage deal like the other classes, and allow us more ability to survive and do more damage

floweringmind

I would really like them to fix all the bugs with grouping. It is a great solo game, but currently sucks to group with friends or find groups. I gave up on the group finder as it just spins and spins and spins and never finds me anyone to play with.

Worstluck

Ralathar44 wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Of course im not done with all the content so maybe i would feel different if i were 'done'

You mean you didn't power through the content with a single character (missing part of it) as fast as possible and then demand more content?

You sir are an MMORPG heretic.

I am VR12. Do you assume that I exploited my way there, and skipped all the content? Curious to see what your answer is.

Sakiri

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

The July update will include the beginning of the reworked (larger and more interesting) delves, which are my favorite things to solo. So there is content coming for solo players. I'm guessing you won't see solo zones filled with quests until it's time for an expansion.

Reworking the existing content of the delves is not needed. Almost all players seem to be pleased with them, apart from the occasional complaint that they can be circular at times, which is a minor quibble at best.

I would much rather a brand new set of delves be added to the game instead of putting a new coat of paint on the existing ones and calling it new content.

Besides, after Craglorn and its dozen or so group delves and dungeons were released, the one important takeaway from a content perspective was not that the masses were clamoring for another group dungeon. I swear the content manager for this game needs to be reassigned because they are amazingly incompetent and tone deaf when it comes to overseeing and guiding this game.

Disagree id love to have a set of larger new and improved delves for soloing fun.

No reason to do them more than once.

LonePirate

Sakiri wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

The July update will include the beginning of the reworked (larger and more interesting) delves, which are my favorite things to solo. So there is content coming for solo players. I'm guessing you won't see solo zones filled with quests until it's time for an expansion.

Reworking the existing content of the delves is not needed. Almost all players seem to be pleased with them, apart from the occasional complaint that they can be circular at times, which is a minor quibble at best.

I would much rather a brand new set of delves be added to the game instead of putting a new coat of paint on the existing ones and calling it new content.

Besides, after Craglorn and its dozen or so group delves and dungeons were released, the one important takeaway from a content perspective was not that the masses were clamoring for another group dungeon. I swear the content manager for this game needs to be reassigned because they are amazingly incompetent and tone deaf when it comes to overseeing and guiding this game.

Disagree id love to have a set of larger new and improved delves for soloing fun.

No reason to do them more than once.

If they would put daily quests in each of the reworked delves, then I would fully support the idea of reworking them. Otherwise, I would prefer the devs spend their time on NEW content and not RECYCLED old content.

Phantax

Evergnar wrote: »

Funny how you never hear much about 2 player. It's a pretty big percentage of players imo.

I think there's a real need to adjust all solo content to allow 1 extra group member. If a solo player thinks it's too hard and is a loner allow them to rent a NPC mercenary to take with them.

Seriously think this is a good idea. Lets face it, either the undaunted or the fighters guild would be excellent places to find for hire/mercenary NPCs
Skyrim had this and it worked brilliantly !

This together with some new VR level/endgame solo play would add some real immersion back into the game !

Ralathar44

Phantax wrote: »

Evergnar wrote: »

Funny how you never hear much about 2 player. It's a pretty big percentage of players imo.

I think there's a real need to adjust all solo content to allow 1 extra group member. If a solo player thinks it's too hard and is a loner allow them to rent a NPC mercenary to take with them.

Seriously think this is a good idea. Lets face it, either the undaunted or the fighters guild would be excellent places to find for hire/mercenary NPCs
Skyrim had this and it worked brilliantly !

You did well up to this point. You've argued for an idea which has merits even if this is glorified solo play.

This together with some new VR level/endgame solo play would add some real immersion back into the game !

This is where you jumped the shark. These are not immersive concepts, they are not anti-immersive either. Just different. Tacking on immersion to your argument just because this is an Elder Scrolls game does not strengthen your argument, it actually weakens it.

Either use the immersion argument properly or do not use it at all. Not because I say so, but because it is to your own benefit to do so.


I really wish people would learn to argue properly and stop trying to play politics, irregardless of whether they support my personal desires or not. All it does is blow smoke and does not help anyone.

Phantax

Ralathar44 wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

Evergnar wrote: »

Funny how you never hear much about 2 player. It's a pretty big percentage of players imo.

I think there's a real need to adjust all solo content to allow 1 extra group member. If a solo player thinks it's too hard and is a loner allow them to rent a NPC mercenary to take with them.

Seriously think this is a good idea. Lets face it, either the undaunted or the fighters guild would be excellent places to find for hire/mercenary NPCs
Skyrim had this and it worked brilliantly !

You did well up to this point. You've argued for an idea which has merits even if this is glorified solo play.

This together with some new VR level/endgame solo play would add some real immersion back into the game !

This is where you jumped the shark. These are not immersive concepts, they are not anti-immersive either. Just different. Tacking on immersion to your argument just because this is an Elder Scrolls game does not strengthen your argument, it actually weakens it.

Either use the immersion argument properly or do not use it at all. Not because I say so, but because it is to your own benefit to do so.


I really wish people would learn to argue properly and stop trying to play politics, irregardless of whether they support my personal desires or not. All it does is blow smoke and does not help anyone.

I wish people would stop talking crap, but unfortunately they still do !

I always got a good sense of immersion when (in Skyrim) I would find something I struggled to do then went and hired a companion/NPC to go help me achieve it !
To me that seems perfectly legit, almost real as in life there are things that we cannot accomplish alone, yet with others/as a team we are able to overcome them !

Jopoder

I want group finding tool to be fixed at first. Something is wrong in players waiting hours to get grouped for a dungeon run.

And i want more solo and less group content.

Phantax

Jopoder wrote: »

I want group finding tool to be fixed at first. Something is wrong in players waiting hours to get grouped for a dungeon run.

And i want more solo and less group content.

Agreed, on both points

Wifeaggro13

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

yeah but im vet 12, and there is no more for me in solo, accpt doing dailies in cryodiil and i dont get xp i just get gold, which is not much gold but its my only source of income at this time.

that has to do with them Locking EXP and loot at 6 levels above or below. There would be plenty of stuff to farm and make money on combat at V 12 had they not done this.

Phantax

Err.. its not difficult to make 750-1000g an hour in Craglorn. Its not that interesting, but at least its easy....lol

Vuron

It completely boggles my mind how some of you sign up for an MMO with tens or hundreds of thousands of players and are lobbying to be able to play with NPC companions.

You could, at least, try to play with other human beings. You may end up liking it.