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3 second kill. Damn, sorcs are better than nightblades!
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭countesscrownub18_ESO wrote: »I'm really considering rolling a sorc, they seem to be the best class to play in PVP, particularly when stealthed. You can kill a V12 DK sword & board heavy armor tank, who is riding their horse ( me) in 3 seconds flat.
I got knocked off my horse, was flat on the ground, then I got knocked down again. I ALMOST stood up when I was being attacked, but 100% of my health I was pretty much stunned. I know the sorc was stealthed and I was on my horse, which means the sorc had the advantage in this "fight".
I don't see why anyone in their right mind would roll a stamina build (which I did). Not that it made much difference when I was being attacked, but if I'm doing the attacking it's going to take longer to kill someone than a sorc.
And people who say sorcerers are being nerfed and are useless and who whine and moan about their precious bolt escape being nerfed. Learn to play.
As you can see this guy must have proc'd crystal fragments, in the end he got a lucky 5% chance insta kill on me. Unfortunately you can't proc any stamina ability and you can't insta kill with any stamina ability.
here are my stats, you can laugh at them if you like
What's interesting about this is that Crystal Fragments does not work with disintegration. Disintegration is designed to work with electricity attacks.
I am thinking his last attack was a lightning based AOE. Disintegration is a 5 percent chance if mob is below %.
The only advantage to Crystal Fragments is that it does knock you down. If timed correctly I can keep a mob laying on the ground. Unfortunately the mana cost to use is extreme. So 3 casts is all I can get.
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭Hey dude, dont believe what I say,, but believe your own eyes..
I am spamming crystal shards and you see the last one launching at 8 seconds.
Then another 1-2 seconds for the light attack to hit. Just ignore the time after the last crystal shard launched.. I had to interrupt my stun so I could finish the fight :P
Also, notice my magicka bar... After 4 shards I am tapped. If you dodged/blocked the attacks, you would have made that sorcerer your $*!@#.
What's your character level?
Xharacter stats?
Also why are you showing it vs a mob?
Can't you show it against another player?
Anyway, put the video speed to 0.25
And the time would only starts when the opponent is actually hit. Watching the video, just before the 3s mark you hit the mob, 6s mark you hit the 3rd crystal shard.
That took you about 3 seconds to get the mob to about 15% health. Add that with a (light attack+disintegrate) and also with a proc from the crystal shards, less than 3s.
Thank you for showing visual factual evidence and backing up my point.
Factual evidence that you had about 10-12 seconds minimum on a perfect run of 4 crystal fragments and a staff attack? Ok.
That is all I was showing was the timing. Thought that was pretty clear... oh well.
Are you saying it takes 10 seconds minimum to cast 4 crystal fragments and a staff attack?
And you showed the timing, and validated and proved my argument in the video. So I thank you for that.Edited by Valn on June 16, 2014 3:29AM -
Hawke✭✭✭✭Hey dude, dont believe what I say,, but believe your own eyes..
I am spamming crystal shards and you see the last one launching at 8 seconds.
Then another 1-2 seconds for the light attack to hit. Just ignore the time after the last crystal shard launched.. I had to interrupt my stun so I could finish the fight :P
Also, notice my magicka bar... After 4 shards I am tapped. If you dodged/blocked the attacks, you would have made that sorcerer your $*!@#.
What's your character level?
Xharacter stats?
Also why are you showing it vs a mob?
Can't you show it against another player?
Anyway, put the video speed to 0.25
And the time would only starts when the opponent is actually hit. Watching the video, just before the 3s mark you hit the mob, 6s mark you hit the 3rd crystal shard.
That took you about 3 seconds to get the mob to about 15% health. Add that with a (light attack+disintegrate) and also with a proc from the crystal shards, less than 3s.
Thank you for showing visual factual evidence and backing up my point.
Factual evidence that you had about 10-12 seconds minimum on a perfect run of 4 crystal fragments and a staff attack? Ok.
That is all I was showing was the timing. Thought that was pretty clear... oh well.
Are you saying it takes 10 seconds minimum to cast 4 crystal fragments and a staff attack?
The video shows 4 crystal shard attacks... if you took some time to watch it.. .since I took some time to make it. It starts up in the sneak position, casting crystal shards. -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭Hey dude, dont believe what I say,, but believe your own eyes..
I am spamming crystal shards and you see the last one launching at 8 seconds.
Then another 1-2 seconds for the light attack to hit. Just ignore the time after the last crystal shard launched.. I had to interrupt my stun so I could finish the fight :P
Also, notice my magicka bar... After 4 shards I am tapped. If you dodged/blocked the attacks, you would have made that sorcerer your $*!@#.
What's your character level?
Xharacter stats?
Also why are you showing it vs a mob?
Can't you show it against another player?
Anyway, put the video speed to 0.25
And the time would only starts when the opponent is actually hit. Watching the video, just before the 3s mark you hit the mob, 6s mark you hit the 3rd crystal shard.
That took you about 3 seconds to get the mob to about 15% health. Add that with a (light attack+disintegrate) and also with a proc from the crystal shards, less than 3s.
Thank you for showing visual factual evidence and backing up my point.
Factual evidence that you had about 10-12 seconds minimum on a perfect run of 4 crystal fragments and a staff attack? Ok.
That is all I was showing was the timing. Thought that was pretty clear... oh well.
Are you saying it takes 10 seconds minimum to cast 4 crystal fragments and a staff attack?
The video shows 4 crystal shard attacks... if you took some time to watch it.. .since I took some time to make it. It starts up in the sneak position, casting crystal shards.
Yes you're right. You casted 4 crystal shards in the video.
But it took you 3 crystal shards to get the mob down to about 15% health. And like I said in the other post, add an extra light attack on the end of that with disintegration, and consider the fact one of the shards procced. About 3 seconds.
Just watch the time on the video from the second the first shard hits the mob, to the 3rd shard.Edited by Valn on June 16, 2014 3:33AM -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭I dont care about the damage. I am trying to disprove the fallacy that crystal shard/fragment can kill someone in 3 seconds. Meaning you had 10 seconds to be doing stuff in the fight. Which is your problem.
Crystal fragments ALONE cannot kill someone in 3 seconds, that is correct. Who's argument are you trying to counter here? I never said crystal fragments alone can kill someone in 3 seconds.
And I have proven to you multiple times (in fact you helped me) that 3 crystal fragments + light attack + disintegrate can kill someone in 3 seconds.Edited by Valn on June 16, 2014 3:38AM -
Hawke✭✭✭✭I dont care about the damage. I am trying to disprove the fallacy that crystal shard/fragment can kill someone in 3 seconds. Meaning you had 10 seconds to be doing stuff in the fight. Which is your problem.
Crystal fragments ALONE cannot kill someone in 3 seconds, that is correct. Who's argument are you trying to counter here? I never said crystal fragments alone can kill someone in 3 seconds.
*Points to thread title* 3 second kill. Damn, sorcs are better than nightblades!
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭I dont care about the damage. I am trying to disprove the fallacy that crystal shard/fragment can kill someone in 3 seconds. Meaning you had 10 seconds to be doing stuff in the fight. Which is your problem.
Crystal fragments ALONE cannot kill someone in 3 seconds, that is correct. Who's argument are you trying to counter here? I never said crystal fragments alone can kill someone in 3 seconds.
*Points to thread title* 3 second kill. Damn, sorcs are better than nightblades!
Then your death cap.
Fight starts when I'm hit by the 1st crystal fragment
Crystal fragments - Instant
Crystal fragments -1.3
Crystal fragments - 1.3
Light attack - like 0.2s
Disintegration - Instant
About 3 seconds.
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jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭Lag is a possible explanation here. last night I lagged 10 seconds at times.www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO4 -
Vis✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont care about the damage. I am trying to disprove the fallacy that crystal shard/fragment can kill someone in 3 seconds. Meaning you had 10 seconds to be doing stuff in the fight. Which is your problem.
And I have proven to you multiple times (in fact you helped me) that 3 crystal fragments + light attack + disintegrate can kill someone in 3 seconds.
Mob does not equal v12 player. Otherwise I would run into a 1v6 any day. Even a mob, with lower mits takes longer than 3 seconds.
Thank you Hawke for taking the time to make it. Even Valn has suddenly become quiet about fragments proccing fragments.v14 Sorc Vae Exillis
v14 DK Costs
v14 NB 'Vis
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Vis✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont care about the damage. I am trying to disprove the fallacy that crystal shard/fragment can kill someone in 3 seconds. Meaning you had 10 seconds to be doing stuff in the fight. Which is your problem.
Crystal fragments ALONE cannot kill someone in 3 seconds, that is correct. Who's argument are you trying to counter here? I never said crystal fragments alone can kill someone in 3 seconds.
*Points to thread title* 3 second kill. Damn, sorcs are better than nightblades!
Then your death cap.
Fight starts when I'm hit by the 1st crystal fragment
Crystal fragments - Instant
Crystal fragments -1.3
Crystal fragments - 1.3
Light attack - like 0.2s
Disintegration - Instant
About 3 seconds.
Again thank you for proving that i am correct.
Assuming zero attack duration and travel time. Good assumptions if you ask me.v14 Sorc Vae Exillis
v14 DK Costs
v14 NB 'Vis
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭I dont care about the damage. I am trying to disprove the fallacy that crystal shard/fragment can kill someone in 3 seconds. Meaning you had 10 seconds to be doing stuff in the fight. Which is your problem.
And I have proven to you multiple times (in fact you helped me) that 3 crystal fragments + light attack + disintegrate can kill someone in 3 seconds.
Mob does not equal v12 player. Otherwise I would run into a 1v6 any day. Even a mob, with lower mits takes longer than 3 seconds.
Thank you Hawke for taking the time to make it. Even Valn has suddenly become quiet about fragments proccing fragments.
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭Plus light attack is NOT .2 seconds.. there is a travel time, and some delay to attack. Did you not watch the video?
Okay. 0.3 seconds then. I guess YOU didn't even watch your own video. Are you embarrased that you've just proven my point? And i don't think anyone has ever claimed it takes 3 seconds to kill someone with crystal fragments alone. -
tordr86b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont care about the damage. I am trying to disprove the fallacy that crystal shard/fragment can kill someone in 3 seconds. Meaning you had 10 seconds to be doing stuff in the fight. Which is your problem.
And I have proven to you multiple times (in fact you helped me) that 3 crystal fragments + light attack + disintegrate can kill someone in 3 seconds.
Mob does not equal v12 player. Otherwise I would run into a 1v6 any day. Even a mob, with lower mits takes longer than 3 seconds.
Thank you Hawke for taking the time to make it. Even Valn has suddenly become quiet about fragments proccing fragments.
Fragments can proc fragments that is correct.
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Reykice✭✭✭✭✭You as a DK have the option to be immune to the spell killing you... this is how they implemented balance. They did not think people would be too dumb to use it, i`m sure the next ESO will come with a "oh look people are attacking you with magic, how about you use the magic reflect spell?" warning...
As for being on the horse... its like complaining you could not see your enemy and asking for a nerf because you had your eyes closed.
If your problem is the horse knock down you already have the solution... don`t use the horse. They have a teleport system in place, you are not alone on the map and so on...
You just got killed by better players, no shame in that, as the tool tip says, spend a few skill points or level up and come back later!) -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭I dont care about the damage. I am trying to disprove the fallacy that crystal shard/fragment can kill someone in 3 seconds. Meaning you had 10 seconds to be doing stuff in the fight. Which is your problem.
And I have proven to you multiple times (in fact you helped me) that 3 crystal fragments + light attack + disintegrate can kill someone in 3 seconds.
Mob does not equal v12 player. Otherwise I would run into a 1v6 any day. Even a mob, with lower mits takes longer than 3 seconds.
Thank you Hawke for taking the time to make it. Even Valn has suddenly become quiet about fragments proccing fragments.
Fragments can proc fragments that is correct.
No it can`t.... good to see you really know nothing about the spell you are asking them to nerf. Or the game...
But keep going this thread should always stay on the first page, it will show what kind of people want to nerf the Socerer, the people who have no PvP experience or Sorcerer experience...
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Soloeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don't nerf the sorc, Crystal Fragments is really one of the few things we have. I noted in a few threads I made recently some of the useless ability problems sorcerers have, combined with 1-5 bar.
Nerfing it only makes us spam the next best thing instead, and then you will want that nerfed. The solution is to give Stamina Builds an active that lasts for 10 seconds, costs 50% max mana or something and while active reduce Stamina Costs by 80%.
This will enable "power mode" of sorts and equal the field by giving them a "mandatory power" kind of like our crystal shards.
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lol... I know Jaiyce well, he goes on about exactly what he did to you - ALL the time. xD
- Unfortunately theres nothing you can do about it other than try to work out a counter strategy - I usually spam insta-heal as a templar and have about 1900 spell ress. Some times it works, sometimes it keeps me up long enough for their friends to kill me.
- You gotta keep in mind that cyrodil is not balanced for 1v1 combat - you could get owned instantly if you dont know what you are doing. as it is pvp class balancing hasnt happened yet (Duh no arena's!)
- Lastly, try not to run around like chuck norris - it begs a crit hit on the face xD -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »You as a DK have the option to be immune to the spell killing you... this is how they implemented balance. They did not think people would be too dumb to use it, i`m sure the next ESO will come with a "oh look people are attacking you with magic, how about you use the magic reflect spell?" warning...
As for being on the horse... its like complaining you could not see your enemy and asking for a nerf because you had your eyes closed.
If your problem is the horse knock down you already have the solution... don`t use the horse. They have a teleport system in place, you are not alone on the map and so on...
You just got killed by better players, no shame in that, as the tool tip says, spend a few skill points or level up and come back later!)
Nope i'm asking for a nerf on the crystal fragments spell. And you can't really say they are better players when this game has major balancing issues. Were you here when people were spamming vampire ultimate?
I dont get why you and loads of other people are complaining about me being on a horse. I know i was on a horse, i know i got killed in 3 seconds and i know there was nothing i can do because i was stunned after being knocked off. I really have no issue with that. its the abillity that i have the issue with -
kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I'm really considering rolling a sorc, they seem to be the best class to play in PVP, particularly when stealthed. You can kill a V12 DK sword & board heavy armor tank, who is riding their horse ( me) in 3 seconds flat.
I got knocked off my horse, was flat on the ground, then I got knocked down again. I ALMOST stood up when I was being attacked, but 100% of my health I was pretty much stunned. I know the sorc was stealthed and I was on my horse, which means the sorc had the advantage in this "fight".
I don't see why anyone in their right mind would roll a stamina build (which I did). Not that it made much difference when I was being attacked, but if I'm doing the attacking it's going to take longer to kill someone than a sorc.
And people who say sorcerers are being nerfed and are useless and who whine and moan about their precious bolt escape being nerfed. Learn to play.
As you can see this guy must have proc'd crystal fragments, in the end he got a lucky 5% chance insta kill on me. Unfortunately you can't proc any stamina ability and you can't insta kill with any stamina ability.
here are my stats, you can laugh at them if you like
Not only this but they do it from range, compile this with light armor and magicka being king and the recent stealth nerfs and you compound the problem even further.
Devs obviously favor magicka/sorcerer builds over all other classes.
P.S. I just rolled a sorc it's the best workaround for this mess.Edited by kelly.medleyb14_ESO on November 19, 2014 11:21AM
