I'm really considering rolling a sorc, they seem to be the best class to play in PVP, particularly when stealthed. You can kill a V12 DK sword & board heavy armor tank, who is riding their horse ( me) in 3 seconds flat.
I got knocked off my horse, was flat on the ground, then I got knocked down again. I ALMOST stood up when I was being attacked, but 100% of my health I was pretty much stunned. I know the sorc was stealthed and I was on my horse, which means the sorc had the advantage in this "fight".
I don't see why anyone in their right mind would roll a stamina build (which I did). Not that it made much difference when I was being attacked, but if I'm doing the attacking it's going to take longer to kill someone than a sorc.
And people who say sorcerers are being nerfed and are useless and who whine and moan about their precious bolt escape being nerfed. Learn to play.
As you can see this guy must have proc'd crystal fragments, in the end he got a lucky 5% chance insta kill on me. Unfortunately you can't proc any stamina ability and you can't insta kill with any stamina ability.
here are my stats, you can laugh at them if you like
This guy again? Wow.
He claims it was less than 3 seconds but look and see there are 3 fragments in a row. Even if the first one procced on an earlier cast it would still leave two that would be 3 seconds of induction (little alone attack duration or travel time).
So again...this guy's 3 second claim is another lie. May I suggest L2p? And stop spamming the forums every time you die. We get it, you're bad at pvp.
PS the death recap does not equal his hp. So again, we're not seeing the full fight.
And that's because crystal fragments procced itself. Rofl you need to learn the skills before you start posting.
There you have it folks. This is the skill it requires to post your death recaps and claim you died in under 3 seconds.
I'm really considering rolling a sorc, they seem to be the best class to play in PVP, particularly when stealthed. You can kill a V12 DK sword & board heavy armor tank, who is riding their horse ( me) in 3 seconds flat.
I got knocked off my horse, was flat on the ground, then I got knocked down again. I ALMOST stood up when I was being attacked, but 100% of my health I was pretty much stunned. I know the sorc was stealthed and I was on my horse, which means the sorc had the advantage in this "fight".
I don't see why anyone in their right mind would roll a stamina build (which I did). Not that it made much difference when I was being attacked, but if I'm doing the attacking it's going to take longer to kill someone than a sorc.
And people who say sorcerers are being nerfed and are useless and who whine and moan about their precious bolt escape being nerfed. Learn to play.
As you can see this guy must have proc'd crystal fragments, in the end he got a lucky 5% chance insta kill on me. Unfortunately you can't proc any stamina ability and you can't insta kill with any stamina ability.
here are my stats, you can laugh at them if you like
timidobserver wrote: »Mitigation mechanics definitely aren't in line with damage mechanics. By default anyone with capped armor and spell resist should never be killed in 3 seconds by one person.
And he wasn't. He just claims he was. But the math does not add up when you look at inductions and attack duration.
If you get caught mounted, any geared-up V12 built for damage will kill you. Class doesn't matter. When you're in a contested area, and you're not in a group, dismount and sneak.
Alternately, you can whine in the forums, but the dismounting thing actually works.
timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Mitigation mechanics definitely aren't in line with damage mechanics. By default anyone with capped armor and spell resist should never be killed in 3 seconds by one person.
Hey I know you!
Hey Mab! I didn't know you were playing ESO.
If you get caught mounted, any geared-up V12 built for damage will kill you. Class doesn't matter. When you're in a contested area, and you're not in a group, dismount and sneak.
Alternately, you can whine in the forums, but the dismounting thing actually works.
I wasn't in a contested area. But I'm not going to sneak everywhere for the sake of "being aware of my surroundings". You can't see people in sneak
timidobserver wrote: »Mitigation mechanics definitely aren't in line with damage mechanics. By default anyone with capped armor and spell resist should never be killed in 3 seconds by one person.
And he wasn't. He just claims he was. But the math does not add up when you look at inductions and attack duration.
timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Mitigation mechanics definitely aren't in line with damage mechanics. By default anyone with capped armor and spell resist should never be killed in 3 seconds by one person.
Hey I know you!
Hey Mab! I didn't know you were playing ESO.
Yessir. Been playing since beta last year whilst we were also smashing faces in GW2.
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timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Mitigation mechanics definitely aren't in line with damage mechanics. By default anyone with capped armor and spell resist should never be killed in 3 seconds by one person.
And he wasn't. He just claims he was. But the math does not add up when you look at inductions and attack duration.
Whether it was 3 seconds or 6 seconds, you can still go down pretty fast in ESO even if you go full out defensive. Basically, in this game you get more bang for you buck by going full out damage as opposed to tank(unless you are a DK.)timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Mitigation mechanics definitely aren't in line with damage mechanics. By default anyone with capped armor and spell resist should never be killed in 3 seconds by one person.
Hey I know you!
Hey Mab! I didn't know you were playing ESO.
Yessir. Been playing since beta last year whilst we were also smashing faces in GW2.
Yeh, I haven't logged into GW2 since ESO launched. I like PVP better in ESO, and I can actually stomach the PVE which wasn't the case with GW2.
See the math, he took 3158 damage in his recap. He only has 2500 hp. So where did the extra 658 hp come from?
A pot? He had time to pot.
A self heal? He had time to self heal.
HP regen? At 47, he had 28 seconds to regenerate.
Regardless of how you look at it, he obviously had time to react and his 3 second claim is blatantly false. Any DK (especially one who claims to be a tank) can come back from an ambush if he has time to use green dragon blood.
timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Mitigation mechanics definitely aren't in line with damage mechanics. By default anyone with capped armor and spell resist should never be killed in 3 seconds by one person.
And he wasn't. He just claims he was. But the math does not add up when you look at inductions and attack duration.
Whether it was 3 seconds or 6 seconds, you can still go down pretty fast in ESO even if you go full out defensive. Basically, in this game you get more bang for you buck by going full out damage as opposed to tank(unless you are a DK.)timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Mitigation mechanics definitely aren't in line with damage mechanics. By default anyone with capped armor and spell resist should never be killed in 3 seconds by one person.
Hey I know you!
Hey Mab! I didn't know you were playing ESO.
Yessir. Been playing since beta last year whilst we were also smashing faces in GW2.
Yeh, I haven't logged into GW2 since ESO launched. I like PVP better in ESO, and I can actually stomach the PVE which wasn't the case with GW2.
I agree anyone can go down in 6 seconds with no block or reactive skills up. Just refuting his claim of 3 seconds. His tank build bought him more time, even if it was 2-3 seconds. But being a tank build shouldn't buy you too much time if you are just standing there and taking it in the face.
Heavy armor gives a little more miss but is better for the cost reductions in block and higher hp regeneration, neither of which are applicable when on your horse. He's crying foul because he thinks a tank should be a tank by virtue of their build regardless of any use of skill/reactives. Would be like me crying that my dps build did not kill another player with only light attacks.
See the math, he took 3158 damage in his recap. He only has 2500 hp. So where did the extra 658 hp come from?
A pot? He had time to pot.
A self heal? He had time to self heal.
HP regen? At 47, he had 28 seconds to regenerate.
Regardless of how you look at it, he obviously had time to react and his 3 second claim is blatantly false. Any DK (especially one who claims to be a tank) can come back from an ambush if he has time to use green dragon blood.
Two crystal fragment inductions equals 2.6 seconds. That leave .4 seconds for attack duration. So he got off 4 skills at under .1 seconds each? Who are you trying to fool?
timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Mitigation mechanics definitely aren't in line with damage mechanics. By default anyone with capped armor and spell resist should never be killed in 3 seconds by one person.
And he wasn't. He just claims he was. But the math does not add up when you look at inductions and attack duration.
Whether it was 3 seconds or 6 seconds, you can still go down pretty fast in ESO even if you go full out defensive. Basically, in this game you get more bang for you buck by going full out damage as opposed to tank(unless you are a DK.)timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Mitigation mechanics definitely aren't in line with damage mechanics. By default anyone with capped armor and spell resist should never be killed in 3 seconds by one person.
Hey I know you!
Hey Mab! I didn't know you were playing ESO.
Yessir. Been playing since beta last year whilst we were also smashing faces in GW2.
Yeh, I haven't logged into GW2 since ESO launched. I like PVP better in ESO, and I can actually stomach the PVE which wasn't the case with GW2.
I agree anyone can go down in 6 seconds with no block or reactive skills up. Just refuting his claim of 3 seconds. His tank build bought him more time, even if it was 2-3 seconds. But being a tank build shouldn't buy you too much time if you are just standing there and taking it in the face.
Heavy armor gives a little more miss but is better for the cost reductions in block and higher hp regeneration, neither of which are applicable when on your horse. He's crying foul because he thinks a tank should be a tank by virtue of their build regardless of any use of skill/reactives. Would be like me crying that my dps build did not kill another player with only light attacks.
See the math, he took 3158 damage in his recap. He only has 2500 hp. So where did the extra 658 hp come from?
A pot? He had time to pot.
A self heal? He had time to self heal.
HP regen? At 47, he had 28 seconds to regenerate.
Regardless of how you look at it, he obviously had time to react and his 3 second claim is blatantly false. Any DK (especially one who claims to be a tank) can come back from an ambush if he has time to use green dragon blood.
Eh, what you are saying is a bit over complicated for what I am saying. Obviously, no build should allow anyone to stand their invincible, but you get more out of dps than defense in this game.
If you go full out dps you can utterly decimate someone in a very short amount of time. I run with nearly 50% crit. They should be smart enough to interrupt me, but if they don't, I can kill many players with a single Soul Assault.
On the other hand, if you go full tank, then we are reduced to semantics and exact time and refuting 3 second because it was really more like 5 or 6 seconds.
alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »I don`t use that skill as i go with a group so me escaping does nothing for them.
Nice to see you posting in every thread i made right now being rude, i take it you dislike that i pointed out you are a troll? Good.
Hopefully they will stop you from making a new thread every time you die during weekends....
learn2quote
and of course you'd go in a group. too scared to do anything solo most likely.
now leave the thread, troll. go back in your cave.
How about you learn to block so you survive more? Or use your interrupt? Or use Dodge to dodge the slow ass projectile from Crystal Shards?
All you did was show people you are standing there like a statue while getting killed... good job!
I agree with you.
I am just caught up in the 3 seconds semantics with the op (not you) because his claim is only sorcs can do that, and we can't. But any class Can do 6 seconds.
Two crystal fragment inductions equals 2.6 seconds. That leave .4 seconds for attack duration. So he got off 4 skills at under .1 seconds each? Who are you trying to fool?
Crystal fragments 1.3 or instant
Crystal fragments 1.3 or instant
Crystal fragments 1.3 or instant
Could be any way round. The guy might have an instant crystal fragments proc to begin with, cast crystal fragments, then proc it again. But lets assume he didnt' have the proc to begin with
1.3
Instant Proc
1.3
Light attack
Insta kill from light attack
With no lag you that could probably be about 3 seconds, but definitely under 3.5 seconds.
See the math, he took 3158 damage in his recap. He only has 2500 hp. So where did the extra 658 hp come from?
A pot? He had time to pot.
A self heal? He had time to self heal.
HP regen? At 47, he had 28 seconds to regenerate.
Regardless of how you look at it, he obviously had time to react and his 3 second claim is blatantly false. Any DK (especially one who claims to be a tank) can come back from an ambush if he has time to use green dragon blood.
You do not know how death recap works.
The disintegration, the big 1212 damage was overkill
The death recap shows how much damage was hit on me, NOT how much hp was taken away from me.
Disintegrate had nothing to do with you dying. Did it help? Yep. Because that basic attack happened and it proc'd. Unlucky you.
But he could have done 10 other abilities that would have taken you out since you only had around 400hp left.
Also, I dont think you understand what the death recap does either.
FYI, and it was pointed out before... Crystal Shard takes 1.3 seconds to cast. You died in 9 seconds minimum.
Again, I would love to see a video of this fight.
Disintegrate had nothing to do with you dying. Did it help? Yep. Because that basic attack happened and it proc'd. Unlucky you.
But he could have done 10 other abilities that would have taken you out since you only had around 400hp left.
Also, I dont think you understand what the death recap does either.
FYI, and it was pointed out before... Crystal Shard takes 1.3 seconds to cast. You died in 9 seconds minimum.
Again, I would love to see a video of this fight.
Where on earth did you get 9 seconds from? I've already shown the math in this thread. And you're right I would have had about 400hp left if he didnt get the lucky disintegrate on me, that would have given me enough time to use green dragon blood.
Hey dude, dont believe what I say,, but believe your own eyes..
I am spamming crystal shards and you see the last one launching at 8 seconds.
Then another 1-2 seconds for the light attack to hit. Just ignore the time after the last crystal shard launched.. I had to interrupt my stun so I could finish the fight :P
Also, notice my magicka bar... After 4 shards I am tapped. If you dodged/blocked the attacks, you would have made that sorcerer your $*!@#.
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I'm really considering rolling a sorc, they seem to be the best class to play in PVP, particularly when stealthed. You can kill a V12 DK sword & board heavy armor tank, who is riding their horse ( me) in 3 seconds flat.
I got knocked off my horse, was flat on the ground, then I got knocked down again. I ALMOST stood up when I was being attacked, but 100% of my health I was pretty much stunned. I know the sorc was stealthed and I was on my horse, which means the sorc had the advantage in this "fight".
I don't see why anyone in their right mind would roll a stamina build (which I did). Not that it made much difference when I was being attacked, but if I'm doing the attacking it's going to take longer to kill someone than a sorc.
And people who say sorcerers are being nerfed and are useless and who whine and moan about their precious bolt escape being nerfed. Learn to play.
As you can see this guy must have proc'd crystal fragments, in the end he got a lucky 5% chance insta kill on me. Unfortunately you can't proc any stamina ability and you can't insta kill with any stamina ability.
here are my stats, you can laugh at them if you like
countesscrownub18_ESO wrote: »The only advantage to Crystal Fragments is that it does knock you down. If timed correctly I can keep a mob laying on the ground. Unfortunately the mana cost to use is extreme. So 3 casts is all I can get.
Hey dude, dont believe what I say,, but believe your own eyes..
I am spamming crystal shards and you see the last one launching at 8 seconds.
Then another 1-2 seconds for the light attack to hit. Just ignore the time after the last crystal shard launched.. I had to interrupt my stun so I could finish the fight :P
Also, notice my magicka bar... After 4 shards I am tapped. If you dodged/blocked the attacks, you would have made that sorcerer your $*!@#.
What's your character level?
Xharacter stats?
Also why are you showing it vs a mob?
Can't you show it against another player?
Anyway, put the video speed to 0.25
And the time would only starts when the opponent is actually hit. Watching the video, just before the 3s mark you hit the mob, 6s mark you hit the 3rd crystal shard.
That took you about 3 seconds to get the mob to about 15% health. Add that with a (light attack+disintegrate) and also with a proc from the crystal shards, less than 3s.
Thank you for showing visual factual evidence and backing up my point.