Why don't we get ultimate points from lower leveled mobs?

Sonic260

I like to go back to the lower leveled zones to help players complete their dungeons, especially since there always seems to be a shortage of tanks a healers. However, a lot of my play style involves using the ultimate skill for healing or tanking. I can understand that we don't get exp from fighting lower leveled mobs, but why are ultimate points involved in that, too? That makes it harder for people who want to experiment with their ultimate skills if they're late on respecing.

AlexDougherty

Ultimate points are partially based on the mechanism for earning experience, since underleveled mobs don't give you experience, you don't get any points for your ultimate.

Maverick827

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Ultimate points are partially based on the mechanism for earning experience, since underleveled mobs don't give you experience, you don't get any points for your ultimate.

I think he means why conceptually. What would be exploitable if we did get ultimate points from gray enemies?

AlexDougherty

Maverick827 wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Ultimate points are partially based on the mechanism for earning experience, since underleveled mobs don't give you experience, you don't get any points for your ultimate.

I think he means why conceptually. What would be exploitable if we did get ultimate points from gray enemies?

Oh.

I don't know, it isn't really exploitable, unless you get people hunting bosses, and using trash mobs to restore their ultimates before they try the next boss.

Heishi

I think Alex pretty much hit it. Grey mobs are meant to be unapealing so people move on. The mechanisms seem to be all tied together.

I don't know why they don't have ultimate separated into its own thing but if I had to guess, I'd say it's in part to keep a flood of high level players from powering low level people through. It removes the challenge (if you can call it that).

Also I suspect this keeps say a lv45 per from dragging a lv10 person through a lv20 dungeon for xp.

My personal opinion is they should have went with a scaling system similar to Guild Wars 2 where you're level is artificially gimped to match the area so it is always somewhat challenging and high levels can play with low levels. Also it keeps the option of going back and cleaning up missed quest and such a more rewarding experience.

Tavore1138

We do get ultimate points from low level mobs anyway, I was down in a 30 something level area just helping out on a random dolmen while passing on a ore run and got my ultimate filled up during the fight. Used it on the general...

Lukee

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

We do get ultimate points from low level mobs anyway, I was down in a 30 something level area just helping out on a random dolmen while passing on a ore run and got my ultimate filled up during the fight. Used it on the general...

You still get ultimate points for killing undead/daedric enemies if you put skill points in the Fighters Guild passive "Banish the Wicked", that's probably how you got your ultimate.

badmojo

Heishi wrote: »

Also I suspect this keeps say a lv45 per from dragging a lv10 person through a lv20 dungeon for xp.

Removing the ultimate gain doesn't stop that from happening tho, it just makes it less enjoyable for the level 45.

Sonic260

Heishi wrote: »

I don't know why they don't have ultimate separated into its own thing but if I had to guess, I'd say it's in part to keep a flood of high level players from powering low level people through. It removes the challenge (if you can call it that).

Also I suspect this keeps say a lv45 per from dragging a lv10 person through a lv20 dungeon for xp.

There are several people who are more interested in leveling as quickly as possible than moving through the game slowly (not me, just keeping it as a possibility).

This part doesn't really make sense. People get credit for kills within a party anyway. What's stopping someone from bringing a lower level into later zones for power leveling anyway, regardless if they have an ultimate skill? By the time I revisit an earlier area, most mobs can be killed very quickly with an attacking skill, speeding up any collection quests for lower leveled players. Removing ultimate gain for the sake of it doesn't fix anything here.

If they didn't want higher level players to make lower leveled dungeons easier for the players involved, wouldn't it have been easier to simply add a feature that blocks higher levels from entering the dungeon after they've completed it, like how they remove them from the party search feature?

KanedaSyndrome

There should be both loot and ultimate generation for low level mobs. It's stupid that there isn't. It makes no sense, and often the lack of ultimate generation leads to lower level mobs being harder than mobs your own level, which is a design flaw.

VileIntent

Nightblades can generate ultimate using drain power / power extraction due to the Transfer passive as well. healing people with resto hots and such will as well. strife can work too.

dharbert

That's one of the benefits of being a Vamp. We can gain ultimate by draining any mob, no matter the level. You can also gain ultimate against undead and Daedric enemies if you are using Fighters Guild passives.

Nebthet78

dharbert wrote: »

That's one of the benefits of being a Vamp. We can gain ultimate by draining any mob, no matter the level. You can also gain ultimate against undead and Daedric enemies if you are using Fighters Guild passives.

You can gain ultimate that way, but from experience, when you do it on much lower enemies, it is very, very, very slow to get your Ultimate up.

dharbert

Nebthet78 wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

That's one of the benefits of being a Vamp. We can gain ultimate by draining any mob, no matter the level. You can also gain ultimate against undead and Daedric enemies if you are using Fighters Guild passives.

You can gain ultimate that way, but from experience, when you do it on much lower enemies, it is very, very, very slow to get your Ultimate up.

I can stil gain my ultimate every 10 seconds, even against mobs that are 15 levels below me.

Pengeszikra

2h clave morph also give 2 ulti per traget. 1hS bash morph give 4 ulti per hit.

Nebthet78

dharbert wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

That's one of the benefits of being a Vamp. We can gain ultimate by draining any mob, no matter the level. You can also gain ultimate against undead and Daedric enemies if you are using Fighters Guild passives.

You can gain ultimate that way, but from experience, when you do it on much lower enemies, it is very, very, very slow to get your Ultimate up.

I can stil gain my ultimate every 10 seconds, even against mobs that are 15 levels below me.

I tried that with my vampire sorcerer with the bats ultimate. The enemies were about 20 levels below and it took forever to get the Ultimate back up to where I could use it again.

dharbert

Nebthet78 wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

That's one of the benefits of being a Vamp. We can gain ultimate by draining any mob, no matter the level. You can also gain ultimate against undead and Daedric enemies if you are using Fighters Guild passives.

You can gain ultimate that way, but from experience, when you do it on much lower enemies, it is very, very, very slow to get your Ultimate up.

I can stil gain my ultimate every 10 seconds, even against mobs that are 15 levels below me.

I tried that with my vampire sorcerer with the bats ultimate. The enemies were about 20 levels below and it took forever to get the Ultimate back up to where I could use it again.

Custom armor set + specific skill set against undead/Daedric mobs. The time to gain ultimate against other mob types is a bit longer, but only a few seconds more.

I've been meaning to post my setup along with several others that I have created. I will do that as soon as I get a chance to.