DK/Sorcs prefered....

Lkory

You elitists pugs need to stop. It will just end badly for you when NB and Temps get buffed, or you get nerfed into oblivion.

What will you do then, cry and leave the game. Its time to learn how other classes work for trials and take advantage of it and not just a templar healer per raid for the heals.

Before its too late! DK and Sorcs will be the ones crying.

Voodoo

Agreed.... its obvious there is still going to be a heck of a lot of class skill changes in the wind to come yet.... but I knew Templar heals would be in demand at endgame ....no way any class with a resto staff could heal a raid competently...and if they can its not a raid.

Kililin

It will not change, could be that other classes will get shut out but this behavior will not stop.
Also the same people doing it now, probably have other chars that will be fotm later already lined up. Or they will stop playing like you said, but you provided no argument why they should change now?

YOU, however, can change it, just be a raid/trials leader, form groups without the elitism. Invite who you want, use all classes. It is up to you, you have the same tools the elitists have.
Is there a reason why you dont do it?

Lkory

Kililin wrote: »

It will not change, could be that other classes will get shut out but this behavior will not stop.
Also the same people doing it now, probably have other chars that will be fotm later already lined up. Or they will stop playing like you said, but you provided no argument why they should change now?

YOU, however, can change it, just be a raid/trials leader, form groups without the elitism. Invite who you want, use all classes. It is up to you, you have the same tools the elitists have.
Is there a reason why you dont do it?

Doing it already, my guild runs nice trials without trying to make the leaderboards (which is a bad idea/implementation and design), just clearing it. Like old raids, the entertainment should come from clearing it.

Im just pointing out that this attitude will probably just kill the community and the game sooner than it should.

Laura

we get through trials with our templars and nightblades just fine.

We don't top the leader board but its fun - bring the player not the class.

Hard for me to say "F You amazing player who rolled the wrong class" they will be fixed eventually I'm sure

Lkory

Laura wrote: »

we get through trials with our templars and nightblades just fine.

We don't top the leader board but its fun - bring the player not the class.

Hard for me to say "F You amazing player who rolled the wrong class" they will be fixed eventually I'm sure

Look at the /zone chat during primetime.... you will notice the problem.

schroed360

Even if it sound that this topic is not in my concern right now (lvl 44 DK) I just want to say that I agree with the fact that it is sad when some class are left behind . But sadly lazy "elitist " will always be there.So in order to counter this I suggest a thread for poeple who actually WOULD accept to play with NB templar And eventually even DK and sorc with no destro/resto staff build . That could be this thread. So I will (in 6 lvl + 10 Vrank...not for tonorow...).Oh and on EU server .Hope NB and templar get boost and that by the time i reach V 10 I won t be the unwanted one.

Kililin

Lkory wrote: »

Kililin wrote: »

It will not change, could be that other classes will get shut out but this behavior will not stop.
Also the same people doing it now, probably have other chars that will be fotm later already lined up. Or they will stop playing like you said, but you provided no argument why they should change now?

YOU, however, can change it, just be a raid/trials leader, form groups without the elitism. Invite who you want, use all classes. It is up to you, you have the same tools the elitists have.
Is there a reason why you dont do it?

Doing it already, my guild runs nice trials without trying to make the leaderboards (which is a bad idea/implementation and design), just clearing it. Like old raids, the entertainment should come from clearing it.

Im just pointing out that this attitude will probably just kill the community and the game sooner than it should.

Thats great and it is the way to change it.
Still you are doing guild intern runs, this will not change PUG's excluding players based on class.

I agree with Leaderboards and timed Raids/Dungeons being bad design, still it is the way its intended and designed, you can not ridicule players trying to beat the challenge that is presented to them. Classes are unbalanced and the stopwatch challenge favors certain classes and builds, it is no wonder some players try to build raids according to the requirements, or is it?

Lkory

Kililin wrote: »

Lkory wrote: »

Kililin wrote: »

It will not change, could be that other classes will get shut out but this behavior will not stop.
Also the same people doing it now, probably have other chars that will be fotm later already lined up. Or they will stop playing like you said, but you provided no argument why they should change now?

YOU, however, can change it, just be a raid/trials leader, form groups without the elitism. Invite who you want, use all classes. It is up to you, you have the same tools the elitists have.
Is there a reason why you dont do it?

Doing it already, my guild runs nice trials without trying to make the leaderboards (which is a bad idea/implementation and design), just clearing it. Like old raids, the entertainment should come from clearing it.

Im just pointing out that this attitude will probably just kill the community and the game sooner than it should.

Classes are unbalanced and the stopwatch challenge favors certain classes and builds, it is no wonder some players try to build raids according to the requirements, or is it?

So this is intended... i guess. All i am trying to say is: "The more Dks and sorcs take advantages of it, the faster and harder the nerf hammer will strike."

Enjoy?

EDIT: and favors is a big word when it favors 2/4 classes, with one being unable to get pug groups and the other reduced to 1 or 2 healer per group. When 10/12 players are 2/4 classes it is probably not intended nor desired. Keep taking advantage of it. The fastest way to make everyone happy is to buff the other 2 classes for a few weeks.

Slantasiam

Lkory wrote: »

You elitists pugs need to stop. It will just end badly for you when NB and Temps get buffed, or you get nerfed into oblivion.

What will you do then, cry and leave the game. Its time to learn how other classes work for trials and take advantage of it and not just a templar healer per raid for the heals.

Before its too late! DK and Sorcs will be the ones crying.

are you implying that exactly 25% will want to play each class? the world don't work that way get over it....

Lkory

Slantasiam wrote: »

Lkory wrote: »

You elitists pugs need to stop. It will just end badly for you when NB and Temps get buffed, or you get nerfed into oblivion.

What will you do then, cry and leave the game. Its time to learn how other classes work for trials and take advantage of it and not just a templar healer per raid for the heals.

Before its too late! DK and Sorcs will be the ones crying.

are you implying that exactly 25% will want to play each class? the world don't work that way get over it....

please elaborate?... doesn't matter what % is played when 2/4 classes get excluded from content unless they find a group of friend who doesnt care about leaderboards.

There is a huge problem when a pug actually cares about being on the leaderboards (that has no reward) and excludes player based on it. If it was on clearing the raid, i would not have a problem.

I have raided in EQ2 and other mmos that our first clears required specific classes to get the tank geared up, but thats another mechanic that is probably not present in ESO.

Kililin

Lkory wrote: »

Kililin wrote: »

Lkory wrote: »

Kililin wrote: »

It will not change, could be that other classes will get shut out but this behavior will not stop.
Also the same people doing it now, probably have other chars that will be fotm later already lined up. Or they will stop playing like you said, but you provided no argument why they should change now?

YOU, however, can change it, just be a raid/trials leader, form groups without the elitism. Invite who you want, use all classes. It is up to you, you have the same tools the elitists have.
Is there a reason why you dont do it?

Doing it already, my guild runs nice trials without trying to make the leaderboards (which is a bad idea/implementation and design), just clearing it. Like old raids, the entertainment should come from clearing it.

Im just pointing out that this attitude will probably just kill the community and the game sooner than it should.

Classes are unbalanced and the stopwatch challenge favors certain classes and builds, it is no wonder some players try to build raids according to the requirements, or is it?

So this is intended... i guess. All i am trying to say is: "The more Dks and sorcs take advantages of it, the faster and harder the nerf hammer will strike."

Enjoy?

EDIT: and favors is a big word when it favors 2/4 classes, with one being unable to get pug groups and the other reduced to 1 or 2 healer per group. When 10/12 players are 2/4 classes it is probably not intended nor desired. Keep taking advantage of it. The fastest way to make everyone happy is to buff the other 2 classes for a few weeks.

As i said before, there will be another best class.
Some PUG-Leaders try to imitate top level players, they see the raid composition of some 1x minutes run, and imitate it.
If you nerf sorcs, and dks (already happening) these top guilds will have another composition, but most likely will stack the next best DPS build, whatever it is.
Lets assume, for the giggles, it is Templar and DK is nerfed to Rank3.
You would have the same Raid Leaders looking for 7 Templar, 4 Sorc and 1 DK for the buffs.
This would not be any better, and it would still ignore NB's that can put respectable raid dps even now...
Also for the best guilds, they have to do it, there is no other way to improve very good times. You have to Edge out every second by stacking the classes that have like 3.4 DPS more than the next one.

I don't think this Leaderboard *** is healthy for the game.
I do understand that it was a try to give some short Raid more longevity.

Axer

How?

I play a templar and do that all the time. I literally won't group with NBs and Templars if I want a DPS.

I'll be quite content when they buff my templar.

Call it what you want. I want to complete the craglorn dungeons in 15min instead of 2 hours. Thats just how I enjoy the game. Elitist? I disagree. I just call it faster.

Kililin

Axer wrote: »

How?

I play a templar and do that all the time. I literally won't group with NBs and Templars if I want a DPS.

I'll be quite content when they buff my templar.

Call it what you want. I want to complete the craglorn dungeons in 15min instead of 2 hours. Thats just how I enjoy the game. Elitist? I disagree. I just call it faster.

faster and highly skilled

Lynnessa

It's my understanding that most groups aren't exclusive like this.

A lot of us don't feel the need to rush through and beat the clock... the majority of us, I hope.

There's more to the game than teh lewtz and achieving some kind of ranking, and I think most of us appreciate that.

Kayvee

Voodoo wrote: »

Agreed.... its obvious there is still going to be a heck of a lot of class skill changes in the wind to come yet.... but I knew Templar heals would be in demand at endgame ....no way any class with a resto staff could heal a raid competently...and if they can its not a raid.

I'm a DK and I'm a damned good healer.