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BadgerRider1
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Please give people the ability to take another......or a thousand others.......into what was once a solo-only quest fight.

I don't care if they get through. I don't care if they get the same "shineys" as me. "Hell....give em a bonus title and top of the line armor/weapons....I still don't care"

Just don't nerf the bosses any more!

I don't mind dieing. I don't mind coming back after leveling. I don't mind having to research my abilities and rotations.

What I do mind is finding that a previously epic boss that I was ecstatic for having killed, is now more like a blind geriatric patient in the AARP wing of the good sisters of the blind.
  • Laura
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    You want to have to think and be challenged in a video game? You mean you don't want things to just fall over when you throw rotting tomatoes at them?

    that is simply asking too much, sir.
  • Rhoric
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    Something needs to be done about this. So you beat the tough fights by yourself. Good for you. But for others it is not so easy. It took me 64 tries to defeat Mannimarco. I gave up on Molag bal after 36 tries and deleted the character. We need the option to group.
  • BadgerRider1
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    Rhoric wrote: »
    Something needs to be done about this. So you beat the tough fights by yourself. Good for you. But for others it is not so easy. It took me 64 tries to defeat Mannimarco. I gave up on Molag bal after 36 tries and deleted the character. We need the option to group.

    I'm all for that. Group away! Just don't nerf my single boss experience.

  • GrimCyclone
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    Rhoric wrote: »
    Something needs to be done about this. So you beat the tough fights by yourself. Good for you. But for others it is not so easy. It took me 64 tries to defeat Mannimarco. I gave up on Molag bal after 36 tries and deleted the character. We need the option to group.

    Really dude? You deleted over that. All you had to do is ask one of us what you were doing wrong. Hell, I beat his ass as a nightblade wtih vampirism.

  • Laura
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    Rhoric wrote: »
    Something needs to be done about this. So you beat the tough fights by yourself. Good for you. But for others it is not so easy. It took me 64 tries to defeat Mannimarco. I gave up on Molag bal after 36 tries and deleted the character. We need the option to group.

    people agreed and insightfuled this? I think the gaming community may have changed too much for me....

    this... makes me very very sad...


    I'm all for more grouping opportunities and options, don't get me wrong. but deleting a character? instead of rethinking your approach and... i just don't know.
    Edited by Laura on June 1, 2014 3:47AM
  • aleister
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    Most people can hanlde dying a couple of times and having to try different strategies on their own, but some of the EOS boss fights pretty much require coming to the forums or other internet resources the first time you encounter them. I'm not sure this is something the average player is prepared for.
  • Melian
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    How about neither, and how about the people who can't hack it feel appropriately ashamed and keep quiet instead of posting on the forums as though their incompetence is universal?
  • Elgarr
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    Rhoric wrote: »
    Something needs to be done about this. So you beat the tough fights by yourself. Good for you. But for others it is not so easy. It took me 64 tries to defeat Mannimarco. I gave up on Molag bal after 36 tries and deleted the character. We need the option to group.

    So you have 8 character slots, and you delete a character that couldn't kill molag Bal instead of creating a new one?
    Lol I call BS.
    Unless you had filled all the other spaces already with higher toons (if you had of, you wouldn't be the sort of person who needed to delete a toon, as you would would have a better understanding of the game)
    Sorry lets not dramatise this, you failed to kill him, where every class can and all you had to do was come to those same forums you are now exaggerating on and read how others were doing it.
    Oh and giving up after 36 tries after you had already taken 64 attempts to kill manni marco ( more exaggerating?) really are people that special they keep banging their head against a wall hoping the nail will go in, before realising it hurts and you need to use a hammer.
    The end!


    Edited by Elgarr on June 1, 2014 4:28AM
  • Catflinger
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    Laura wrote: »
    Rhoric wrote: »
    Something needs to be done about this. So you beat the tough fights by yourself. Good for you. But for others it is not so easy. It took me 64 tries to defeat Mannimarco. I gave up on Molag bal after 36 tries and deleted the character. We need the option to group.

    people agreed and insightfuled this? I think the gaming community may have changed too much for me....

    this... makes me very very sad...


    I'm all for more grouping opportunities and options, don't get me wrong. but deleting a character? instead of rethinking your approach and... i just don't know.

    I'm with ya. I'm no pro, not in the least, in fact I am disabled and I have a lot of trouble with certain things. But you know, you have to move out of the way of the telegraphed damage and stuff. That's the only thing I can think of that that some people aren't doing that it takes them this much time to figure certain fights out.
  • Rhoric
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    Ok I am going to say this once and once only. If you had bother to read other topics on the molag bal fights and mannimarco fights. You would have seen my posts in there. I read everything on the fights and watched videos and NOTHING I did worked. So next time you slam someone make sure you do your homework first. Yes it took me 64 tries on Mannimarco and yes I tried 36 times with molag bal before I gave up and deleted my character.

    No I don't have 8 slots full. I have 3 characters and that was after recreating my deleted character. I have 1 character in each faction. My guildies even know what happened. I am NOT some newbie to MMO gaming. I have been playing MMOs for the past 14 years.
  • Lodestar
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    BadgerRider1 wrote: »
    What I do mind is finding that a previously epic boss that I was ecstatic for having killed, is now more like a blind geriatric patient in the AARP wing of the good sisters of the blind.

    Oh you mean kind of like the quest companions? Well, surely not as bad as them?
  • Dagus
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    BadgerRider1 wrote: »
    like a blind geriatric patient in the AARP wing of the good sisters of the blind.

    oh you got to spend time with lisa.
    her and I havn't seen eachother in years
    (get it? huh? huh? :smiley: )
    RAWR!!!
  • oxylus
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    I don't know if grouping is the answer in these situations coming from an immersion standpoint. What I would suggest is having a difficulty mode that applies only to solo quest instances and tie an achievement/title to completing the game on normal/hard etc. That way you can at least see the whole game if you can't figure out how to play but the general public can still experience the intended difficulty.
  • Elirienne
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    No. Please don't. Zenimax have already listened to mass mmo crying, and introduced forced grouping for craglorn. Just no. Let people play on their own if they want to. And please do not ruin the story by including others in the solo quests. They are not that difficult. Make some effort people, they really are not that difficult ... I am a squishy button spammer noob, and still manage fine.
  • Lodestar
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    oxylus wrote: »
    I don't know if grouping is the answer in these situations coming from an immersion standpoint. What I would suggest is having a difficulty mode that applies only to solo quest instances and tie an achievement/title to completing the game on normal/hard etc. That way you can at least see the whole game if you can't figure out how to play but the general public can still experience the intended difficulty.

    I would prefer that option, but as things are now, with work being done left and right on fixes and new content. This would be the quicker more immediate choice I would think.
  • nerevarine1138
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    Rhoric wrote: »
    Ok I am going to say this once and once only. If you had bother to read other topics on the molag bal fights and mannimarco fights. You would have seen my posts in there. I read everything on the fights and watched videos and NOTHING I did worked. So next time you slam someone make sure you do your homework first. Yes it took me 64 tries on Mannimarco and yes I tried 36 times with molag bal before I gave up and deleted my character.

    No I don't have 8 slots full. I have 3 characters and that was after recreating my deleted character. I have 1 character in each faction. My guildies even know what happened. I am NOT some newbie to MMO gaming. I have been playing MMOs for the past 14 years.

    Posts like this make me really sad.

    When faced with a challenge, you decided that everyone else online was wrong and deleted your character. I guarantee that if you died to Molag Bal the way you did (I read your previous posts), it was because you stood in avoidable damage and/or didn't block. I was able to beat him in 2 tries with a vampire Nightblade. And in case you don't appreciate how much harder that is than a non-vamp character, imagine that getting hit by any of the 5 Titan firewalls that come at once will one-shot you.

    I find it refreshing to have an MMO with a bit of challenge in it. One where the challenge is actually based on my skill and not on my group members' ability to move out of stupid damage.
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  • Yakidafi
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    Rhoric wrote: »
    Something needs to be done about this. So you beat the tough fights by yourself. Good for you. But for others it is not so easy. It took me 64 tries to defeat Mannimarco. I gave up on Molag bal after 36 tries and deleted the character. We need the option to group.

    I am honest now, I did not know I could die when fighting my way to molag bal and when fighting him. Thought the power I got made me immortal, I have seen people write asking how to beat him but thought they were trolling.

    I ran around doing heavy attacks and healing with strife(funnel health) as a nb.

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  • Melian
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    oxylus wrote: »
    I don't know if grouping is the answer in these situations coming from an immersion standpoint. What I would suggest is having a difficulty mode that applies only to solo quest instances and tie an achievement/title to completing the game on normal/hard etc. That way you can at least see the whole game if you can't figure out how to play but the general public can still experience the intended difficulty.

    If that mode means:

    0 experience
    No quest reward
    No achievement (although you get to move past the quest)
    You don't get the title from completing the quest chain

    I could live with that.

  • Rhoric
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    nerevarine1138 wrote: »
    Rhoric wrote: »
    Ok I am going to say this once and once only. If you had bother to read other topics on the molag bal fights and mannimarco fights. You would have seen my posts in there. I read everything on the fights and watched videos and NOTHING I did worked. So next time you slam someone make sure you do your homework first. Yes it took me 64 tries on Mannimarco and yes I tried 36 times with molag bal before I gave up and deleted my character.

    No I don't have 8 slots full. I have 3 characters and that was after recreating my deleted character. I have 1 character in each faction. My guildies even know what happened. I am NOT some newbie to MMO gaming. I have been playing MMOs for the past 14 years.

    Posts like this make me really sad.

    When faced with a challenge, you decided that everyone else online was wrong and deleted your character. I guarantee that if you died to Molag Bal the way you did (I read your previous posts), it was because you stood in avoidable damage and/or didn't block. I was able to beat him in 2 tries with a vampire Nightblade. And in case you don't appreciate how much harder that is than a non-vamp character, imagine that getting hit by any of the 5 Titan firewalls that come at once will one-shot you.

    I find it refreshing to have an MMO with a bit of challenge in it. One where the challenge is actually based on my skill and not on my group members' ability to move out of stupid damage.

    And you would lose on that. I can guarantee that I did NOT stand around and I do to dodge and block. So try again.
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