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Nightblade stealth work as intended... well the class might not
Ive noticed that nightblade shadowcloak now no longuer has gap time in enemy reaction. While this indeed mean the nightblade stealth has somewhat been ''fixed'' the class itself is now more worthless then ever. Nightblade has no tool or skill that can help deal with boss save for stealth stun spam (which itself is a broken mechanic) and even then youl likely run out of mana before the end unless you got siphoning attack active effectively resulting into the class being totally unusable in veteran 5+ unless you run a restoration staff, siphoning attack, shadowcloak/stun spamming. How after this do you expect your players to solo their quest at all. If your excuse is that player shouldn't solo veteran quest then why your questing system is so unfriendly to grouping?
This is a game breaking issue as sorcerer and dragonknight can actually get trough the entirety of veteran content without much effort while nightblade has to work their brain off exploiting glitch or cheating their way the whole time just to crawl in to the other side of the infernal tunnel that is your current system.
Either nightblade and Templar are weak and unbalanced either dragonknight and sorcerer are utterly overpowered. I think that is the first as sorcerer and dk are just manageable in vet without being godlike (although I guess a sorcerer spamming critical surge is somewhat godlike)
Nightblade could be improved in 3 way
1. Grant the class a reliable self healing source:
Strife is not reliable as a main source, Dragonknight heals for a massive amount of health depending on their percentage sorcerer heals like crazy from critical hit and Templar just heal with like half of their ability, Nightblade needs to rely constantly on restoration staff so to speak and have a decent self healing source due to strife lacking potency its just another rapid regeneration with a little damage as a bonus nothing actually potent as to make siphoning the main healing feature of the nightblade class.
2. Our damage is awful
Ill put it bluntly to the table, Nightblade got the worst aoe damage ability set in the whole game and the single target ability are in no way strong enough to fix that. One would expect nightblade to compensate its lack of aoe with quick decisive nuke that obliterate foes one by one with stealth in between but Nightblade do NOT have such nuke even as the ''assassin style'' class, those moves do about the same amount of damage as other class ability would! NB aoe cost insane amounts of magicka and deals next to no damage while the single target ability are at best equal to what other class does wich is highly disturbing.
3. Where is our defence
Nightblade main defensive mechanic is the cloak. As funny as it is while dragonknight got a 20 second armor buff and sorcerer a permanent armor buff and a 8 second damageing aura with heavy armor bonus allowing to reach armor cap naked nightblade has to cope with a 4 second on stealth break armor buff wich become usefull ONLY when the player use shadowcloak or break stealth (once per battle) and work only as a passive trait. By all that is sacred explain me why NB has to cope with taking 3x the normal damage from mob when by itself it doesn't do the dps required to take down the mob as fast as the other spec. If shadowcloak itself provided increased damage at all time like stealth maybe this would be acceptable but know what it does not. Only way to keep that armor buff up is by spamming the cloak in an unintended way wich by itself is wrong. Maybe doubling the uptime to 8 or increasing it by 2 additional second at least would help.
Where the class actualy could be interesting is in the use of physical weaponry as haste and reapers mark could help this kind damage considerably but truth be told all other class save for the Templar got serious physical damage buff from molten weapon or critical surge wich in itself makes nightblade still sub par in this cathegory because lets face it no one gives a ''BLEEP'' about how fast you can swing your mouse click attack in this game as those attacks deals next to no damage.
By killing the stealth gap you've destroyed the last defence the squishy nightblade had in battle. do be smart and give them a dagger or a sword to fight back instead of giving them a pack of death pills so their can suicide faster because right now my class is only wonderful at SKIPPING entire dungeons and HIDING in terror from all mob encounter.
Edited by Kyubi_3002b16_ESO on May 26, 2014 12:55PM This is a game breaking issue as sorcerer and dragonknight can actually get trough the entirety of veteran content without much effort while nightblade has to work their brain off exploiting glitch or cheating their way the whole time just to crawl in to the other side of the infernal tunnel that is your current system.
Either nightblade and Templar are weak and unbalanced either dragonknight and sorcerer are utterly overpowered. I think that is the first as sorcerer and dk are just manageable in vet without being godlike (although I guess a sorcerer spamming critical surge is somewhat godlike)
Nightblade could be improved in 3 way
1. Grant the class a reliable self healing source:
Strife is not reliable as a main source, Dragonknight heals for a massive amount of health depending on their percentage sorcerer heals like crazy from critical hit and Templar just heal with like half of their ability, Nightblade needs to rely constantly on restoration staff so to speak and have a decent self healing source due to strife lacking potency its just another rapid regeneration with a little damage as a bonus nothing actually potent as to make siphoning the main healing feature of the nightblade class.
2. Our damage is awful
Ill put it bluntly to the table, Nightblade got the worst aoe damage ability set in the whole game and the single target ability are in no way strong enough to fix that. One would expect nightblade to compensate its lack of aoe with quick decisive nuke that obliterate foes one by one with stealth in between but Nightblade do NOT have such nuke even as the ''assassin style'' class, those moves do about the same amount of damage as other class ability would! NB aoe cost insane amounts of magicka and deals next to no damage while the single target ability are at best equal to what other class does wich is highly disturbing.
3. Where is our defence
Nightblade main defensive mechanic is the cloak. As funny as it is while dragonknight got a 20 second armor buff and sorcerer a permanent armor buff and a 8 second damageing aura with heavy armor bonus allowing to reach armor cap naked nightblade has to cope with a 4 second on stealth break armor buff wich become usefull ONLY when the player use shadowcloak or break stealth (once per battle) and work only as a passive trait. By all that is sacred explain me why NB has to cope with taking 3x the normal damage from mob when by itself it doesn't do the dps required to take down the mob as fast as the other spec. If shadowcloak itself provided increased damage at all time like stealth maybe this would be acceptable but know what it does not. Only way to keep that armor buff up is by spamming the cloak in an unintended way wich by itself is wrong. Maybe doubling the uptime to 8 or increasing it by 2 additional second at least would help.
Where the class actualy could be interesting is in the use of physical weaponry as haste and reapers mark could help this kind damage considerably but truth be told all other class save for the Templar got serious physical damage buff from molten weapon or critical surge wich in itself makes nightblade still sub par in this cathegory because lets face it no one gives a ''BLEEP'' about how fast you can swing your mouse click attack in this game as those attacks deals next to no damage.
By killing the stealth gap you've destroyed the last defence the squishy nightblade had in battle. do be smart and give them a dagger or a sword to fight back instead of giving them a pack of death pills so their can suicide faster because right now my class is only wonderful at SKIPPING entire dungeons and HIDING in terror from all mob encounter.
One bow to darken the sun
One bow to unite the clans
One bow to conquer the world and in darkness drown it...
- Prophecy of the tyranny of the sun
One bow to unite the clans
One bow to conquer the world and in darkness drown it...
- Prophecy of the tyranny of the sun
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shoeppse✭I agree 100% . I am vr10 now and totally pissed of by the game. Enemy groups counting more than 3 i dont need to try because i know i will be dead after.
Groups of 3 I can handle if i got ultimate ready, if not, its very close, often i die. I dont want to lvl another class this whole stuff again, sry. So nightblade is still bad as *** after last patch, I decided to buy another MMO and am looking for headstarting this friday. Bye!Edited by shoeppse on May 26, 2014 12:50PM0 -
Mephos✭✭✭I saw NB onhitting VET9 trash mobs from stealth.
I saw a NB tank bugging out bosses in vet dungeons by stealthing for about 5 - 10 minutes constantly every 3-4 seconds.
When I sit in TS every evening people complain about NB a lot and I admit the class has some broken skills.
Also additional to that it would be nice to hear how you are specced.
Because heavy armor stamina templar got also almost 0 heals (they can do it about 2-3 times until oom).
Edited by Mephos on May 26, 2014 12:54PM0 -
''I saw NB onhitting VET9 trash mobs from stealth.
I saw a NB tank bugging out bosses in vet dungeons by stealthing for about 5 - 10 minutes constantly every 3-4 seconds.''
Did you read me at all? they FIXED that. That was the class only way of actually getting any veteran content done as now all mob attack the player the moment the stealth break without any gap time between. What made NB somewhat able to survive trought the mess that is its class was that feature alone and now that its gone it ends up having to permastealth / stun every single fight and run away the moment you fight more then 2 target because fighting 3 near full health mob as a NB is the same as a death sentence. Against party with a healer its called ''one shot the healing caster before surprise ends or die trying'' because NB deals such bad damage the mob overheal it all without any effort and the very idea of trying to fight a healer with interrupt when you take so much damage you die within 3 or 4 second the moment stealth break is outright suicide.
Right now running nightblade witheout stealth stun and shadowcloak is total suicide
freedom to build my ''BLEEP'' you should have said the only vet build NB can run is a restoration staff with shadowcloak and stun spam.
And don't even get me talking about the shadow knight. with the nerf to shield slamming the whole build likely lost all its purpose if it ever had one.Edited by Kyubi_3002b16_ESO on May 26, 2014 1:04PMOne bow to darken the sun
One bow to unite the clans
One bow to conquer the world and in darkness drown it...
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shoeppse✭There were times, perhaps it was in vr4 or 5, i onehitted mobs out of stealth. These times are long passed. I am vr10, skillled full middle armor, have 5xmiddle,2xlight equipped, epic daggers, questing in vr9 (al'akir) and am far away from onehitting mobs out of stealth. This class is no fun. Everyone thinking about lvling a nb - don't!0
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I run a restoration staff in light armor with the shadow/siphon skill setting... it only work because I constantly spend my time IN stealth and keep the armor buff up that way due to the magicka regen of the restoration staff. Truth is im not so sure this will keep working post vet 5One bow to darken the sun
One bow to unite the clans
One bow to conquer the world and in darkness drown it...
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czar✭✭✭✭and to think that nb was op during beta
i don't get why they nerfed templars and i really hope they don't nerf sorcs or dk, buff the weak classes instead and everyone's happystam scrub0 -
What did Beta NB had that the other class didn't as far as I know bow was the only thing very good in beta Edited by Kyubi_3002b16_ESO on May 26, 2014 1:36PMOne bow to darken the sun
One bow to unite the clans
One bow to conquer the world and in darkness drown it...
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basically a 1 hit KO? Well we could use increased damage from stealth so to compensate our poor dps right nowOne bow to darken the sun
One bow to unite the clans
One bow to conquer the world and in darkness drown it...
- Prophecy of the tyranny of the sun1