Unsubbed before patch, and as a result of the upgrade we are re-subscribing

KerisDoin

Chrysolis wrote: »

The issue of veteran mobs was brought up in the original post, you even quoted it yourself.

I see him mentioning balance changes, i dont see him mentioning the hp/damage issues with veteran mobs. There were class balance changes incase you didnt notice.

Chrysolis wrote: »

If you feel that potions should be necessary for standard fights that's your prerogative, but it's not intended. My potions are usually saved for veteran dungeons, in which entire stockpiles are used liberally.

Potions drop from mobs, can be bought at npcs and crafted, so im not sure what makes you think it isnt intended to use them, specially since veteran mob pulls are often 3 mobs.

Chrysolis

KerisDoin wrote: »

Chrysolis wrote: »

The issue of veteran mobs was brought up in the original post, you even quoted it yourself.

I see him mentioning balance changes, i dont see him mentioning the hp/damage issues with veteran mobs. There were class balance changes incase you didnt notice.

Chrysolis wrote: »

If you feel that potions should be necessary for standard fights that's your prerogative, but it's not intended. My potions are usually saved for veteran dungeons, in which entire stockpiles are used liberally.

Potions drop from mobs, can be bought at npcs and crafted, so im not sure what makes you think it isnt intended to use them, specially since veteran mob pulls are often 3 mobs.

You know, Keris, you seem like an intelligent person. I don't know that we totally disagree.

The OP's language was a bit vague, and I could see it as being construed to mean either thing - for me, it appeared to be addressing the complaints of veteran level mobs, because the complaints about class nerfs were few and far between by comparison (he seemed to be addressing the large quantity of complaints on the forums). Even the class changes I'd say largely effect the PVE aspect of the game because that is the majority of ESO's content.

I am a max level alchemist and I have quite a bit of potions. All that I mean to say is that pre-patch, I would not be required to use a potion, even for 3-packs of Veteran mobs. They are intended to be used - but, more for public dungeons, world bosses, veteran dungeons, etc. The difficulty increase of standard veteran mobs was not intended.

IronMaiden_burnout

Bots have to update their hacks after a patch , there is already as of today many invisible speed harvesters in bleakrock.
Nothing was done as far as cheat protection, and I am remaining unsubbed untill we have a good one in place.

Silverblade

Just lol. I'm glad your enjoyment of the game has prompted you to resubscribe, but if you think that this new patch has addressed any of the on going issues with bots, hacks and cheaters, you are very wrong. I have already encountered a few of them in game post patch. Give them a few hours to update memory locations and the bots will be back, just as numerous as before. One thing can be said, they work faster than ZOS. And for free.

Reenlister

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »

well, my thread was not intended to start yet another hater thread. It seems that people look for places to moan and groan. I hope a moderator will close my thread and save us yet another clone of the all the whining.

I would agree, we don't need any hate threads.
But the latest patch has truly broken, as in totally trashed the experience.
Freeze/crash and computer lockup, d/t massive memory leak, the VR issue, sudden death of FPS, has essentially rendered ESO useless at this point for a good many people.
Its good to hear your coming back, and nice that your positive about it, it would just be even more lovely to hear from ZOS that they are working on the issues of the stability and myriad of actual game crashing issues just released, though they have now said they are working on the VR issue.

redwoodtreesprite

ROFL, only reason some bots are not back yet is because even the bot puppeteers need to get the game patch disaster downloaded. Always the same after a maintenance. Bot population goes down for a short bit of time and then they all come crawling from the woodwork again...

Thorntongue

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »

Ashtaris wrote: »

Although it's great if ZOS actually did something to fight the bots, I wouldn't raise the banner for this battle just yet. The hackers doing these exploits are a resourceful bunch and don't give up that easily. Let's see what happens after about a week.

I completely understand and agree with what you said, except, I don't expect that ZOS will ever "win the war", I just want to know that they are waging it and hopefully making some progress. Prior to the upgrade there was no real evidence other than "we are working on it" that anything was being done. Now, we can see that they are at least engaged.

Yup... it's going in the right direction... The only "war" neither Zeni, nor any other gaming company for that matter, can ever win is the one against whinners...

I'm not saying some people don't have legit concerns or problems, but you can never satisfy everyone... so there will "always" be people whinning about somethings... The last game that satisfied everyone was "Pong," and even then I'm sure some people tought the brick ball should have been round

Sad but true

So what is whining about people that whine is going to fix or prove? What you constitute as a whine is actually something that bugs someone else. Don't downplay someone's problem because it does not effect you. Also, what is a "whinners," is it the combination of a winner that whines?

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO

Silverblade wrote: »

Just lol. I'm glad your enjoyment of the game has prompted you to resubscribe, but if you think that this new patch has addressed any of the on going issues with bots, hacks and cheaters, you are very wrong.

I believe what I said, or at least meant to say, was that our concern was that we (my wife and I) had seen no evidence of ZOS attempting to control the bot issue and no communications other than nebulous "we are working on it".

The update did in fact stop the bots - at least temporarily, if only for a few hours while their hacks were updated. That is real world evidence that ZOS is in fact working on it. I do not expect them to resolve the bot problem in one update, in fact I don't expect them to ever completely eliminate bots. What I want to know is that they are working on it, it would be nice to get reports occasionally on how successful they are being - ie, how many accounts banned, or whatever - some metric.

I do believe that the people I hear wanting a permanent fix of the bot problem are never going to be happy.

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO

Thorntongue wrote: »

So what is whining about people that whine is going to fix or prove? What you constitute as a whine is actually something that bugs someone else. Don't downplay someone's problem because it does not effect you. Also, what is a "whinners," is it the combination of a winner that whines?

In my case a whine is a comment that is intended to troll or insult and does not provide any positive critique. Calling the devs, or ZOS or anyone that disagrees with me a moron or other equivalent names is immature and whining. I do believe I whined in my OP here, and that was a mistake and I apologize.

Saying there is a problem and providing a description of how to test the problem and duplicate, why you think it is a problem and what you think could be done about it (any or all of those) is a critique and useful information.

GhostRunner521

With this most recent patch making the game unplayable for many of us pretty soon all they will have is bots.

Auric_ESO

It's funny. I read all these words like train wreck, disaster, unplayable yet I get into game and it's great. Sure there are some bugs but disaster? Opinions differ I guess

Nightspectre

Chrysolis wrote: »

Reposting:

So these are Kagouti -



They have just short of 3,900 HP each. These are VR 3 mobs fighting fully passive decked, heavy armor, overcharged sword and board DK.

Sure, potions could be used, or single mobs fought until ultimate came up. But I hardly think that is the point.

I saw the use of ZERO defensive abilities
Where was green Dragon Blood?
Where was Immovable?
Where was circle of Protection?
Where was Talons?

you ran in circles spamming Fire whip and died not even putting the effort in to survive all to validate and argument the mobs are too powerful. Yes they are tougher, no they are not unbeatable. Yes they need a LITTLE toning down. Repost a video where you actually provide evidence you aren't trying to "Rig the Lotto drawing" and im sure you will have a better chance at validating what you are trying to say....like a real effort...

Jade1986

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

You may want to wait another 2 weeks for them to fix everything they broke with the patch.

Agreed, memory leak, VET area issues, and the the dreaded fatal error 11.

GhostRunner521

Auric_ESO wrote: »

It's funny. I read all these words like train wreck, disaster, unplayable yet I get into game and it's great. Sure there are some bugs but disaster? Opinions differ I guess

You are very lucky. I lost all my progress in Coldharbor, most of my achievements are gone. Hate to do anything until they get it fixed because I don't want to lose it all again.

Lord_Draevan

Great Scott! A thread that's not someone complaining that the game isn't perfect and bug-free barely 2 months after launch, or whining that their favorite exploit was patched? Pardon me, I must go check to see if the sky is falling...

Seriously though, it's good to see a thread that's positive.

Chrysolis

The graphics were turned far down, so the particle effects were not showing - but I used all of my abilities. I flame whipped multiple times to exploit the heal and the disorientation on power bash. It was a very short fight. This video was only intended to show the brutality of mobs, not how I can overcome them.

I can beat the same group using a switch on dragon blood/talons and come out of it with almost all of my hp/stam/magicka exhausted. But what bearing does that have? It's ridiculous that people are still trying to burn this observation in spite of the official remark.

I'm not going to debate the point anymore because the official statement indicates that the mobs were unintentionally buffed. I don't need to a validate it beyond that.

Reykice

The bots are not gone, they had to patch and all that... they are back today same as ever. Together with what appears to be unplayable content in Vet area(vet npc buff) and other bugs...

I agree the game is decent for solo leveling but after you are done with quests its just you and the bugs... oh and the bots, don`t forget about the bots.

Nightspectre

Chrysolis wrote: »

The graphics were turned far down, so the particle effects were not showing - but I used all of my abilities. I flame whipped multiple times to exploit the heal and the disorientation on power bash. It was a very short fight. This video was only intended to show the brutality of mobs, not how I can overcome them.

I can beat the same group using a switch on dragon blood/talons and come out of it with almost all of my hp/stam/magicka exhausted. But what bearing does that have? It's ridiculous that people are still trying to burn this observation in spite of the official remark.

I'm not going to debate the point anymore because the official statement indicates that the mobs were unintentionally buffed. I don't need to a validate it beyond that.

after this i re-watched the video several more times. i paid extra close attention to the keys you were using. In correspondence to the abilities 1-5 you started with 3 shield charge and then started spamming Fire Whip. each key press is noticeable.
Key 1 Pierce armor
Key 2 Lava Whip
Key 3 Shield Charge
Key 4 Searing Strike?
that leaves key 5 as the only defensive ability you may have slotted and im unable to depict what it is off hand. based off the video and watching the key presses which are very easily seen whats being used, you didn't use all abilities and only until you hit about 2% did you ever hit Key 5.

"I can beat the same group using a switch on dragon blood/talons and come out of it with almost all of my hp/stam/magicka exhausted"

How does this differ from where your resources ended in the video excluding the fact your health was missing as well.

Regardless of what the official statement was on mob buffs it is easy to see you did not in fact use all abilities or really put forth an effort to survive so i stand to my previous statement. Let me clarify I am in no way arguing over the unintentional buff of the mobs official statement or not.

I am however making a point to show that the video was done in a very biased manner and that even with the excuse of graphics settings your argument is not only intentionally trying to put weight to your position but invalid because your obvious biased stance has left you incapable of providing a positive or balanced dissemination of your evidence. If you want people to take you seriously go back and provide a video showing you actually tried to play the game, currently you just look like someone who is unsatisfied with the patch and doesn't wish to do more than afk fight groups of mobs.

I'm not flaming you I am asking you to make it believable this is too easily picked apart. People know the surface of the game is cracked, it is not broken.

Silverblade

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »

Silverblade wrote: »

Just lol. I'm glad your enjoyment of the game has prompted you to resubscribe, but if you think that this new patch has addressed any of the on going issues with bots, hacks and cheaters, you are very wrong.

The update did in fact stop the bots - at least temporarily, if only for a few hours while their hacks were updated. That is real world evidence that ZOS is in fact working on it. I do not expect them to resolve the bot problem in one update, in fact I don't expect them to ever completely eliminate bots. What I want to know is that they are working on it, it would be nice to get reports occasionally on how successful they are being - ie, how many accounts banned, or whatever - some metric.

I appreciate what you are trying to say but real world evidence this is not. It is simply the nature of a new patch. Addresses will be changed, memory locations moved, and programs that once allowed such cheats will need to be updated to reflect this. There is already on going movement to address this.
An occasional update on accounts banned due to botting would be something I would love to see as well. I make numerous amounts of reports each day thanks to the wonderful Fast Report addon, but I get no feedback on what the result of those reports are. Am I wasting my time here?

I'm not kidding myself into the belief that there will be a permanent solution to the bots, this will simply never happen. I do look at it this way though, the amount of them in game are in fact the fault of ZOS themselves and lazy programming. Every harvest node in the game is in a static position ripe for the picking. Stand on it long enough and it will respawn exactly where it had always been before. They just laid out an automated path for the bots to follow, the only thing missing is the big sign that says Start Here.

Chrysolis

Like I said, I'm not going to continue debating the merits of this known issue. Find another hobby.

Nightspectre

Chrysolis wrote: »

Like I said, I'm not going to continue debating the merits of this known issue. Find another hobby.

great, considering i never said i was debating the merits of the known issue, I'm pointing out the merits of your honesty or lack thereof and that you blatantly failed in the video just to support what you were saying, then blamed the lack of using abilities to a lowered graphics setting.

When that was pointed out you decided to go "im not discussing this". If you are not going to discuss it then don't, if you are then put forth some actual proof to your claim and not something that can be seen through so easily.

Chrysolis

You have a serious problem letting go. It was intended to show that veteran mobs do too much damage; and it did. The end.

Nightspectre

Chrysolis wrote: »

You have a serious problem letting go. It was intended to show that veteran mobs do too much damage; and it did. The end.

so you are discussing this after all? I am just wondering you seem to switching your stance a lot now.

Nightspectre

can you post a video for me I'm having a hard time figuring out what your message is...them darn filters