Mob damage increase in VR zones other than Craglorn

Shinoe

I would appreciate a response from one of our esteemed Community Managers. I'm going to keep this simple and cordial, I don't want this to turn into a ZOS hate fest, please

Mobs in VR1-10 VR zones are now doing around twice the damage they did pre-patch. I personally tested in VR9 Alik'r + VR10 Bangkorai and people are saying the same about other zones.

Soloing is now nearly impossible when groups of 3 mobs constantly hit you with normal attacks anywhere from 400 to 600 per hit x3. Those shuriken ranged attacks now hit for near 1,000 on light armor.

This is all people are talking about in VR zones so it is clearly a widespread issue. Can any light be shed on what may be going on here?

Morimizo

I certainly agree have noticed the same buff to VR enemies. Perhaps all VR mobs are VR11 and 12 like in Craglorn? A Global AOE Buff?

TaffyIX

Should this turn out to be true, I'll enjoy VR content even more!
Great to not be able to streamroll through content(at least solo) too fast!

Just waiting on EU server to come back online

Excited.

Slash8915

TaffyIX wrote: »

Should this turn out to be true, I'll enjoy VR content even more!
Great to not be able to streamroll through content(at least solo) too fast!

Just waiting on EU server to come back online

Excited.

Prepare to be unpleasantly surprised...

Zeeed

guess its a good thing i finished all quests in all zones before the patch...

ShintaiDK

TaffyIX wrote: »

Should this turn out to be true, I'll enjoy VR content even more!
Great to not be able to streamroll through content(at least solo) too fast!

Just waiting on EU server to come back online

Excited.

It may turn up to be your shortest game playing day. Specially the 17K HP trashmobs in VR zones.

tribalbritb14a_ESO

I absolutely agree. As much as I love this game. This has been a total disaster. A complete misfire with the decision to increase damage in veteran zones from mobs. I've looked at this game with incredible optimism, as I've thoroughly enjoyed this game until my current position of Veteran Rank 9.

Unfortunately, logging in today was extremely far from hopeful. The damage I'm certain has been increased no less than 50%. And as a result, progress in most of my quests today has been trial and error.

I play a Sorcerer in medium armor, with dual wield swords. And the entire time I was looking for a way to justify this change. I shifted abilities over and over to find some sort of sense in how I was supposed to "solo" a "solo dungeon." I went as far as to craft a full set of "Blue" heavy armor, and even switched in Thundering Presence and Immovable as constant defensive abilities for survival. To no avail. With 2500 health, every missed opportunity to interrupt a spell, block an attack, dodge an ability has been met with no less than 500 hp, 1/5th of my health, and if caught between defensive spells, double as I've seen on my death recap. And that isn't including the auto attacks that have dealt as much as 300 per hit.

At this point I'm hopelessly certain this was an absolute error. However, at this point its nearly impossible to make progress and level to vet 10 to enjoy the Craglorn content outside of seeking a to gain exp through a personally less desirable expedition into Cyrodiil to squeeze out the last 1.5 million exp I need. I've looked over the numbers and they really just don't add up to something that's even theoretically manageable in a game, whose most pleasing emphasis is playing the way that suits the player. And with that I end this with continued optimism that you guys with Zinemax will remedy this error so I can continue to enjoy the game I have so thoroughly since release.

Ardeni

I just did a VR4 solo dungeon and it appeared to be just as easy as before. I'm not sure if this problem touched EU, or then it's only visible in VR5+ content, who knows.

nez

ohhh i cant wait to get my ass kicked, nearly at 98% of installing patch, ohhh yeah kick it hard mob, do that!

PBpsy

Morimizo wrote: »

I certainly agree have noticed the same buff to VR enemies. Perhaps all VR mobs are VR11 and 12 like in Craglorn? A Global AOE Buff?

Nope. VR9-10 trash mobs can wipe the floor with trash mobs in Craglorn.

SienneYviete

Honestly i'm enjoying the difficulty increase, having rolled a NB at launch through to vet ranks with a bunch of broken skills and now having my DK 1h shield toon apparently nerfed to oblivion (not my personal opinion, still finding it fairly easy, never used bash spam much)........ I dunno I guess i'm just not seeing anything all that bad with the difficulty change. Some of the 1 on 1 boss fights remind me of Dark Souls encounters

Syntse

tribalbritb14a_ESO wrote: »

At this point I'm hopelessly certain this was an absolute error. However, at this point its nearly impossible to make progress and level to vet 10 to enjoy the Craglorn content outside of seeking a to gain exp through a personally less desirable expedition into Cyrodiil to squeeze out the last 1.5 million exp I need. I've looked over the numbers and they really just don't add up to something that's even theoretically manageable in a game, whose most pleasing emphasis is playing the way that suits the player. And with that I end this with continued optimism that you guys with Zinemax will remedy this error so I can continue to enjoy the game I have so thoroughly since release.

What I've seen from comments here Craglorn is easier than the normal VET zones so it might be better just to go there for now to do the final leveling.

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

packs of 3 ? why are 3 hitting you ? CC and kite are you doing that ? or are you letting all 3 hit you ?

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

tell me what class you play, and what is in the pack ? mage,ranger,warrior ? and what are the spells you use ?

DeLindsay

inspiral1 wrote: »

packs of 3 ? why are 3 hitting you ? CC and kite are you doing that ? or are you letting all 3 hit you ?

I wish you luck man, I can say that last night I has ZERO issue face pulling 5-8 or so mobs and doing just fine in my VR6 zone, today I can BARELY handle a 2 pull without dying. It's not the health increase that's the bother it's that normal every day mobs out in the zone are ALL hitting as hard as a storyline boss. I'm going from 2400 health (+300 overcharged resist/armor) to dead in 3 hits.

Fast forward to Craglorn where I spent about 6 hours in today, and I can solo 7 pulls reasonably well, which are VR11. There's OBVIOUSLY a problem when sooo many people are seeing the exact same issues. It's not a "l2play noob" issue here.

phairdon

Fought one imp in veteran level 6 area; the imp did 2121K HP before killing it. Only reason I survived is because of nourishment.
Then ran into two enemy npc & they did 2952 damage between them.

Update; taken out by two incendiary Mage - hit 4 times between them.
My experience so far; stay clear of anything throwing lightening or flame if possible.

Harakh

They want all to enjoy the new content

PBpsy

Eldhaaril wrote: »

Honestly i'm enjoying the difficulty increase, having rolled a NB at launch through to vet ranks with a bunch of broken skills and now having my DK 1h shield toon apparently nerfed to oblivion (not my personal opinion, still finding it fairly easy, never used bash spam much)........ I dunno I guess i'm just not seeing anything all that bad with the difficulty change. Some of the 1 on 1 boss fights remind me of Dark Souls encounters

I wouldn't compare the mess that upper VR faction zones is in now with with Dark Souls challenging but generally balanced gameplay. This reminds me more of the cheap turdfest that was Diablo3 inferno in the first weeks after launch.

Ranrach

Same thing here. I'm VR3 and questing @ Greenshade. I'm a very strong tank, dedicated to PvE. I had no problem tanking groups of 5 or 6 mobs pre patch, now I can't even tank 3 mobs. I was just killed by 3 justicars with 4k (4K!!!!) HP. I loved the challenge with VR pre patch, now it's simply ridiculous. This really needs to be rolled back immediately.

elblobbob14_ESO

inspiral1 wrote: »

tell me what class you play, and what is in the pack ? mage,ranger,warrior ? and what are the spells you use ?

Ok, here's a an example. I am ranged sorcerer who uses bow. I rely heavily on cc and have since I started playing this char. I have the nuances of using draining shot with rune cage down to a fine art. I have heavy chest/legs, light the rest. I don't use pets, hate them. I am a level 50 alchemist. I also am a big user of spell potions, but usually only need those for delve bosses and "solo" quest bosses. I am VR8 so I have been perfecting this play style since day 1.

I come up against 2 mages. Rune cage the first, before I even get a chance to start in on the second I am down to 1/2 health. I drain shot the second, catch my breath, drink a heal pot and start in on the second. Now, my Rune Cage, with passives, should keep the first tied down for ~20 seconds, I am barely into nuking down the second mage, when the first somehow breaks Rune Cage and is now nuking me. I turn to drain shot him and the first now nukes me. 3 shots, last shot was over 1500 damage. I used a soul stone to rez, and spent the next hour using different skill combinations to try and figure out a way to make this work. No matter what I tried, I couldn't come up with a way to effectively kill 2 trash mage mobs without dying.. Also... did you note..? 1500+ damage with one shot? From a level VR9 trash mob?

Now, to give you a little more perspective, I went into Crimson Cove, which is a public dungeon. They specifically stated in the patch notes that they were upping the difficulty of this dungeon, and they did. Where there used to be groups of 5, now there are 7, and they are definitely buffed up. But, with a change in tactics, I was able to take on a group of 7 mobs, in a public dungeon (supposedly harder) without dying. I did this several times. I will say that I had to use a Spell potion (for those that don't know, it bumps crit/damage/restores magika) on each group of mobs, so in the end, when you compare it with the drops you get, not worth it to do solo, but still, I did this for an hour, killing groups of 7 dungeon mobs, over and over, and never died.

Go back out into the open world, try to take on packs of 2-3, my success ratio was less than 50%. If there is only one ranged in the pack, then sure, I can do it all day long with cc, but it's fricking work, and most certainly not fun, considering the crap that open world trash mobs drop, and the bump in vet exp isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Now, having read all that, how can you say that there hasn't been a mistake when I can go into a public dungeon, solo, and not die killing groups of 7 mobs, but I die 1/2 the time out in the open world just trying to take on packs of 2 or 3 trash mobs? I went ahead and tried to do one of my solo quests, but finally just gave up and called it a night.

In the end, this game is supposed to be fun. We are the clients. The devs work for us. All you have to do is read the forums to realize that this update took any remaining fun out of the higher end Veteran zones (which were already a grind anyway, having to do all the quests in the other factions).

Anyway, I am in no way a quitter, and I most certainly love a challenge, but shouldn't that challenge be where it was inteneded? With the end-of-solo-quest bosses? public dungeons? delve bosses?, not with the random trash mob out in the open.

Oh, and by the way, the big reduction in repair costs? Not so big.

zaria

VR1 on EU server, could not notice any changes neither in damage or in health.
One VR4 was unsure as I understand it should be no problem noticing?

Or has this been fixed on the EU server and they hoped to sneak in a hotfix on the US before someone noticed, no not players, before management noticed .

antonyfrnb16_ESO

Logged in this morning questing in The Rift VR4 all I can say is the game is now broke before I could handle group of three mobs today I can barely deal with one mob one hit is taking over 50% of my Health. Yesterday I didn't have this problem

Big_O

Here is a pic of me being 1 shot killed last night from a trash mob. I tried to post the pic but having problem with it.


http://i57.tinypic.com/2njfuc6.jpg

DeLindsay

Big_O wrote: »

Here is a pic of me being 1 shot killed last night from a trash mob. I tried to post the pic but having problem with it.


http://i57.tinypic.com/2njfuc6.jpg

ROFL, 2678 dmg from a random zone tiger... yup, nothing wrong with 1.1.2 changes at all.

onlinegamer1

VR mobs have 2x Health, *and* do 2x Damage.

Please hotfix.

phairdon

zaria wrote: »

VR1 on EU server, could not notice any changes neither in damage or in health.
One VR4 was unsure as I understand it should be no problem noticing?

Or has this been fixed on the EU server and they hoped to sneak in a hotfix on the US before someone noticed, no not players, before management noticed .

Think you will. Depends on the enemy you're facing & what they're throwing at you. As stated in my post flame & lightening hit you for huge damage.

grizzbi

VR3 Templar - DPS build - medium armor 7/7 - stamina build:

- Mobs seem to have the same HP as before the patch.
- They don't really hit harder. Anyway definitely not twice harder as some people claim..

The death recap help to see why you died:
- Many low hits in a short time frame.
- A huge crit.
- Magical damage
- etc..

I've noticed a few visual tweaks which help to better understand the fight. It helps.

I've done many tests on the same mobs and I was able to get better results adjusting my skills rotation. Depending on the mob type, people may have to adapt.

So, overall I like to difficulty. People can't just spam one ability and kill anything. It's not new for me as a templar. There are 2 or 3 builds which work quite well (healer / holy knight, etc..). DPS is more difficult but it's satisfying for those who enjoy the challenge (as I currently do).

I've been able to follow a sorcerer in a public dungeon. It was easier for him. He was using all the tools available to him (pet/cc/dps). And he was able to kill packs of 3 and even 4-5 mobs. Things are more difficult for me in medium armor and low magicka at the moment. But I'm trying to build something different for fun!

So, don't listen to people. Try yourself. Adapt. And enjoy.

Have fun!

A "gimped" and "useless" Templar

phairdon

One hit killed by the 'corruption of the tree' boss in save the wyrd tree quest.
This is ridiculous. Now died 4 times because you have to try and race around the between spirits for protection. Only problem is you get frozen in place & die with one hit even with full health.

elblobbob14_ESO

grizzbi wrote: »

VR3 Templar - DPS build - medium armor 7/7 - stamina build:

After reading through most of the posts, and experiencing it firsthand, most of the issues seem to be in the higher end Vet zones, so, as a VR3, it's nice that you encourage us to adapt, enjoy, have fun, but the issue isn't in the lower VR zones. Let me know how much fun you are having and how your adaption is working when you get to VR9.

DeLindsay

phairdon wrote: »

One hit killed by the 'corruption of the tree' boss in save the wyrd tree quest.

WOW lucky I completed that last night then. He never hit me for more than ~1K though it took a while to kill with his 16K health (pre-1.1.2). Unfortunately I only made it about 6 quests farther and am now basically stuck sine I can't solo 3 mobs anymore, well that is unless it's Craglorn then 7 is fine, lol.

frwinters_ESO

I havent noticed.