MiathTheRed wrote: »

Y'all need to leave us alone. I'm in Cyro every single day and every single day the population is not insignificant. We do have large battles, thanks.

Indeed. Lots of folk out here trying to take Grey Host away from those who enjoy it. It's strange.

Stop blaming ball groups for causing lag by using skills provided by the game when the problem is an engine, net code and server that can't handle the load, not to mention too many effects causing frame drop at the client.

StihlReign wrote: »

What is the Cyrodiil Champions Test?
The Cyrodiil Champions Test (Vengeance Campaign) is focused directly on reducing Ability complexity in an effort to cut down on server stress when mass battles occur. Anything you see that's enabled or disabled during this test is purely for the sake of performance and getting calculations as low as possible on the server. SOURCE

Note: ZOS calls it the Vengeance Campaign in January, March and September. Source

Test 4 soon. This thread will be interesting...

The only thing they have left to tell us is whether or not vengeance will be replacing or running alongside normal live Cyrodiil PvP.

I don't know why some keep harping on Vengeance being more "skill" based, if anything it is more zerg based.
Part of "skill" is making a killer build as well.

Stridig wrote: »

I'm pretty sure there are shady people playing the game. But to say ball groups hope for lag so they can take advantage of people is just ridiculous. Balls groups die fast if the can't cast skills. Just like everyone else.

I don't think groups are purposefully causing lag, or attempting to cause lag in order to gain some benefit for themselves over their opponents. That's just silly.

But they are 100% undoubtedly the first and foremost cause of prime time PVP lag. Nearly every night I've played over the past few years, it becomes immediately clear when the ball groups log in and begin playing. You can genuinely feel it.

Further, zenimax themselves did firmly confirm that ball groups are the cause of the performance issues. Back during one of their early performance tests maybe 4-6 years ago (I think the AOE cooldown test or perhaps the cross healing test), they did share their "results" after finishing. They cited that the behaviors of certain groups stacking together and rapidly refreshing their buffs and heals was something they had not anticipated when designing ESO, and was the number one thing impacting performance.

While I agree many posters are going overboard with their suggestions that groups are maliciously causing the performance issues for their own gain, they aren't wrong that the groups are in fact the primary cause of the lag.

If the odds of three things happening in series are each 1%, but only if the previous thing happened, the odds of all three happening are 1 in a million, literally.

At 10% chance for each the odds that all three will happen in series is 1 in 1,000.

I dont know what the odds of each are, but you see how thos can get out of hand really quickly when sequential rng requirements are strung together.

I still can't believe they called it "subclassing" when it is clearly multiclassing...

kargen27 wrote: »

I decided to use an alternate character to level up some lines for subclassing. I picked one that hadn't done any public dungeon quests and then went around doing them. It is rare I go into a public dungeon and don't see at least a couple of other players running around.
Maybe population is down but I'm still seeing quite a few players when I'm out doing my thing. I'm still having fun and it seems so are quite a few other players.
Sorry you are not.

thanks for the sympathy, but your anecdotal evidence is spurious at best. population is way down, off preceding lows. Saying your still enjoying it is fine for you, but its also loaded if your trying to assess statistics and evidence. Of course the people remaining have stayed for their own reasons, and i would never try to take that from you, but you're not who i'm talking about at all. I'm talking about all the people that aren't here anymore, and some of the obvious reasons why.

I don't go into public dungeons for anything really, and while that's cool that is your challenge level, it's not mine, nor the literal legion of people who have left and are phasing out of this game. you can be happy with it, I am not. I've leveled all the lines I want, I have a bazillion hours into this game with 2 or 3 of every class. Gilded sets of everything from meta DD through all the supports. a respectable number of trifectas for my efforts, a few gaps still that I would have liked to check off, but not like this. not at all. and I'm hardly alone, as evidenced by the continual population decline. the endgame is so tweaked right now its ridiculous.

So, again, I'm truly happy for you, but please don't present this situation as fine, and everyone agrees its fine, when its not. the numbers speak volumes. the lack of people complaining isn't a good indication of a problem, but the lack of people at all is.

PDarkBHood wrote: »

Punches_Below_Belt wrote: »

THIS is your frustration with the game?

Yeah, thinking the same thing! Been soooo long I cannot remember the old animation, so I voted for the new animation. Try and move on people. Not worth the ulcer.

Or, you know, if you really don't care at all just don't click the thread basically asking people to vote which one they prefer. I don't think voting actually causes ulcers.

I own all the houses you can buy with in game gold with the exception of one. I would love to see more made available. Any chance this will happen?