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Re: Hybridization
Might disagree… but I think hybridization is almost on par with subclassing contributing to bad balance and removing variety.
It’s ironic.
Someone else has already commented to this effect so I'll explain it in terms of my own experience. I have two dark elf sorcs that I made before hybridization as dps characters. Both were a lot of fun to play and had completely different playstyles due to using different morphs of the same skill. My magsorc was the queen of ranged, single target damage while my stam sorc (thanks to hurricane) was a speedy whirlwind of melee carnage.
Hybridization merged this into a single Crystal Frag spamming meta.
However, there was still class identity based on the class skills: my warden still played differently to my DK and my DK to my sorc and my sorc to my templar etc. So I still enjoyed playing all four of these different classes on trials and endgame content. This happened too in PvP where a sorc could be far more mobile than a templar and DK but also not as effective at close range, resulting in a different playstyle and gameplay experience based around strengths and weaknesses of each class.
What subclassing has done is merge them all into one. And what I find particularly disgusting is they then nerfed the pure classes so that we are now forced to subclass in order to keep our old dps.
What's made it worse is that the devs have made zero attempt to strengthen the underperforming skill lines. An example of this is for the sorcerer's Dark Magic skill line: it contains one of the hardest hitting damage skills in the form of Crystal Frags. Crystal Frags was the go to skill in PvE and an absolute blast when it procced in PvP.
However, as Dark Magic is designated as a tanking skill line, it has no damage boosting passives and thus is far inferior overall to Herald of the Tome, Assassination, Aedric Spear or Animal Companion. There is no good reason for a dps sorc to run Dark Magic unless it's for role-playing.
Subclassing has killed any need for alts and basically zeroed the replayability of this game.
Re: I can't recall a single combat change that has made the game better! Please prove me wrong.
Yea very few combat changes have been positive in the 10 years that I’ve played the game, and there’s even fewer positive changes since 2019. I actually can’t think of any at all off the top of my head.
The game never really recovered from the disaster that was 2019. Many of the worst combat changes ever were made that year.
Combat adjustments have been extremely light since 2022. Outside of subclassing, combat hasn’t changed all that much compared to previous years. It’s a shame. They made drastic and detrimental combat changes and then stopped when the game was in bad shape.
The game never really recovered from the disaster that was 2019. Many of the worst combat changes ever were made that year.
Combat adjustments have been extremely light since 2022. Outside of subclassing, combat hasn’t changed all that much compared to previous years. It’s a shame. They made drastic and detrimental combat changes and then stopped when the game was in bad shape.
Stamicka
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Re: Vengeance has officially ended the THREE BANNERS WAR
StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is preventing you or anyone else from being successful in PvP either. Everyone already has the same resources to work with when it comes to both PvE and PvP. So we don't need vengeance because it's a solution in search of a problem, right?
LPapirius
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Re: Is it time for ZOS to give us an official statement of intentions regarding future vengeance plans?
Joy_Division wrote: »TheAwesomeChimpanzee wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »They don;t know yet.
You actually think a AAA game producer like ZOS doesn't know what their plans are for a project they've sunk thousands of man hours and who knows how much money into is going to be? Let's try and be real here for a second, shall we?
Yes. And so do you.
There are about a dozen people who constantly flood these forums with complaints and rants about Vengeance. They'll upload screenshots trying to convince ZOS it's a dead server, they deride the players in vengeance as PvE casuals, they claim to speak for all PvPers, they'll claim it's a laggy mess, insist that it will be an empty server because the Vengeance audience is flighty and uninterested in PvP, etc., they have done all of this in the past 6 months in an attempt to demonstrate to ZOS that Vengeance is not worth supporting, so as to ensure that the current ESO campaigns are kept at the least, and ideally the resources allotted for Vengeance would instead go to making a performant GH.
You and others are doing this because there is a belief that ZOS can be convinced. Because ZOS future plans are not set in stone. That even if they have every intention of going with Vengeance, that their mind could be changed if either support for Vengeance declined among the ESO community or the performance was poor. In short, ZOS could alter tomorrow what they might have intended on doing today.
Or, ZOS isn't sure yet.
AAA studios, including ZOS, change their minds all the time due to unforeseen circumstances. Go west of Dragonsreach and you'll see Cloud Ruler Temple. That was going to be a PvE Trial that could only be accessed by an alliance who controlled certain objectives in Cyrodiil, in accordance to this AAA's original vision the PvP and PvE were to be interlinked. ZOS changed it. Just like the old idea of Imperial City having to be accessed via Cyrodiil. Changed. Just like ZOS's intentions to alter heavy/light attacks. Changed. Just like the old 4v4v4 BGs. Changed. All those old maps and assets just discarded. All of these things were, like Vengeance, projects and systems in which real development resources were allotted. Like an AAA studio, ZOS will adjust according to how mechanically feasible something like Vengeance is and, more importantly, how much their paying customers respond to it. Again, something the people who hate Vengeance know full well considering how forcefully they are venting their frustrations to ZOS.
If people paid attention to ZOS's last Livestream about Vengeance, it is obvious they're not sure how Vengeance will be implemented. They got a question specifically about whether or not the Vengeance model was going coming to Battlegrounds and Brain Wheeler specifically said that was under consideration, meaning *ZOS doesn't know yet*.
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Triple-A companies, or really any serious company investing years of resources into a project, don’t just “wing it” with no clear direction or end goal. That’s simply not how large-scale development works.
So it’s one of two things. Either what you’re saying is true and ZOS really has been stumbling along aimlessly for years with no concrete plan for Vengeance, in which case they don’t deserve whatever respect or patience the PvP playerbase still has left. Or, more realistically, you’re just talking out of your depth, because anyone who’s worked on a serious project in a professional environment knows that milestones, deliverables, and end goals are decided well in advance.
Trying to paint ZOS as if they’re still figuring it out as they go, after all this time, all these tests, and all the resources poured in, is either admitting total incompetence on their part or showing you’ve never actually been involved in real project development.
ZOS isn't stumbling along and they aren't winging it. They have devoted resources and there is a developed plan to work on Vengeance. All of this is true and they said so much on Livestream.
What I said is that ZOS isn't sure how or when they are going to implement Vengeance. They haven't made up their minds on that. Brian said so on Livestream about Battlegrounds. That's not incompetence. That doesn't mean they aren't serious about vengeance or don';t have a development plan. That's acknowledging that after two tests they don;t have the data to provide a set in stone determination about vengeance's future implementation. They don;t have all the variables. That's why they are having these tests because even with all the development they aren't sure how things will play out on a Live server under stressful conditions.
Ok, so what's the problem with ZOS telling us what their plans are then?
They have. Here's the PTS patch notes talking about Vengeance.
This is the 3-month plan. It's right there. You can read it.
But if you're asking why they don't share their 6-month plan? Or their 12-month plan? Even if it's just a WIP and still subject to change?
Because players willingly misread every word that comes out of their mouths.
If ZOS told us all of their current long-term plans, there's many users in this thread that would treat those words as a promise. And if ZOS ever stumbles into an issue, adjusts their plans, tries something different, or implement changes based on feedback, these same users will treat it like them breaking promises.
They're saying it this is all a WIP, and the final plan hasn't been determined. You're acting as if the final plan has been determined.
In short, ZOS is not talking because you're not listening.
This thread has probably make it very clear to ZOS that the ESO community is not mature and reasonable enough to be told this sort of stuff in an open discussion. And that is damn shame because I want ZOS to communicate more. But a communication has go both ways.
Marto
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Re: How to Kill a community
MasterSpatula wrote: »After the disgraceful way the community behaved during the last Vengeance (both those who petulantly boycotted the test and those who took advantage of that situation), I'm less concerned about ZOS killing the community than I am about it destroying itself.
I'd never felt ashamed to be a member of this community before last week, but holy crap guys, that was embarrassing.
Why is this community like this lol.
Not wanting to play something is not a boycott, neither is losing interest in a game when it forces you into content you dont want and thus not paying for the subscription.
A real boycott would be refusing to play zenimax and bethesda games and organizing others to refuse as well. This is just zenimax getting ratio'd for a poor decision and a lack of understanding of their fanbase and their game.
Re: How to Kill a community
MasterSpatula wrote: »After the disgraceful way the community behaved during the last Vengeance (both those who petulantly boycotted the test and those who took advantage of that situation), I'm less concerned about ZOS killing the community than I am about it destroying itself.
I'd never felt ashamed to be a member of this community before last week, but holy crap guys, that was embarrassing.
This is what is called "victim shaming". The players have done nothing wrong when they object to being treated disrespectfully. ZOS is who made it play vengeance or don't PvP, not the players.
JustLovely
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Re: Poll: Do you prefer the old or new templar spear model
DarkStrifeYT wrote: »As someone that has been playing Templar for over 10 years I have seen a bit of a split of the jab spear model change. For me personally I prefer the new model because the old one was didn't look like a spear but a cylinder model with pointed tips and no detail but being bright yellow. However I wanted to make this poll if you prefer the old or the new one.
The new jabs animation isn't a spear. It's a night hollow stave. Literally, it's a night hollow stave. It's not a spear of light like all the other templar spear of light animations are.
This is the change that made me realize ZOS might be slipping off the edge of sanity.
reazea
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Re: Poll: Do you prefer the old or new templar spear model
MasterSpatula wrote: »I find the 15% (so far) that prefer the new style surprisingly high. I really thought the community was as close to united on this one as it can possibly get.
About 15% of people are contrarians just for the sake of the drama.