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Re: IC is a joke
VaranisArano wrote: »I'm kinda curious about what you were doing/wearing to die in 10 seconds to Molten Whip spam.
maybe it was BSDM armor?
Re: How is DPS this low on CP 500+ toons?
YOU can. people like YOU can. which is also the point I was making all along. that its not the gear.
your rotation is better than you give yourself credit for, THAT is the point. when you are used to tight rotations, even when you are not trying, you are STILL going to do better then most.
and to reiterate, I'm not saying its impossible. its obviously possible. all I'm saying is that its only possible for SOME. NOT. for everyone. not even for most.
zvavi's guide to git good for casual players:
Step 1:
Start with practicing the timing. Get combat metrics, and spam slowly light attack+spammable at the low hp dummy. Slowly get faster, up till the point you kill the 300k hp dummy like it with spammables like that with more than 1 skill&light attack per 1.1 seconds. Take a break, go questing while trying to keep up that timing. questing is a valid way to practice. When you come back to the dummy and easily keep the pace and timing, you aren't ready for step 2.
Step2:
static heavy attack rotations.My first static rotation was heavy attack sorc when i was CP 160, after some practice (at the time skill times etc were pretty short) it consisted of 6 skills, 5 light attacks, and 1 heavy. Lightning staff is really good to balance heavy attack rotation for 3 reasons,First you will have to chose a rotation. For beginners I would recommend a heavy attack rotation, for 3 reasons.
1. It's timing when you weave it with skills goes well with skill cd, unlike the fire heavy attack that takes 2.9 seconds when you weave it with a skill.
2. It gets buffed 4 times by vMA staff and other heavy attack sets like UI ai etc etc etc
3. Lightning staff heavy attacks are just much more satisfying than fire and ice ones. Like seriously. Fire and ice feels slow and annoying, even if they are actually faster than lightning.
So if you are heading to the heavy attack rotation, I would consider lightning staff, the dots you like the most and heavy attack to your heart content
1. It is taxing to keep up light attacks and skills up when you are not used to it. The heavy attack gives you a small break every rotation, which is very welcome. Especially when you are getting used to mechanics as well.
2. It is much less resource heavy. You are not as prone to not being able to sustain because of bad healers.
3. It gets you used to the very important timing of DoTs, big mistake I see dds at lower levels is that they use their dots once, then burn all their resources on spammables. With 2/3 heavy attacks between reapplying dots you will never forget them.
After creating such a rotation for your favourite class (any sets will do really, good beginner sets for heavy attack rotation that I like are necropotence paired with mechanical acuity, but can't be done on any class, you could pair mechanical with julianos as well, any monster set thrown in.) Go practice it a tiny bit on a 3m hp dummy. After feel like you got it right go dungeon with it a bit, try to focus on using trash potions on cooldown)
Example for such rotations with only 6 skills used (destro ult when you feel like it):
Templar - la, wall, la, ritual of retribution, la mystic orb, barswap, lightning heavy attack, purifying light,
lightning heavy attack, luminous shards, lightning heavy attack, purifying light, barswap, rinse repeat.
Heavy attack weaving quick explanation:if you use a skill at the second half of your heavy attack it makes you weave the skill in. It is a bit slower than heavy attacking without a skill, but faster than heavy attack+light attack+skill, lightning heavy weaving is perfect for rotations because it takes a very close time to 3 seconds
When your eyes start wandering around during the heavy attack, looking at your allies etc, it is time for step 3.
Step 3:
Static non heavy attack rotation.
At this point you are ready to create your first vet trial build. Weaving in a rotation with many skills easy enough for you to get bored during the heavy attack breaks. You are ready for the trial dummy.
The major difference between trials and dungeons is the amount of support you get from your supports, so you will have a lot more resources coming at you in a trial.
Get yourself sustain food (max resource+resource regeneration) to stimulate trial environment on the trial dummy, and practice your newly made rotation. It will take long, so get an evening ready for it. When you feel comfortable with the rotation, join your social guild in some vet trial runs to test it out.
During this phase I would recommend also changing your dungeon build, adding a spammable on front bar, and alternating between more spammables and more heavy attacks depending on the amount of support you are getting from the healers,
remember, 1 heavy + skill replaces 3(light attack + skill)
Step 4:
When you gain more experience, you can graduate from static rotations, and move on to dynamic ones, but that's not the point of this guide.
This was written inspired by my own journey.
I appreciate the guide, but... IN WHAT WORLD IS THIS CASUAL????? in what world is this even on the same continent as casual?
each one of your steps is missing something crucial. how LONG it takes to progress through them. if you manage to progress at all. because that light attack+ skill in 1.1 second? I. cannot. Do. THAT. I've played this game long enough to have tried. I can do the sequence slowly. I cannot speed it up and I cannot get it so precice as to keep it without FRACTIONS of a second. specific fractions of a second.
what is absolutely bizzare to me is that so called casual game seems to REQUIRE this in order to do decent dps. WHILE having non sticky targets.
Re: How is DPS this low on CP 500+ toons?
ForeverJenn wrote: »ForeverJenn wrote: »ForeverJenn wrote: »@Raideen
I'm not sure why you are finding the need to be sarcastic or rude. I haven't insulted you. I called myself a potato DPS for pulling 18k. I'm sorry your dps isn't where you want it to be. Maybe try the players helping players forum. I am asking about ppl who do 3k dmg. Not 18k.
To be completely honest, its because I don't believe that you pull 18k without trying. Calling yourself a potato for pulling 18k insinuates anyone who pull less is..well whatever is worse than a potato.
I say that because my friends and guildies are pulling 40-60k dps. I pull 18k not knowing what I'm doing. But I also know I don't have the wiring in my brain to dos. This is why I tank and heal. All I'm saying is that if me, who can pull 18k as a clueless person, can pull 18k, I don't understand how 3k is possible from ppl that high level. It has nothing to do with insulting you. Maybe you're like me and are better suited to heal and tank. Please don't get offended, it's far from my intention.
I don't understand the 60k dps stuff. I have never seen it done.
I have to ask. In ESO when someone refers to pulling "60k" DPS does that mean a peak number, or sustained?
On a boss. Example 50k dps in a 2 minute fight. 60k is on the higher end. 80k is achievable by like 1%
I am going to have to go with exploits then. I don't see any way, shape or form that someone can sustain that kind of DPS without using an exploit.
Are you talking about trials or vet dungeons?
I've seen the way people who can do this play and more importantly I have seen just how much they practice. its not exploit. its good reflexes coupled with hours and hours and HOURS of practicing their rotations until their muscle memory is so good that they can literally dps with their eyes closed (or at least with their UI disabled) as the timing and general muscle memory becomes so ingrained for them.
the problem with a lot of the youtube vids, etc - is that they don't really show that. they show the absolute best attempt, but they do not show hours and hours and hours of previous attempts as well as general practice that preceded it.
think of it this way. when a professional.... lets go with Chef since I've been on cooking video binge recently, chops up a bunch of veggies in seconds and those veggies are uniform to boot.. are they using exploits? or is it just lots and lots and lots of practice? with a dash of some natural affinity thrown in?
and here is the thing for me at least. I think that people who invest that kind of time SHOULD be able to do better then people who do not. the problem with ESO combat specifically is that the gap between all the different people with different ingrained ability - is too large due to how combat itself is structured and how much it favors ingrained ability and internet connection with low latency even before practice comes into play.
Re: ZOS: URGENT PLEA ABOUT ABUSIVE COMMENTS on ZONE CHAT ...extremely upsetting.
Why post it on the forums?
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If this is happening, people (and the ZoS employees) need to know about it.
Other people who might be hurt and unwilling to speak up need to hear that it's okay to protest abuse.
Other people who "saw something" and weren't sure if it needed to be reported need to be encouraged to do so.
Re: How is DPS this low on CP 500+ toons?
There is absolutely NOTHING a player does while playing this game that teaches them what animation cancelling is or how to light attack weave. To the uninformed, they could easily assume the few times they do it by accident to be nothing but lag. However, the single greatest contributor to a person's DPS is light attack weaving. Light attack weaving nothing but their spammable and light attacks will yield you, conservatively, 20k DPS. Why do you think animation cancelling and light attack weaving is such a polarizing topic? It's unintuitive, inconsistent, and poorly implemented and yet players are expected to pick it up exclusively by word of mouth. Do something about light attack weaving and animation cancelling and you'd probably find inexperienced players are able to contribute more to a group.
Re: Magblade performance this patch
You are misrepresenting what he said. He was talking about tooltips, not what you're being hit with after battle spirit and mitigations.pauld1_ESO wrote: »xI_The_Owl_Ix wrote: »pauld1_ESO wrote: »xI_The_Owl_Ix wrote: »@Deathlord92
Magblades are bad, that being said due to the proc changes you can build a strong proc - magNB. I usually win 90% of the fights with this set up, and people keep asking me in game what Im running etc.
Frontbar - Caluurion (Inferno in precise with Shock enchant)
Backbar - Armor Master (Restro in defending with mag steal enchant or poison)
Monster Set - Kjalnar
Mythic - Wild hunt (in Swift)
It pretty much plays like your usual magblade (Dark Cloak, Rapid Regen, Shields, Fear, Swallow Soul, Soul Harvest etc). You fear you target right at 4 stacks of Kjalnar. If you manage to proc Caluurion, Kjalnar and Spectral Bow it can "1-shot" a lot of people, while youre sitting at around 30k resistances (in 5light - 2 heavy) on backbar with 30k HP. Its cancer, but thats unfortunately the meta we are currently in.
Bad.....but you win 90% of fights and can practically one shot? Okay.
And yea, I've been a victim of this type of build many times.
Yes its bad, proc meta doesnt require skill or a good class toolkit. That being said Im pretty sure you play a stamBlade and stamBlades are much much better, they dont even require you to play proc sets just because of how good the toolkit is.
You can clearly see that the build is a very tanky build, 30k resistances with 30k HP, I run around with 34k max mag and all magicka recovery glphys, which in return means that my non proc abilities actually hit not that high. My Swallow Soul for example only has a tooltip of 7511 Magic Damage, which is low. (very low compared to my StamBlades 12k Surprise Attack...)
12k surprise attack? Why do people always exaggerating stamblade damage on the forums lol. This is actually funny considering there is another thread with someone complaining that incap strike hit him for 12k. At least is realistic.
I got hit by a 18k executioner the other day from a stamden. Let's talk about that.
Both stamblades and magblades can reach 16K+ fully-buffed tooltips, when you take Incap / Soul Harvest and every other conceivable buff into account, although stamblade reaches a little higher, 17.8K vs 16.4K to be exact. I don't know whether UESP is 100% accurate on this, but I do believe it is accurate in representing the difference between the two classes. If I could encourage you to peruse this thread and the UESP links in detail. It's not a long thread:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6969534
The point is, however, that a stamblade build which retains much of that theoretical tooltip, is a viable build for the reasons stated by @JayKwellen, whereas in order to produce a viable magblade build with similar survivability you tend to compromise your damage a lot. You can claw that back via proc sets, but like The Owl, I find that my Concealed tooltip ends up in the region of 7.5K. You're also left dependent on the timing of your procs and the Merciless Resolve mini-game. While I see good stamblades use Assassin's Scourge, they don't have to. They can just as easily make a Snipe build or a plain Incap / spam Surprise Attack build and still hit really hard.
I went more of a ganker route with my magblade, using Elemental Weapon into Soul Harvest and Caluurion. This is easier to pull off than a Merciless combo, but it can't match what The Owl is doing in terms of burst nor does it have the continued 6-second-after Incap pressure of a stat-based stamblade when my burst fails, which it invariably does against decent and/or tanky players. There is no denying that the surprise factor is huge in open world, especially against players already under pressure in a brawl, but your lack of defenses as a cloaking, yet out of cloak, magblade are real, compared to stamblade. There are a lot of small things that add up, from the lack of a burst heal, to shields taking a GCD and bar space, to limited stamina sustain for dodge rolls, to having to use a skill (RAT) for Major expedition. These mean that you lose both time and bar space on defense, compared to a stamblade.
Time, especially, is something you do not have. Tankier builds / classes give you an extra second here and there to buff / heal or make a mistake. The Owl went the tanky route, but ditched Shadowy Disguise. A squishy nightblade is unforgiving to play. Stamblade is able to make the most of a single defensive GCD by healing (Vigor) into a dodge roll while also gaining Major Expedition (from bow) and probably the woodelf passive to boot. Magblade doesn't have the same efficiency. You generally have to choose between gaining speed via RAT or healing via Healing Ward / Rapid Regen. Shield stacking Dampen + Healing Ward gets you out of trouble sometimes, but does not get you away. If I'm under pressure as a magblede in a melee situation, I'm generally forced into shielding or healing, combined with a dodge roll, otherwise I die within the next second. I do not gain speed as well. Even Shadow Image, which I admittedly rarely slot, feels clunky and slow, much more deliberate than the elegance of a dodge roll. Besides, both classes have this option. My recent solution is the revised Meridia's Blessed Armor on the back bar, which works a treat on magblade and leaves me without having to invest into stamina regen. Again, though, it's indicative of the compromises you have to make on magblade.
ZOS: URGENT PLEA ABOUT ABUSIVE COMMENTS on ZONE CHAT ...extremely upsetting.
Zos team please adress this issue. I am a woman who loves playing eso and have been subbed for 5 plus years now and today zone chat crossed a line for me.
In a generation that is so dead set on treating people equally THIS abuse is unacceptable. I reported these players.
I had to be subjected to a tirade of disgustg, hurtful and derrogative comments about my gender. I cant imagine what negative effects it could have on younger girls.
The comments were extremely graphic about women's private parts.
Yes i can turn off zone chat but why cant i enjoy the nicer side of my eso community? These players are on ignore after being reported but they will do it again if you stop. That level of hatred towards females feels like violence and it seriously brought me to tears.
This is unfair and unacceptable. I always treat everyone with respect. I did not ay anything to them i just reported them.
Ty for reading. 😢❤
Also i need to say there are a lot nicer people in our eso community all genders afcourse....i want to protect our amazing eso community by reporting these disgusting few that think its ok to behave like that on zone chat
This occured in rivenspire zone chat 10 mins ago
Edited due to my many typos as i was upset at the time. Thank you to all that have been supportive.
In a generation that is so dead set on treating people equally THIS abuse is unacceptable. I reported these players.
I had to be subjected to a tirade of disgustg, hurtful and derrogative comments about my gender. I cant imagine what negative effects it could have on younger girls.
The comments were extremely graphic about women's private parts.
Yes i can turn off zone chat but why cant i enjoy the nicer side of my eso community? These players are on ignore after being reported but they will do it again if you stop. That level of hatred towards females feels like violence and it seriously brought me to tears.
This is unfair and unacceptable. I always treat everyone with respect. I did not ay anything to them i just reported them.
Ty for reading. 😢❤
Also i need to say there are a lot nicer people in our eso community all genders afcourse....i want to protect our amazing eso community by reporting these disgusting few that think its ok to behave like that on zone chat
This occured in rivenspire zone chat 10 mins ago
Edited due to my many typos as i was upset at the time. Thank you to all that have been supportive.
Re: Got crown scammed
solidstate77ub17_ESO wrote: »Got crown scammed for 900k back in March. Sent screenshots of scammer's username and character name in a ticket. I thought that was the worst of it. I thought Zos had my back. To this day absolutely zero gold has been returned to me by customer support. Well, I refuse to play a game, much less give them my hard-earned money, when they don't even care enough to see to it that you are made whole after an incident like this. They don't even give you closure. They say, "We'll recover your stolen items if we can"(but we won't tell you when we decide not to). And by the way, we won't be communicating with you about our actions against the offender.
According to your previous topic you were scammed for the first time on 23rd July.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/538677/got-scammed-crowns-today-for-the-first-time#latest
I'm not sure we have the full story here.
Re: Fengrush was 100% right about the cross healing being one of the contributors to lag in Cyrodiil.
Aww so cross heal is an issue because those heals save many casuals and solos from their small ball-group...! Cross heal is an issue, big groups were an issue, AOE Caps were an issue... Anything that doesn't fit their style or counters it, is an issue! What's even worse they want to force everybody into small groups too.
Re: Vampire stages still work the wrong way.
The entire vampire thing is completely fubard. I don't understand how a "talented" group of game devs can get things so wrong, especially when they have lore to draw from. It's not that hard, the vampire stuff writes itself. Go figure.
