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Re: Fengrush was 100% right about the cross healing being one of the contributors to lag in Cyrodiil.
@relentless_turnip
comparing the TAB target compat from WoW to the "action-combat" of ESO is kinda comparing apples to pears... besides that, "I think all skills need looking at and made single target where possible." does not work in ESO, since everything that affects someone besides you is categorized as AOE (cooldowns week one and two). and healing that only affects yourself is just flawed since it renders healers beyond useless in any environment... besides that, in WoW there are spells like tranquility, prayer of healing etc. which are clearly AoE, so its not all single target as you stated. such skills are essential to the role of a healer.
im not saying there should not be targetet healing in ESO, i kinda like the target heal from wardens, but there also needs to be some AoE for healers.
comparing the TAB target compat from WoW to the "action-combat" of ESO is kinda comparing apples to pears... besides that, "I think all skills need looking at and made single target where possible." does not work in ESO, since everything that affects someone besides you is categorized as AOE (cooldowns week one and two). and healing that only affects yourself is just flawed since it renders healers beyond useless in any environment... besides that, in WoW there are spells like tranquility, prayer of healing etc. which are clearly AoE, so its not all single target as you stated. such skills are essential to the role of a healer.
im not saying there should not be targetet healing in ESO, i kinda like the target heal from wardens, but there also needs to be some AoE for healers.
Re: Please give us back Rapid Maneuver!
Nobody likes to go backwards. If you're used to cooking with electricity, you shouldn't have to have your power turned off and be given a pile of wood and some matches to cook with just because someone felt the power would be more useful for somebody's washing machine. Why not share the power and make everyone happy?
Define "everyone".
In your analogy, you and your neighbour are happy if you share the power, but not the power company which earns less money by issuing one shared bill than issuing two separate bills.
Re: At least kiss me before you..
While removing cross healing might seem reasonable on the paper, it seems that it really won't translate into actual gameplay similarly.
Like some people mentioned, not everyone has to, or, can be in a group at all times. There are times, when groups are full, there are times you don't agree with the tactics of a particular group and want to run solo for a while, or, you may be simply not feeling comfortable leading a group yourself when all the groups out there are full. That is punishing players needlessly.
I personally don't play any healer, nor do I feel uncomfortable leading groups. On the contrary, I (used to) lead groups, even randoms quite often and regularly. But leading can be tiresome at times. And in times like that, I sometimes run solo, too.
I haven't played in months due to various reasons, and I don't play healer anyway. But, I just wanted to say that this doesn't look fair or well thought of. The problem seems more a code/resources-related issue, rather than mechanics/play style-related.
Like some people mentioned, not everyone has to, or, can be in a group at all times. There are times, when groups are full, there are times you don't agree with the tactics of a particular group and want to run solo for a while, or, you may be simply not feeling comfortable leading a group yourself when all the groups out there are full. That is punishing players needlessly.
I personally don't play any healer, nor do I feel uncomfortable leading groups. On the contrary, I (used to) lead groups, even randoms quite often and regularly. But leading can be tiresome at times. And in times like that, I sometimes run solo, too.
I haven't played in months due to various reasons, and I don't play healer anyway. But, I just wanted to say that this doesn't look fair or well thought of. The problem seems more a code/resources-related issue, rather than mechanics/play style-related.
Re: Magsorc : Familiar or Surge+boundless or matriarch
Orb and two pets is redundant. Keep the twilight and either kick the scamp or the orb, freeing up a slot for Surge. You only need Surge, Boundless is not needed. In group play you should have a healer and can replace Surge with Bound Aegis or Inner light. Or drop Medusa for Mother's Sorrow and slot Channeled Acceleration.
Don't drop orb, that's a terrible idea.
The Dark Passions Regalia and Undyeable Parts.
I believed I could fix this fashion disaster of an outfit with a good dye scheme, but to my dismay the gold metal is undyeable.
My best attempt so far.
On the Vampire Noble outfit you let us dye the metal claws ZOS but why not here with this outfit? It really messed up all the ideas I had and makes certaint dye schemes just not work since you have this bright gold all over it!
My best attempt so far.
On the Vampire Noble outfit you let us dye the metal claws ZOS but why not here with this outfit? It really messed up all the ideas I had and makes certaint dye schemes just not work since you have this bright gold all over it!
Re: ZOS: URGENT PLEA ABOUT ABUSIVE COMMENTS on ZONE CHAT ...extremely upsetting.
I support discussion of this topic on the forums, and I'm glad that the OP put this here. Bringing this behavior to light in a social forum is important to reinforcing empathy and understanding of how forms of discrimination have a real world effect on the game's participants.
I saw a bunch of sexist garbage in Elsweyr zone chat yesterday, but to be perfectly honest I didn't report it and just ignored it because it takes too much effort to actually screenshot the entire conversation, log and/or figure out player names, and then organize and submit all of that content. If I did that every time I saw something offensive, I'd be doing it all day instead of playing. So, ZOS, one suggestion for feedback - make this process simpler.
Another observation I have is that despite the fact that some words have clearly been filtered out for guild, player, and user names, some stuff weirdly appears to get through. I saw someone with an obvious racial slur embedded in their player name the other day. How can that be allowed to even happen? How did that name even get into the system in the first place?
We have free speech in the US. People can say what they want and be as offensive as they want as long as they are not violating the civil rights of others. However, I can say with fair confidence that the leadership of many major global companies are really focusing on discriminatory problems that exist in the US and elsewhere, and tackling hate speech is a part of that, because the speech reflects ideas that, although allowable to have, are unacceptable to express because they reinforce the biases that lay beneath and drive actual discrimination. If ZOS wants to have a player community that is inclusive and accepting of all people, they need to have the necessary management tools and a clear expression of intent that prevents hate speech and the expression of discrimination or violence against a particular demographic subset of the population. I think the TOS does the latter part pretty well, but the actual implementation of their intent is where things fall short - and I think that's what this thread is about.
I saw a bunch of sexist garbage in Elsweyr zone chat yesterday, but to be perfectly honest I didn't report it and just ignored it because it takes too much effort to actually screenshot the entire conversation, log and/or figure out player names, and then organize and submit all of that content. If I did that every time I saw something offensive, I'd be doing it all day instead of playing. So, ZOS, one suggestion for feedback - make this process simpler.
Another observation I have is that despite the fact that some words have clearly been filtered out for guild, player, and user names, some stuff weirdly appears to get through. I saw someone with an obvious racial slur embedded in their player name the other day. How can that be allowed to even happen? How did that name even get into the system in the first place?
We have free speech in the US. People can say what they want and be as offensive as they want as long as they are not violating the civil rights of others. However, I can say with fair confidence that the leadership of many major global companies are really focusing on discriminatory problems that exist in the US and elsewhere, and tackling hate speech is a part of that, because the speech reflects ideas that, although allowable to have, are unacceptable to express because they reinforce the biases that lay beneath and drive actual discrimination. If ZOS wants to have a player community that is inclusive and accepting of all people, they need to have the necessary management tools and a clear expression of intent that prevents hate speech and the expression of discrimination or violence against a particular demographic subset of the population. I think the TOS does the latter part pretty well, but the actual implementation of their intent is where things fall short - and I think that's what this thread is about.
Re: The Dark Passions Regalia and Undyeable Parts.
I understand only getting 3 dye channels on each piece, but why must something always be un-dyeable? Either trim (and very few costumes have SILVER trim), or a sash, or jewelry etc. I may not want giant red stones and bright gold on the Nibense Noble gown but that's what I'm stuck with. Same for that blah sash on the Budi Shirt and Galligaskins. Nice bight top/pants with dull brown waist.
It's very frustrating.
It's very frustrating.
Re: Fengrush was 100% right about the cross healing being one of the contributors to lag in Cyrodiil.
relentless_turnip wrote: »relentless_turnip wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »relentless_turnip wrote: »i canot, under any circumstance, forward this opinion...
It renders Healers and support Roles utterly useless in Cyrodil. i repeat myself here, but it seems not everyone of the DD players (no offense) understands, how tremendous this impacts the rest of the viable options in PVP...
With less cross healing it also makes your role more important and sought after to anyone who knows what they're doing. I do appreciate it makes joining in less of a casual undertaking than someone just doing damage.
I would predict that if this was a permanent change then we would see group building become more important over time. It is just a numbers game at the moment and totally indescriminate. What I'm saying is the net effect will most likely be that support roles become more important, not less.
No group relies on ungrouped PuG healers so there isn't going to be a greater demand for their role. If I'm running solo, I'm running solo and it's not like I'm gonna all of a sudden put LF healer in zone chat to play.
All this change will do is force people who don't necessarily want to group or just want to hop in for an hour or so to group up just to play, which is not only dumb and constraining, but goes completely against the supposed mantra of "play as you want." If ZOS made it so DPS could not damage enemy players unless they were grouped, 95% of the people who support this change would immediately say no way.
The change would also undeniably strengthen the organized groups that people claim to hate and claim to want to see nerfed. If the PuGs can;t heal each other, they stand zero chance unless stacking in ridiculous numbers.
And even if you want to force PuGs to just randomly group up simply to get heals, it will still create idiotic situations where if one group is getting destroyed on a keep flag, their teammates from a different group still can;t support them. It's no longer AvAvA, it's just a glorified battleground with allies who are just in the wayAlso in any battle scenario would a medic heal 100 people or is it more likely they were responsible for a smaller group? Say 12?
If people couldn't do damage outside of a group then yes everyone would be upset. That is because the over arching point of any PvP scenario is to kill your enemy. Support roles are exactly that... Support. If you have a healer and your enemy doesn't you are at major advantage. Arguing they are the same is redundant in my opinion...
You act like there is nothing in between solo and group. Even in a duo you can take a much larger group. In a group of 24 you don't need healers as much because off all the cross healing, when you lose half of that it is noticible and roles become more important. Would you need healers in a trial if you could take 24 people and everyone was casting aoe heals?
This is a great question. Besides the fact that one player cannot actually have heals going on 100 characters at the same time, but a wise and well-trained medic with 100 soldiers in their sight will not restrict themselves, nor be restricted. to the small group they are attached to. They will heal any and all allies based on the training they have received.
@relentless_turnip I might have missed it but I answered your question yet have not seen you address it since it does throw a stone into your argument.
No worries @idk I wasn't ignoring it 😂 the issue you raise is also my counter point to someone else's point. You are not a medic choosing to help any of the 100 men in your area, you are medic continuously throwing bandages in the air in hope they land on the right person. I cannot heal the person in front of me, despite my efforts and everytime the heal misses but gives
This is merely due to the design of combat in this game. Further, you can heal the person in front of you by using a heal that only casts in front of you. We have heals that only go out in one direction in the shape of a cone and they work well. It is also a really bad idea to make it so one cannot heal an ally which seems to be what you are suggesting.
In fact, any suggestion of only being able to heal those in our group would make some heals completely useless at times. Further, I can imagine a healer riding back to the battle to join their group and comes across another big battle and is virtually useless because someone decided they should not be able to heal people on their team. Brilliant.
We might as well abandon alliances and make PvP a free for all if they are to start leaning towards being meaningless which would be the case if we cannot heal our allies. I care about the team.
I think the point you made in the second paragraph is a very good one. I can only imagine how defeated I would feel if I couldn't help my allies spontaneously like in the example you gave.
I have also stated that simply a much smaller radius would be appropriate, but I think controlling how many people are healing in one area is also important. I am of course talking specifically about ballgroups here and how the style of gameplay needs deterring short term. The four or so people spamming rapids in said ballgroup and causing four radius checks over 30 or so feet a second needs addressing.
The option to switch off buff sharing is still a good idea imo even if it has nothing to do with grouping.
Re: Official Discussion Thread for "Dig up Bonus Rewards during the Lost Treasures of Skyrim Event"
Yes, thank you ZOS for this event and the antiquity house as the prize!
I also appreciate the new motifs and furnishing plans that are making their way into guild traders now. I did not have much luck myself even though I got tons of purple loot boxes but it will help lower the prices of ones I have to buy.
I also appreciate the new motifs and furnishing plans that are making their way into guild traders now. I did not have much luck myself even though I got tons of purple loot boxes but it will help lower the prices of ones I have to buy.
Re: Fengrush was 100% right about the cross healing being one of the contributors to lag in Cyrodiil.
relentless_turnip wrote: »relentless_turnip wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »relentless_turnip wrote: »i canot, under any circumstance, forward this opinion...
It renders Healers and support Roles utterly useless in Cyrodil. i repeat myself here, but it seems not everyone of the DD players (no offense) understands, how tremendous this impacts the rest of the viable options in PVP...
With less cross healing it also makes your role more important and sought after to anyone who knows what they're doing. I do appreciate it makes joining in less of a casual undertaking than someone just doing damage.
I would predict that if this was a permanent change then we would see group building become more important over time. It is just a numbers game at the moment and totally indescriminate. What I'm saying is the net effect will most likely be that support roles become more important, not less.
No group relies on ungrouped PuG healers so there isn't going to be a greater demand for their role. If I'm running solo, I'm running solo and it's not like I'm gonna all of a sudden put LF healer in zone chat to play.
All this change will do is force people who don't necessarily want to group or just want to hop in for an hour or so to group up just to play, which is not only dumb and constraining, but goes completely against the supposed mantra of "play as you want." If ZOS made it so DPS could not damage enemy players unless they were grouped, 95% of the people who support this change would immediately say no way.
The change would also undeniably strengthen the organized groups that people claim to hate and claim to want to see nerfed. If the PuGs can;t heal each other, they stand zero chance unless stacking in ridiculous numbers.
And even if you want to force PuGs to just randomly group up simply to get heals, it will still create idiotic situations where if one group is getting destroyed on a keep flag, their teammates from a different group still can;t support them. It's no longer AvAvA, it's just a glorified battleground with allies who are just in the wayAlso in any battle scenario would a medic heal 100 people or is it more likely they were responsible for a smaller group? Say 12?
If people couldn't do damage outside of a group then yes everyone would be upset. That is because the over arching point of any PvP scenario is to kill your enemy. Support roles are exactly that... Support. If you have a healer and your enemy doesn't you are at major advantage. Arguing they are the same is redundant in my opinion...
You act like there is nothing in between solo and group. Even in a duo you can take a much larger group. In a group of 24 you don't need healers as much because off all the cross healing, when you lose half of that it is noticible and roles become more important. Would you need healers in a trial if you could take 24 people and everyone was casting aoe heals?
This is a great question. Besides the fact that one player cannot actually have heals going on 100 characters at the same time, but a wise and well-trained medic with 100 soldiers in their sight will not restrict themselves, nor be restricted. to the small group they are attached to. They will heal any and all allies based on the training they have received.
@relentless_turnip I might have missed it but I answered your question yet have not seen you address it since it does throw a stone into your argument.
No worries @idk I wasn't ignoring it 😂 the issue you raise is also my counter point to someone else's point. You are not a medic choosing to help any of the 100 men in your area, you are medic continuously throwing bandages in the air in hope they land on the right person. I cannot heal the person in front of me, despite my efforts and everytime the heal misses but gives
This is merely due to the design of combat in this game. Further, you can heal the person in front of you by using a heal that only casts in front of you. We have heals that only go out in one direction in the shape of a cone and they work well. It is also a really bad idea to make it so one cannot heal an ally which seems to be what you are suggesting.
In fact, any suggestion of only being able to heal those in our group would make some heals completely useless at times. Further, I can imagine a healer riding back to the battle to join their group and comes across another big battle and is virtually useless because someone decided they should not be able to heal people on their team. Brilliant.
We might as well abandon alliances and make PvP a free for all if they are to start leaning towards being meaningless which would be the case if we cannot heal our allies. I care about the team.
Part of me thinks the balance lies somewhere in the middle. Already stated it, but I love the gameplay of this week (essentially, selfish heals week). I generally don't group, but I do rely on heals (rapid regen) that are part of the problem, as they can go anywhere (randomly) for 28 meters. I felt like I received a pretty hefty buff to be honest, and never once was in a group this week.
I do acknowledge that it leaves pure healer builds in a pretty bad spot outside a group. I would not be opposed to leaving a handful of skills, looking at things like cone shapped heals, maybe ground based heals like springs or certain ultimates, as able to go to an ally outside a group, but the vast majority of them should not (both for gameplay and performance).
Honestly, I am a believer that any of the trinity roles (tank healer DPS) only make sense in a group. So if you want to play solo, you probably shouldnt go all in on any of them. If the playstyle of a zerg surfing rapid regen spammer is eliminated, I am okay with it.
This is certainly the best performance of any of the test weeks. Not saying it was perfect, but every time it got really bad, there was a ball group in the area. Ball groups are the elephant in the room. As much fun as they can be, the server simply cant handle them.
