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Re: Proc sets need to be adjusted before the end of the PTS cycle.
I do not use Venomouse or another dot one set.
But why they are not a problem for me ?
May be you say about new players that do not play right, but really you do not play well ?
I am not a Top pvp player, but i have no problem with this sets, and i do not use them, where i do wrong ?
What i need to do to be killed by proc sets ?
Come on pc EU and play bgs here, high or low mmr doesn't matter.
The second you poke your head out of line of sight you will be peppered with 6-7 dot procs from multiple people.
And why they may not kill you, once you actually start fighting people and they deal Damage to you with their skills, those 4-5k dots per second eating most of your healing will quickly become an issue.
This is no cp after all, very few classes have even decent healing here.
Also the dmg these sets do isn't the only issue, it's also ease of application.
There is a reason why we don't see sets like widow maker or pillar of nirn used as much as something like sheer venom or syvarras scales.
The latter sets are far easier to apply, and a lot of players spend entire matches just dotting people up.
So it comes down to these sets applying far too much pressure for too little investment/risk, and then combine it with the relatively low healing in no cp, and you have the meta we are in right now.
Also most sources of cleanses are pathetically weak compared to the dot sets.
Re: Proc sets need to be adjusted before the end of the PTS cycle.
Atherakhia wrote: »Recapitated wrote: »Recapitated wrote: »Nah, if anything buff proc set, way to much set in this game are useless, make them all viable.
Cool, let's make Adept Rider instakill players whenever you roll your reticle over them; the game will make no sense but those who don't quit won't have to cope with all these useless sets -- and isn't that what matters in the end?
There's no sense in using Sheer Venom in PVE. You can, and you'll be doing pretty bad, and I guess if for some reason you were doing that and Sheer Venom gets nerfed you'll be doing worse. So what? Does every set have to be viable in PVE? I don't get it, it's like if Siroria was overperforming in PVE and anytime someone asked to nerf it I were like "Well I like to be wearing Siroria when I die in BGs so don't touch it, possibly just delete PVE"
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Doesn't matter what you said, PvP is and always have been a mess.
But it can and has gotten worse, which means it can get better. That's the thing, there's mess as in Greymoor, mess as in Stonethorn, and mess as in Markarth — none of those may be to your liking but others might find some patches playable and some patches not.
People who think PVP is irredeemable anyway have no business commenting on balance between patches — especially if they oppose any possible change even though it's demonstrably false that it will affect PVE. That's what actually "doesn't matter" here — this discussion has no effect on PVE.
The problem is the proc sets are probably the least of the problem where PvP is concerned. How about the servers simply not working so you literally can't PvP? How about how not one of the tests they did had any noticeable improvement on performance while they were going on and they've provided no feedback on any of the tests so far? How about overall class balance being non-existant and how this has been Elder Stamina Online for a year (or more)?
Proc sets aren't even on the radar for why PvP is a 'mess'.
You couldn't be further away from truth.
Performance has been a stable thing in making PvP less enjoyable but overperforming things have changed over the years and right now procs are a huge issue again.
To make matters worse procs make lag even worse.
Can't use skills due to lag? Well no problem your procs will still deal damage for you while the enemy can't react to them because his healing skills aren't going off.
Want to play a build that can kill stuff easily at the cost of some survivability and die over and over again because you couldn't react to things due to lag?
No problemo señor slap on procs and build tanky and you have much more time to react to things and be less vulnerable to lag
Procs make the game unfun to play when there's no lag and they make the game even worse when it's laggy, all they do is ruin the fun for everyone not using them.
Re: Proc sets need to be adjusted before the end of the PTS cycle.
People must be playing a different no cp to me. I'd agree that malacath probably needs nerfing - it seems way overpowered for 1 item, all benefit no downside with procs - but if you take that out of the occasion, I don't see the issue with proc sets. A decent player is just going to purge or outheal them - or going to be be tanky enough in the first place. If you're wandering round cyro in your pve gear, fine, I get it, but well, it is pvp....
Ultimately they're just a different approach that bring a lot of variety to the game, to builds. Sure, non proc set users don't like them. But then, soloers don't like zergs, zergs hate ball groups, groups hate gankers etc etc etc Everyone's desperate to nerf every one else's build - but don't seem to get that, taken to it's logical conclusion, everyone's going to look just like them. People keep going down this road calling for nerfs, cyro's going to become a very boring place
I can put on sheer venom and syvarra on a stamblade with no malacath and still walk away with millions of dmg every bg, while passively getting kills.
Procsets are an issue, and malacath is making them worse, but for example on pc EU BGs were always a procfest.
It's really a combination of grossly overbuffed sets, nerfed healing and malacath.
And all 3 are an issue.
Not everyone wants to play a 40k hp sword and board warden just to outheal the dots you know.
Re: My opinion on the OLORIME and SPELL POWER CURE changes. (critique and suggestions)
If you start arguing like that, we can swing the nerf hammer for lots of non-raid sets....is worse than a set from an easy dungeon...
can we get some more hairstyles with good volumes and non flat?
this is an issue with many long hairs in game. they're like really flat on the top, and lack volume, everybody looks like they just went out of water. what about bigger hairstyles?, well made afros, wavy hair, sexy long hair, etc. I've seen some of the newer ones and they do look a bit better on this, like the new female viking one, but still it's just a few options.
I hope for the future we get more interesting hairstyles for males and females, short and long
I hope for the future we get more interesting hairstyles for males and females, short and long
Re: I'm all for changing Oblivion's Foe....but the proposed version is back to being a trap?
I would say this is new garbage set.
Tbh, we need more experienced game developers.
I hope MS could do something with this team.
Depends, if you were using soul splitting trap before its definetly a nerf, but to be real the set needed it.
I know multiple ppl by name who spend entire bgs just putting soul trap and brp impulse on ppl and then cloak or streak away.
They end up getting lots of kills and assists passively, and run exactly 0 risk.
Don't get me wrong there are a lot of stamblades that do the same with Stam dot procs and those sets need to be toned down as well, period.
I'm actually surprised that this set is the first one on the chopping block as Stam procs are still far more prevalent.
Re: ESO Gruppenspiel und Fake Tanks/Heiler
dinosaurier520 wrote: »...vielleicht sollte man zukünftige Spieler als erstes dem Test unterziehen, der ihre Tauglichkeit für ein MMO sicherstellt.
Ich denke mal, dass das nicht im Interesse von Microsoft/Zenimax liegt.
Ein in der Entwicklung derart teures/aufwändiges Spiel kann nicht nur von ein paar Powergamern finanziert werden.
Nur Attraktivität für mehrere Spielertypen (etwa auch Rollenspieler und Casual-Gamer) machen diesen Aufwand bezahlt.
Wohl einige Millionen Casualgamer finanzieren so auch Euren Spielspaß mit.
Baut da mehr Hürden ein, wird's Abo (sofern ihr überhaupt eins habt) für Euch teurer oder beim Content muss gespart werden.
Re: Proc sets need to be adjusted before the end of the PTS cycle.
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Without trying to be condescending, you seem to speak in the context of someone who doesn't regularly PvP. I do regularly PvP and the issue is they are more viable than skills. I can't out heal these procs on most my classes and I don't mean one person I mean in a big fight. One v one no there not that bad, but it is still optimal to tank up with 30k+ health and wear 3-4 proc sets.
The issue is as well is the amount of proc stacking there is. In a large fight you are getting hit by proc constantly, whether the player intends to hit you with them or not. They stack on your character endlessly... When everyone was using skills, you may occasionally get overwhelmed by dots, but nothing to the degree it is now. They need to be less viable than they are now.[/quote]
I certainly wouldn't claim to be an expert PVP'r. But I'm in Cyro most days for several hours. I get they can be irritating, but I think people are overstating the issue. And like I say, I'd hardly claim to be an expert pvp'r. If you're getting hit my multiple players multiple times, may be it's time to shift tactics. If they weren't hitting you with VS, they'd be hitting you with something else...
It may of course be that this is something peculiar to battlegrounds - that's not something I really do or can speak about. But I wonder, perhaps, if this is really about the people who see themselves as elite players not liking sets that allow people they see as perhaps less skilled to get kills. I.e. it's the vets complaining that zos is "lowering the skill level" again. I'm not saying that there isn't a valid complaint there - I can see it from both sides - but I do think that's a slightly wider debate - and we should be honest about what the real issue is.
Without trying to be condescending, you seem to speak in the context of someone who doesn't regularly PvP. I do regularly PvP and the issue is they are more viable than skills. I can't out heal these procs on most my classes and I don't mean one person I mean in a big fight. One v one no there not that bad, but it is still optimal to tank up with 30k+ health and wear 3-4 proc sets.
The issue is as well is the amount of proc stacking there is. In a large fight you are getting hit by proc constantly, whether the player intends to hit you with them or not. They stack on your character endlessly... When everyone was using skills, you may occasionally get overwhelmed by dots, but nothing to the degree it is now. They need to be less viable than they are now.[/quote]
I certainly wouldn't claim to be an expert PVP'r. But I'm in Cyro most days for several hours. I get they can be irritating, but I think people are overstating the issue. And like I say, I'd hardly claim to be an expert pvp'r. If you're getting hit my multiple players multiple times, may be it's time to shift tactics. If they weren't hitting you with VS, they'd be hitting you with something else...
It may of course be that this is something peculiar to battlegrounds - that's not something I really do or can speak about. But I wonder, perhaps, if this is really about the people who see themselves as elite players not liking sets that allow people they see as perhaps less skilled to get kills. I.e. it's the vets complaining that zos is "lowering the skill level" again. I'm not saying that there isn't a valid complaint there - I can see it from both sides - but I do think that's a slightly wider debate - and we should be honest about what the real issue is.
Re: Proc sets need to be adjusted before the end of the PTS cycle.
People must be playing a different no cp to me. I'd agree that malacath probably needs nerfing - it seems way overpowered for 1 item, all benefit no downside with procs - but if you take that out of the occasion, I don't see the issue with proc sets. A decent player is just going to purge or outheal them - or going to be be tanky enough in the first place. If you're wandering round cyro in your pve gear, fine, I get it, but well, it is pvp....
Ultimately they're just a different approach that bring a lot of variety to the game, to builds. Sure, non proc set users don't like them. But then, soloers don't like zergs, zergs hate ball groups, groups hate gankers etc etc etc Everyone's desperate to nerf every one else's build - but don't seem to get that, taken to it's logical conclusion, everyone's going to look just like them. People keep going down this road calling for nerfs, cyro's going to become a very boring place
I can put on sheer venom and syvarra on a stamblade with no malacath and still walk away with millions of dmg every bg, while passively getting kills.
Procsets are an issue, and malacath is making them worse, but for example on pc EU BGs were always a procfest.
It's really a combination of grossly overbuffed sets, nerfed healing and malacath.
And all 3 are an issue.
Not everyone wants to play a 40k hp sword and board warden just to outheal the dots you know.
I really am starting to think I'm playing a different game. I get hit by these pretty frequently; they're really not that big a deal. You certainly don't need to be a 40khp sword and board build to see one off. Just to give you a small eg of that, I took one of my toons into cyro yesterday to get rapids on them. My level 18 baby kitty cat to bee precise. Wearing white level 4 training armor. And yes, heading north out of Nikel some nb spams me with hunter's venom. I just roll dodged, put some line of sight between us... and kept running. Sure, it took some health off, but it's not going to kill me.
I think what's going on here is that, because these proc sets generate a lot of ticks, they're filling up people's death recaps and quite often scoring the killing blow. That's why you're getting loads of damage and kills in Bgs. Thing is, what actually did most of the damage to the guy is the couple of big smacks he got from the magsorc over the hill. Who's probably swearing about kill stealing NBs right now. The dots themselves are good - esp with malacarth - but they're not *that* powerful. They're just very visible, because they generate alot of ticks.