Oakensoul is not in balance w/PVP but could not stand in dark convergence shadow for being broken and has NO business in PVP whatsoever. However, Oakensoul is great for PVE and has helped me in vet level dungeons that I struggled with prior. Some set just needs to remain PVE only and not allowed in PVP like other games.

The buffs and ring are fine IMO i have tested 2 bar builds and can have win's and loses against oakensoul users still depends on class and sets they run with and rotation.like i say this is imo.i do think healing and many sets needs adjusting if the ring remains UN changed which it should.

Personally, I think removing major heroism and major berserk will fix the issues. I said it during PTS… the version of the ring that eventually went live was stronger than what it was originally.

Major Heroism has got to go from this Ring, you cannot defend this buff, it's outrageously overperforming.

Major heroism and force should be minor.

AdamLAD wrote: »

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Simmering Frenzy wasn't nerfed before.

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The truth is that gear carries everyone. From 12 person ball groups to 4 person small mans to tower humpers to bombers to gankers to to 1vXers to zerg surfers. It's all about gear, always has been. Even in no proc, it is still about the gear. There are lots of gear combos out there that are OP. As long as when we PvP our stats are not all identical because of gear set ups, it will always be about the gear, and what you can come up with to modify your character in the most beneficial way to your playstyle.

I have died to all of those things that you are criticizing, and it feels no different than dying to ball group or solo bombs. It feels no different than dying to some person who you can't dent, runs forever, then turns around and 1 taps you. It feels no different than dying to any of these groups and their "comps". It's always been about the gear.

I find it refreshing to finally have some gear that threatens these players who have been using gear to dominate for years. I say let it ride for a while. If everyone starts using it across all of those group combinations en masse then it needs to be looked at, but if most people are still preferring 2 bar builds then this is just a niche set up that has its own big down side.

You have to build for burst damage, pressure damage, stuns, soft cc, speed, offensive utli, defensive ulti, snare removal, hots, burst heals, etc. It is a lot easier to build for all of that with a 2 bar build. 1 bar builds have to make significant sacrifices with 5 abilities and 1 ultimate. There is no way they can cover all of those bases, and they need to figure out which sacrifices they want to make.

I am finding the whole thing quite interesting, and refreshing. So I won't vote for any of the choices given, because it is too early for me to say whether it is balanced or not. We will see how it evolves, if people gravitate toward it long term, or if they try it out and move on because they want more well rounded characters which they can get with 2 bar builds.

Firstmep wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

AdamLAD wrote: »

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Simmering Frenzy wasn't nerfed before.

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Shimmering Frenzy bankers were made of paper and would die 1 hit most of time , since they usually kept their hp low for the pen bonus.
Oaken gives permanent major protection.
Kind of a big differnce.

Only for melee ganks. Ranged ganks were fine with simmering.

However, even without this ring, people will cause massive damage and people will complain about it. People were complaining about how "op" DKs were even before the ring was released. I believe there will always be something for them to make a fuss about. So, in the end, no matter what Zos does, people will never be truly happy. People will find something new to grumble about even if the ring is changed.

Please know this is not meant to offend anyone. Everyone, in my opinion, has the right to express themselves. I'm just pointing out that in my two years of playing this game, I've seen a slew of forum posts like this. At this point, nerf is the equivalence to cancel culture.

All they gotta do is add - You Do 10% less damage to enemy players, and it can still be usable but nerfs your dmg.

DaisyRay wrote: »

I was initially opposed to the nerf because, after testing it myself, I didn't notice any significant changes in my fighting. I'm still killing and dying at the same rate. I just have more sustain and my ultimate comes faster. (I didn't realize this until I needed to use negate on some ball groups.)

However, after hearing IsThereNoOneElse (I butchered his name, I'm sure) fully break it down, I believe the up time and some of the buffs do provide a considerable advantage. It may not be noticeable to me, but skilled players who are very good at pvp can most likely use this to completely overwhelm others. I still believe that if you are an equally good player, you will win, but the facts are the facts. This is not a fair ring.

It's sad because I believe it's a bittersweet situation. I would prefer that it remain the same, but I understand why it should be changed. I'll keep it, though. The ring has allowed me to concentrate on fighting rather than remembering to flip bars for defense while trying to simultaneously return to my attack bar. After the nerf, I'll simply adjust my sets and skills to fix anything I'm missing.

On the other hand, I believe the majority of those complaining are the ones frustrated that they can no longer obliterate new or pug groups as easily as they used to. This is probably why there is so much push back on the nerf. While I don't mind dying in pvp (so long as it isn't a ball group), I think others get frustrated when skilled players go after weaker targets. I recently created a new character for storage and decided to try pvp. I've seen people completely ignore other players to chase down me because they assumed I was new. If the ring keeps its defense buffs, I believe it will be very balanced. The ring can then simply replace your defense bar while keeping your main bar free for mostly attacks. I'm just throwing out random thoughts.

I don't watch a lot of videos but I saw istherenooneelse's brokensoul vids: If people don't know, he is the best healer in the game!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F53Lrl9PpVY

the item itself is kinda balanced. it just overlights game's brokenpoints.

As far as i'm concerned i would rahter have a ring that grants all major/minor defensive buffs and prevents you from benefiting from any offensive buff, and another that grants all major/minor offensive buffs and prevents you from getting any defensive buff.
both stucking you into 1bar playstyle.

even then some classes with "do everything" skills will keep on rulling but it'll have some downside at least.

i mean, being stuck to one bar when you have a skill that deals sitload of dmg and heal, or teleports you+dmg+unblockableCC and others i wont list being stuck to one bar isnt a real downside.

actually, with that ring you barely need 1stamable + 1 burst or delayed skill to kill most ppl. Add a CCult if you care but that's not mendatory, and all 3 other skills can be put in survival and that's it.

All in all, considering the entire game, it's not the most broken thing running these days. therefor i feel like it's balanced.

it's (purposefully) unbalanced with the very intent to sell an unpopular DLC
launch day everyone was farming for leads instead of doing quests in high isle. (good for you if you were one of the people questing or playing the card game and having fun, no one is wanting you to have LESS fun.)

either way it's a given that it *will* get nerfed (whether YOU think it's op or not) to make room to sell the next $40 mythic. if you DON'T agree with it, STOP playing the game and STOP paying for it, you're literally signalling for AAA devs that it's perfectly fine for them to do that and that they can easily get away with putting less and less effort to make money

ZOS as a company with shareholders is LEGALLY forced to move towards decision that profit the most with the least amount of effort necessary, and that's exactly what they'll do. period.