Ya it sick, Zeni uses there money to make an awesome game and they expect us to pay to play it. They keep dumping more money into new content and expect us to pay for that as well. This cycle needs to end. Business making money should not be a thing. Should all be charity work.

SaraMoonandStar wrote: »

I don't understand the people who are arguing with my post tbh. If you don't own ALL the DLCs or don't have an ESO plus sub, you can't get the gear or the new content. The new gear is obviously BIS because everyone I have spoken to is going to incorporate them in either PVE or PVP raids.

In addition, lag is currently so bad it makes PVE trials and PVP raids unplayable at primetime, yet instead of addressing those issues, ZOS is pushing out another chapter. Who are you guys arguing FOR? Im trying to say the company should offer a discount, why all the hate?

I know so many people who are out of work because of this virus, stuck at home because of forced quarantines, who have been loyal customers to ZOS for years. My point here is that it IS a HARDER time for MOST people right now and a company should consider doing whatever they can to help. If that means offering discounts because people cant afford their stuff or deferred payments then that should be ok for me, a customer, to request.

Assuming you are a PC player and a discount is what you need have you even tried searching for other alternative websites where you can buy Greymoor for a lot cheaper? A simple google search and some research on other vendors will lower your cost by 50%, for obvious reasons I am not going to list them here, but most of the people I play with have already bought it for a substantial discount/

And none of the end game PvE players I have spoken are incorporating any of the Mythic items into their builds, there is some research going on on Thrassian Stranglers but then again it's not worth it for most when you compare the additional cost it introduces. You are probably speaking to people that haven't researched any Mythic items, none of them are OP

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vamp_emily wrote: »

Zos has spent a lot of money creating the chapter; why should they give it away for free?

Maybe because their game has been running like crap? Sometimes when you don't get what you pay for companies issue recalls, refunds or give you a replacement. It is the cost of doing business.

If the game is running like crap the solution does not include ZOS giving you free stuff, the solution should include you not opening your wallet until the game is as per your satisfaction.

Or playing something else.

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

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Businesses in the entertainment sector exist primarily to make themselves rich, so they can buy nice, fast Ferraris or Lamborghinis.

Yes. Most of the money you spend on a video game will probably be going towards a sports car and a big house, not the game.

Like every other business in the Western World.
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It's not just in the Western world, it's every business everywhere. How many people in Venezuela are driving around in BMWs? Moscow? How about Iran? China? I could go on, but...

What's this? A corporation trying to make money? How shamless of them!

Like, what do you expect? Zenimax is running business, not charity (outside of occasional charity stream). Making payed products people get upset about not having is sort of the point. The end goal here isn't to make you (or anyone) happy, it is to make money. I'm not saying I agree with their whole bussines strategy (crown crates, aggressive marketing ...), but I can't fault them for not giving out stuff for free.

Is this game over-monetized? Sure. Is the crown store intrusive and somewhat exploitive? Definitely.

Is this game pay-to-win? No. New content being released is the game. These guys need to release content to make money so we can continue playing in this wonderful world. They're not selling items or power in the store. Every single MMO that releases new classes has to figure out how to balance that new class as time goes on. Furthermore, it's completely acceptable to be incentivized to play new content. Keeps the game fresh.

So out of everything going on in the world right now you thing you're owed discount or help for in game stuff from the developers/publushers?

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Can you have 2 mythic items on at the same time? If that is possible you could combine them nicely to make very good build. I mean most likely there will be builds that synergize great with each other and with some 3 or 5 piece sets. Maybe there are already some OP builds as I know some who have gone through intensive testing in PTS to optimize their builds. Some posted results are impressive.

Not sure how fast a big company reacts to the RL situation. Greymoor has been in the planning for a long time and I think the financial calculations have set their goals how much they need to make money to come clear and profit. Hopefully, they would take some concern over their customers and introduce something to all so none feel being left out. I think it would be a great touch on ZOS side.

SaraMoonandStar wrote: »

I don't understand the people who are arguing with my post tbh. If you don't own ALL the DLCs or don't have an ESO plus sub, you can't get the gear or the new content. The new gear is obviously BIS because everyone I have spoken to is going to incorporate them in either PVE or PVP raids.

In addition, lag is currently so bad it makes PVE trials and PVP raids unplayable at primetime, yet instead of addressing those issues, ZOS is pushing out another chapter. Who are you guys arguing FOR? Im trying to say the company should offer a discount, why all the hate?

I know so many people who are out of work because of this virus, stuck at home because of forced quarantines, who have been loyal customers to ZOS for years. My point here is that it IS a HARDER time for MOST people right now and a company should consider doing whatever they can to help. If that means offering discounts because people cant afford their stuff or deferred payments then that should be ok for me, a customer, to request.

1. the people who handle the networking of the game aren't making armor sets or developing the new content. If they stop putting out new content instead of silly posts like this we'll get "Ded Game, RIP zos" etc. You can certainly argue how well they're managing the performance fixes, but they can't stop putting out content or people will leave en masse.

2. The bonuses are nice, but every game or "free" thing that's been put out there has straight up been marketing. Companies don't really do charity. I don't mind because the net result is a positive, but I don't expect companies to do it.

3. Games are a nice way to pass the time in our current situation, but they are not essential services. The jewelry crafting and classes that have been added as well as the upcoming mythic items are not P2W. P2W is putting those mythic items on the crown store and making everything else so obviously worthless that the only path to progress or succeed is locked behind a purchase. I will grant that it's a fine line, but you can play with the base classes and complete content just fine.

4. You are absolutely correct that as a customer, you have a right to request/suggest something. ESO+ is not required to continue playing the game, nor will Greymoor be required to continue playing the game. Both are extras that you can choose to buy or not buy.

The last thing that I will add, is something I've not seen many folks mention but people seem to act like the day Greymoor drops the servers will be flooded with these mythic items and people using them. You cannot just go out and get this new item. Zos has done their best to make sure it's as much of a grind as possible. Mythic items are going to take awhile to acquire and while I'm sure there will be some folks who no life it to get their new shiny, they will be far from ubiquitous. I've tested these items some and they're not going to be some magical silver bullet. They are cool and I look forward to seeing what new builds come from having them in the ecosystem but they also come with costs. The gauntlets might feel like they're a 5pc bonus but by equipping them you lose another armor bonus as 3pc/2pc sets are not as strong as 5pc sets. If you feel you can't reasonably afford the new update, your best course of action will be to wait and get it when it inevitably goes on sale. I would note that Elsweyr first started going on sale maybe a month or two after its initial release.

As with all video games, people who want to play on day one pay the premium while those prepared to wait reap the savings.

SaraMoonandStar wrote: »

Hello. Ive been playing ESO since closed BETA. I have always purchased every chapter and have been an eso plus subscriber since eso plus came out. I think it is DISGUSTING that you are implementing a PAYWALL to be able to stay viable in this game. There is a worldwide pandemic going on, major companies across the world are offering discounts, deferred payments, and refunds to help people. Whereas here is ZOS, implementing new ways to make us pay them money to keep playing!

The new mythic sets/jewelry are obviously BIS but people who don't have the extra income or savings right now can't even afford to get them!!!! There wont be a way to compete without shelling out more money to your company!!! I think you guys should consider doing something to HELP people instead of thinking of ways to get more money from everyone who is already struggling and stuck at home.

Sara

Actually, I would argue that the biggest paywall to BIS gear is Wrothgar for vMSA weapons.... but the cool thing about ESO is you can still be competitive even if you just payed $10 for an ESO account on sale and bought nothing else. The mythic items are niche items that will be truly useful to a very select group of people. There is too much downside included with some of those items for most people.

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