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The Sorry State of Magicka Templars in PvP
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Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭just had some hate whispers this afternoon, because i healed, blocked and mistformed in a towerfight with 3 against me. i survived that and immediately got hate whispers, because mentioned things are everything i could do. the guy complained how OP magplar would be....he himself played a stamina warden and didnt understand, when i said, that i am very envy and really would like to have some of his tools. in the end the guy blocked me....
Stamwarden can do exactly what you did, only better:
- Bird of Prey gives exactly the same speed boost as Mist Form, but unlike magplars, they can also sprint and receive Vigor ticks while escaping
- Stamwardens can equip S&B too
- Stamwardens have a burst heal at least as powerful as Honor the Dead
Some people just don't understand class mechanics.
problem is, he can do it better, he has damn healing when attacking, healing when taking damage, hots and burst heal....and major mending.Edited by Checkmath on 23 April 2018 17:156 -
Stibbons✭✭✭✭✭TEMPLARS got even more nerfs!!! -10% crit heals, weaker breath of life and empowered change. Only got super expensive instant heal for pve/pvp that you cannot sustain. In pvp you will be defiled so you just cannot even heal anymore.
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Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Totally agree with OP - I can't even play magplar in this meta without Shacklebreaker, it's just too painful.
Channeled Focus needs a bit of a rework to provide magicka OR stamina each tick depending on which pool is most depleted. Also Repentance should be changed so that each body can be repented once BY EACH TEMPLAR. Then we'd be sitting pretty good.4 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Also as OP said, magplar is far too reliant on allies and is unnecessarily handicapped in solo play. One big reason for this is the design of Backlash. The stored damage should be changed to 40% of the Templar damage and 10% of allies' damage. This is the only way we will be able to properly burst an opponent while solo.3 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Totally agree with OP - I can't even play magplar in this meta without Shacklebreaker, it's just too painful.
Channeled Focus needs a bit of a rework to provide magicka OR stamina each tick depending on which pool is most depleted. Also Repentance should be changed so that each body can be repented once BY EACH TEMPLAR. Then we'd be sitting pretty good.
Shackle and ele drain are must haves.
Weapon is per build honestly. They all have clear weaknesses for each build sadly.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Nser✭✭✭yes templar class is sucks plus with spamm dps ability in pvp you can block while u using jabs this is the main.problem with the class for me1 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭What the heck is BoL/HTD now?
Its not even a gurantee heal for the caster, so in pvp my teamates steal heals from me.
In dungeons and trials there are less and less situations where i would choose it over healing springs.
ZoS has made it clear that healing ritual is the group heal but im confused what their stance is on rushed ceremony.
Its cheaper and its good for 1 target but if its meant to our defensive mechanic for small scale pvp, its just not good enough. As usual my templar just waves goodbye (casts rushed ceremony) a few times before dying.1 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Magica Templar is the worst class to play solo.
- Javelin is a terrible cc as it pushes away from you when your spammable is melee range
- Horrible gap closer. Again, apammable is melee range so you need to get in people's faces. The CC with it is actually a downside as I don't want to CC the guy at the start of a fight, I want to do some damage, CC, drop ultimate and then execute.
- Awful mobility. Yes, mag DK or Stam DK and stamplar not using bow suffer this too
- terrible ultimates. Nothing in the Templar skills hits hard enough, soul assault is channeled and meteor is a joke without and unblockable cc.
- The inability to switch from offence to defense instantly. Everyone else can pretty much do this in a heartbeat. On magplar, if you get stuck being deffensive while outnumbered, you're pretty much there until you rub out of resources and die. They have never real busrt window. This is a combination of bad ult choices, a channeled spammable and an execute that can be interrupted.
Magplar solo is just pointless. Two guys on you of a half decent skill level and it's so hard compared to other classes to win the fight.
Even as a healer in a group they're not great anymore. Warden has a better bust group heal (mushrooms hits 5 people as well as you for not much less than BOL hits one guy), has major mending fairly easily,, gives minor toughness to allies, can give your group major resistances, incredible ultimate gain as well as two solid group ults (trees is amazing for healing and permafrost is the difference in fights if used at the right time), has a super strong aoe healing debuff that also is a burst heal and has mobility so can move with the group efficiently. Sure, you don't have shards, but you do give sustain through mushroom heal and green balance passives. You lack purify, but to be honest, effecient purge is better in group fights as your DD don't have to worry about it - you purge while they keep on killing.Edited by Brrrofski on 26 April 2018 16:599 -
Blobsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭I honestly believe magplar to be the third easiest class in the game after stamwarden and stamnb, and ive only got 30 days gamplay compared to 500 magnb 100 magdk 60 magsorc 50 stamnb. The only struggle is bursting tanky targets becauase of the lack of a good ult. That, and make blazing spear cc againYt Channell: Blobsky
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Ron_Burgundy_79✭✭✭✭✭I honestly believe magplar to be the third easiest class in the game after stamwarden and stamnb, and ive only got 30 days gamplay compared to 500 magnb 100 magdk 60 magsorc 50 stamnb. The only struggle is bursting tanky targets becauase of the lack of a good ult. That, and make blazing spear cc again
BLAZING SPEAR CC
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grannas211✭✭✭✭✭
✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »healing class, suppose to heal people.
i don't understand why everyone think that templars are suppose to be massive worriers and kill everyone.
you guys are suppose to be healing people and healing your self.
that is your defense. your offence is suppose to be very weak.
that's the way it is in every single MMO ever made.
To be fair, they do seem to worry quite alot here on these forums1 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »healing class, suppose to heal people.
i don't understand why everyone think that templars are suppose to be massive worriers and kill everyone.
you guys are suppose to be healing people and healing your self.
that is your defense. your offence is suppose to be very weak.
that's the way it is in every single MMO ever made.
That's an opinion. My opinion is that every class should be able to fill every role. According to the devs, that was the goal to begin with.
Indeed, especially since all classes will be able to be eye to eye with templars as far as healing is concerned. The "healer only" argument doesn't fly anymore.Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »I honestly believe magplar to be the third easiest class in the game after stamwarden and stamnb, and ive only got 30 days gamplay compared to 500 magnb 100 magdk 60 magsorc 50 stamnb. The only struggle is bursting tanky targets becauase of the lack of a good ult. That, and make blazing spear cc again
BLAZING SPEAR CC
Yesss, good old days.Edited by Kelces on 26 April 2018 19:09You reveal yourself best in how you play.
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Stibbons✭✭✭✭✭Magica Templar is the worst class to play solo.
- Javelin is a terrible cc as it pushes away from you when your spammable is melee range
- Horrible gap closer. Again, apammable is melee range so you need to get in people's faces. The CC with it is actually a downside as I don't want to CC the guy at the start of a fight, I want to do some damage, CC, drop ultimate and then execute.
- Awful mobility. Yes, mag DK or Stam DK and stamplar not using bow suffer this too
- terrible ultimates. Nothing in the Templar skills hits hard enough, soul assault is channeled and meteor is a joke without and unblockable cc.
- The inability to switch from offence to defense instantly. Everyone else can pretty much do this in a heartbeat. On magplar, if you get stuck being deffensive while outnumbered, you're pretty much there until you rub out of resources and die. They have never real busrt window. This is a combination of bad ult choices, a channeled spammable and an execute that can be interrupted.
Magplar solo is just pointless. Two guys on you of a half decent skill level and it's so hard compared to other classes to win the fight.
Even as a healer in a group they're not great anymore. Warden has a better bust group heal (mushrooms hits 5 people as well as you for not much less than BOL hits one guy), has major mending fairly easily,, gives minor toughness to allies, can give your group major resistances, incredible ultimate gain as well as two solid group ults (trees is amazing for healing and permafrost is the difference in fights if used at the right time), has a super strong aoe healing debuff that also is a burst heal and has mobility so can move with the group efficiently. Sure, you don't have shards, but you do give sustain through mushroom heal and green balance passives. You lack purify, but to be honest, effecient purge is better in group fights as your DD don't have to worry about it - you purge while they keep on killing.
I agree 100%. Magplar is just too weak.0 -
Darrett✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »healing class, suppose to heal people.
i don't understand why everyone think that templars are suppose to be massive worriers and kill everyone.
you guys are suppose to be healing people and healing your self.
that is your defense. your offence is suppose to be very weak.
that's the way it is in every single MMO ever made.
That's an opinion. My opinion is that every class should be able to fill every role. According to the devs, that was the goal to begin with.
I’d say both can and probably should be true.
Each class should be able to fill each role by utilizing a class defining feature. For Templars, that’s healing and light skills. Other classes shouldn’t accomplish their goals by encroaching on what defines Templars, which ZOS appears to be missing the boat on. At some point, every class will just homogenize and it’ll be irrelevant.
I wouldn’t have a problem if Templar was forever unable to DPS at the same level as NBs or Sorcs, for instance, provided they NBs and Sorcs were unable to provide simultaneous group support while doing DPS and Templars were. The classes should matter significantly more than the current direction ZOS is taking them.
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Stibbons✭✭✭✭✭Magplar need heals that nobody else steals and major mending.Edited by Stibbons on 26 April 2019 19:030
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