Xarc wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

Despite subclassing, there're still people asking for class change token ?

Subclassing does not let you change the entire Class, only 2 Skill Lines which both need to be from different Classes.


Subclassing is awesome, but not the same thing as changing your Class.
You cannot use everything from other Classes:
- Class Sets.
- Class Mastery Scripts.
- Class Mastery Passive Skills.
- Class Outfit Styles.

sure, but you can also create a new character?

I can return to you the argument of the AwA, or the countless number of possibilities for easy XP and to easily raise your character to lvl50 in 2 days.

Not everyone has 20 characters, so rather than asking for a Token to change class, buy an additional character token first

LunaFlora wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

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MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

What’s the point if I may ask? Just to avoid levelling? That would completely kill the whole reason to have exp scrolls and other bonuses etc.

Not at all, it's to avoid having repeat quest grind mainly for skillpoints. Especially if you've done all the quests before multiple times. It takes months.

Nobody is grinding quests for skill points, that's what Skyshards are for. Takes you a couple days at most to get everything you need.

FelisCatus wrote: »

Kisakee wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

M0ntie wrote: »

YffresTrill wrote: »

thorwyn wrote: »

I find it very dismissive to start a poll and then be upset about people not answering the way you want to hear. Some people came up with perfectly valid reasons why class change is NOT a good idea from the game design perspective. As long as you are unable to eliminate those objections, "let us have fun" is not a convincing argument pro class change.
Also, in my books, roleplaying your characters means that they have some kind of background that can not be *POOF* magically changed, because it "suits the roleplay better".

I am not convinced by any arguments against it because I cannot see how anything raised is more important than letting everyone play how they want. However, I cannot see how I could convince anyone who does think that is a lesser concern otherwise. All I can do is state my opinion, as I have done.

Edit to add: The method of roleplay you have described is no more nor less valid than anyone else's.

"Play as you want" is a line that gets so abused. Using this argument I could say "I want to play so that when I first login I have a fully levelled character with all sets - give it to me ZoS." Also you can play as you want, you just don't want to do the work or pay the money.

If you want the same character but a different class with minimal grinding, do this:
- buy an appearance change token and check your current characters creation sliders. Exit the appearance change.
- create a new character of the different class that looks the same.
- Buy all the skill lines that you want from the crown store.
- Level the character to 50 which doesn't take long especially with XP scrolls and/or in an event.
- Buy mount speed etc tokens and level up mount speed.

The point is, you can buy what you need to make the same character again in a different class. Why would ZoS sell you a class change token for any less than it costs to buy all the things already available?

Yeah but what about quests and all the skill points? Considering how big the game is it could take months. Then you'd be burnt out doing all the quests you've already done.

What else are you gonna do if your main character already completed everything and you just switched class on it?

Have more fun when I play?! I don't know why it's so difficult for you naysayers to understand.

And what exactly are you playing at that point? Repeatable quests where you just told me that you don't want to do the same quests again on another toon?

so some people, likely a lot of people that play this game more for the rp part in mmorpg instead of just mmo,
love going through the story with the character they made.
usually that's one main character for all the big story quests, and side quests.

and this game has 39 zone stories.
extra quest lines for stuff like balmora, the fighters guild, psijic order, mages guild, all companions(6 so far), and we will continue to get these long very lovely stories.
so people want to play through future story quests too.
not just repeatable quests, but sometimes those can be fun too.

however some people, like me, also think the new Arcanist class fits our main character and would love to change their class.
or want to change it for another one of our characters who we imagined as a necromancer before that class came out perhaps.

if it were a questing character like mine i can't just easily make an arcanist and go through all the story quests like before and have the same character, that would take likely close to a year.

Nobody is grinding quests for skill points yea totally!
some people like having all the extra dialogue that characters give if you've met them before or someone they're connected to. and people can get attached to their characters if they've been playing with them for years and years. especially if they've taken them through nearly the entire game.

it's probably quite hard for zos to make a class change token to happen, but clearly lots of people want it who have given plenty of reasons for it. so if it ever happens it'll definitely get used.