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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861

Dear Matt Firor

ddejonghprb19_ESO

I want to write to you an open letter about my concerns with EsO pvp at this moment.
I have to say sorry for my English since it isn't my main language. I will try to write the best I can.

I am a veteran pvp player who started to enjoy it in Asherons call player killer and then moved on to DAoC about 1 month after it got released.
Although the levelling in DAoC was harsh I enjoyed the pvp I encountered in that game ALOT.
I played a hib ranger and I was spotted in thid a lot, and later in Darknes falls and even the enemy pvp zones. I had to sneak in stealth for hours and hours to get to the places where mids and albs grinded mobs to level up.
Nothing more fun to try and kill them. Mostly it worked, sometimes I failed.
No matter what....it was always fun.

I also enjoyed the relic attacks and defending. CTA, CTA (call to arms) was shouted sometimes in alliance (group of liked guilds that could talk to each otter in alliance chat) when albs or mids tried to take our relics and everyone stopped what they was doing. Hundreds and hundreds of players pored into the rvr zone trying to reach the relic keep in time, or they moved to the gates trying to stop the enemy of leaving the zone with the relics. Every one helped....lvls 5 to
Realm pride was very high.

I was happy to see your name connected to EsO and stepped in the beta.
Although the pve in Elders scroll is very bad due to the fact its nearly impossible to level with friends I work my way trough it.
After I reached 10 in beta, but also now, I went into pvp. Pvp is my only reason to play EsO, and with me I can speak for me small guild.

My guild is made of the same team I play with since 2003. We met in DAoC and since then we tried out loads of games in search of the best pvp fights.
We don't like the arena styles like in WoW although at first the pvp servers there had fun moments. We did Warhammer, Aion, Guild wars 2 and some others.

I have to ask you what went wrong with pvp in EsO?
How could a guy with so much knowledge of pvp, and who helped design the best pvp ever in mmo history lost his way so much?

I explain what I mean...
Imagine you are a lvl 10 or 25 player who never did pvp in an mmo, but would like to try it. What will you find?
Cyrodiil is a huge and nice area. Good designed with loads of stuff that can be done. Good keeps, bridges and stuff. So far no issues.
Offcourse they understand they need to be careful what they fight. They might be boosted up, they are not 50 and cant take on a real 50.
So they stick to the zerg or maybe small guild groups.

they work hard to get 50 only to find out its still not enough to do stuff solo in pvp...nope you need to get to vet 10. If working up to 50 isn't hard enough you now need to work even harder to get vet 10.
At vet 10 they cheer and dance and cry on each other shoulders. They made it.
So back to pvp...
to find...they didn't make a sorc or DK. And so they fail.

My biggest worries with EsO pvp is that vet ranks and vamps got added waaaaay to soon. They now spoil pvp so much, that even for hard-core players like me and my guild the fun isn't there anymore .
We see entire zergs made up out of aoe spamming sorcs that run round like the botters in dungeons (I am not saying they are botting, they look the same)
Everywhere you see vet 10, and unless you are vet 10 your self your have no shot of winning at all.
The "best" fights we seen last week. 2 dominion vet 10 got attacked by at least 15 of our side. Highest we had was a vet 3, lowest was lvl 35.
We attacked with all we could, and got help from more and more. two us us stopped and started to count. In total the vet 10 killed over 60 players of our side. wave after wave they killed and we hardly see the health bars move. If it moved they plopped away, only to return seconds later full health.
The fight was just outside a keep so players who died could respawn quick and rush back into the fight.
In the end more and more high vet ranks rushed in and we got them down. respect to the enemy..but this never should have happened.
They could do this because of the insane bugs with the vamp styles. Plopping ability of the sorc, and DK shield slam.

after 1 month we can conclude pvp is no place to go unless you are at least lvl 50 vet 5.
If you are not a sorc or DK don't go solo.

Aren't you guys worried about this?
Why did you put vet ranks in so early? it should have been the first expansion after 6 months or so.
Why added the vampires so early? should have been the 2nd expansion after 1 year or so.
Why add the plop ability for sorcs? Every game since 2001 show it will ruin the fighting in pvp.
Why the to powerfull shield ability on DK. Its a dps tank and all these players do is put stuff in health and none in damage so they can do the best damage in pvp....read it again. All in health and NONE in stam for best damage in pvp?????
Why cant we lvl nice in pvp?
Why not make lvl 50 highest in the game until so also new players could learn pvp normaly?
Why no battle grounds like in DAoC for each 10 lvls to learn pvp in the game? so 10-20 in one open zone. 21-30, 31-40 etc etc.

Now you guys will ad the DF dungeon in this game. DF in DAoC was awesome because of the relation it handed between pve and pvp.
PvP had to open it...and after that players from pve could port in for awesome lvling. Pvp players went there to kill the eney players inside.
Are you going to add the same thing?
How can pve players go there?
Can pve players go there?
Why would a none vet10 vamp go there?
What are you trying to do there?

Matt I am worried because we players get the idea you guys are not listening to the pvp players at all.
all we see is pve, pve and more pve.
Bug fixes are for pve.
New content is pve.
Q&A is just for pve.

and why? there is no pve end game in EsO AT ALL.
All players can do at highest lvl is go pvp....and you guys don't care about it...or at least don't show it.

Pvp lag since 4th april is insane.
Forums and internet explode on zoning issues.
To powerfull one button skills.

And we don't hear at all from you.

talk to us pvp players Matt.
Show us that you care and that you listen.

We respect you a lot but respect can be lost.
Talk to us and help us enjoy the game. Even if you can solve the issues now...talk to us and let us know you care.

Don't just listen to marketing people because you guys make more cash of the pve minded players.

EsO could be the next best thing after DAoC in pvp. But seeing so many alrdy cancel accounts after only 1 month worries me.
I know it also worries you guys, but the answer isn't in add more pve.
The answer is in improve pvp for all lvls. THERE is the true gold.

Hope to hear soon of you.
best regards
Pyltje
Myrmidon guild
  • Ri_Dariit
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    @ddejonghprb19_ESO forget to link to makers via @ZOS_MattFiror so he will get notified.
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  • RazzPitazz
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    Concidering how polite you were, and personally addressed it, I am bumping this. Deserves acknowledgment.
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  • JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO
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    This is ESO not DAOC.
  • arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO
    Nice post. I hope MATT FIROR will read it soon and take care about it.
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  • Tarwin
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    Good read and well written. Brought tears to my eyes remembering the days of DAoC
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    Per our rules on cross-posting, we're closing this thread as it is a duplicate of this discussion. Please feel free to continue the conversation there. Thank you!
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