Erickson9610 wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

The 2 and 4 piece kill the set for a PvE DPS, on top of the natural 30% that non-pet Sorc has fallen behind ones that use pets. Beacon of Oblivion would need to provide 30% damage to make it competitive, not to mention… Daedric Summoning class set punishing Daedric Summoners.

If you want a stronger PvE Werewolf, just go Dragonknight with the new Pyreborne set, from what I’m hearing it’s stronger than Relequen, so you can just stack the two.

There is truly no scenario in which Beacon of Oblivion is optimal, or even makes sense.

Although Pyrebrand is very strong, it's limited to the Dragonknight class. Through my testing on the PTS, I found that Pyrebrand+Relequen's on a Dragonknight Werewolf gives about 3k less DPS on the trial dummy than Pillar of Nirn+Relequen's on a Templar Werewolf does. You'd expect DK to have higher DPS due to its superior sets, but that's not all that's at play here.

The difference comes from the Class passives available to you in Werewolf form — Dragonknights don't have a lot of damage passives that work in Werewolf form (they really only have increased Burning and Poisoned damage) while Templars have an increase to Weapon and Spell Damage and an additional proc via Burning Light.

Erickson9610 wrote: »

C_Inside wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Theist_VII wrote: »

The 2 and 4 piece kill the set for a PvE DPS, on top of the natural 30% that non-pet Sorc has fallen behind ones that use pets. Beacon of Oblivion would need to provide 30% damage to make it competitive, not to mention… Daedric Summoning class set punishing Daedric Summoners.

If you want a stronger PvE Werewolf, just go Dragonknight with the new Pyreborne set, from what I’m hearing it’s stronger than Relequen, so you can just stack the two.

There is truly no scenario in which Beacon of Oblivion is optimal, or even makes sense.

Although Pyrebrand is very strong, it's limited to the Dragonknight class. Through my testing on the PTS, I found that Pyrebrand+Relequen's on a Dragonknight Werewolf gives about 3k less DPS on the trial dummy than Pillar of Nirn+Relequen's on a Templar Werewolf does. You'd expect DK to have higher DPS due to its superior sets, but that's not all that's at play here.

The difference comes from the Class passives available to you in Werewolf form — Dragonknights don't have a lot of damage passives that work in Werewolf form (they really only have increased Burning and Poisoned damage) while Templars have an increase to Weapon and Spell Damage and an additional proc via Burning Light.

Have you tested Templar werewolf vs Sorcerer werewolf? It was my understanding that Sorc is the best class for werewolf due to the passives. Now that you brought up Templar, though, I'm not so sure anymore.

The point of this thread was to see if you can min/max werewolf dps in pve more than what we already know, but if Templar is the better class then this whole thread is obsolete and further discussions on the topic of Beacon werewolf are pointless.

I just tested the same setup on a Sorcerer Werewolf versus on a Templar Werewolf. The Sorcerer got ~104k DPS, while the Templar got ~107k DPS. Earlier when testing, I got a Dragonknight with Pyrebrand instead of Pillar of Nirn to hit ~103k DPS.

Here's the Sorcerer (103.9k DPS):


And here's the Templar (106.8k DPS):


Sorcerer lost a lot of Werewolf DPS when the damage type of the light and heavy attacks was changed from Physical Damage to Bleed Damage. They did get a damage boost with Expert Summoner giving Werewolf Berserkers +10% Maximum Stamina, but that's not nearly as powerful as Templar's Burning Light, which accounts for about 5k DPS. Sorcerer's Werewolf abilities hit harder on average than Templar's Werewolf abilities, though, possibly due to the Amplitude passive. In particular, Werewolf's main spammable, Piercing Howl, still deals Physical Damage and is still boosted by the Energized passive.

Here's what it looks like to replace Pillar of Nirn with Beacon of Oblivion with this build (104.4k DPS):


Sorcerer Werewolf gains about 500 DPS using their Class Set instead of Pillar of Nirn. It's actually better than running Pillar of Nirn + Relequen's, but it's still a few thousand DPS less than Templar Werewolf. If it's any consolation, know that none of Templar's Class Sets work in Werewolf form due to the strict ability requirements.