They kinda just flubbed the vampire thing a long time ago, and they just keep sweeping it further under the rug. XD

What it should be:
As you advance in the stages:
Healing debuff from other sources increases, like a permanent major and minor defile, let's say a 40 or 50% healing debuff at max level, which is very significant (most people would say 18% and allow defile to stack, but this change makes it a more viable choice to play than the current state of it while still being a significant drawback)
Regeneration bonus increases, as you have fed you will regenerate more quickly

What it is:
less regeneration, as if you are a drained husk (some dev said "that is the price you pay")
non-vampire abilities cost more
vampire abilities are cheaper

I think everyone generally accepts the fire debuff even though it's proven to be something Lamae was able to wake up while torched and walk out of.

Honestly it makes little sense to make abilities cost health while not allowing healh regen. It's the biggest middle finger they could have given to the vampire class.

It is good that creative works are allowed to be creative and not bound to what others creative beings have done before them. As such, what has been done in vampire movies is very irrelevant.

Of course, players can disagree with the vampire design in ESO, but that is not what is being asked here.

I was able to solo world bosses with the vampire skill line fully equipped using an Oakensoul Ring and the skills to heal myself on a fully Max HP build w/ 5Pc Wretched Vitality, 1pc Trainee, 1pc Druid, 2 pc Magma, 3pc Witch-Knight. 2 Heavy Reinforced, 2 light, and 3 Medium pcs.

For Damage I'd hit Mistform into Sated Fury and then spam Arterial Burst.

Then to heal up I tap Mistform to proc Strike from Shadows, then hit Exhilarating Drain to heal up with and then turn off the Sated Fury to top off my Health.

The DK passives made the whole thing work for me, mostly because of the resource return when I hit the Ultimate.

I took it into pvp, and the heal reduction from being in there made it impossible to play at all.

Duke_Falcon wrote: »

I was able to solo world bosses with the vampire skill line fully equipped using an Oakensoul Ring and the skills to heal myself on a fully Max HP build w/ 5Pc Wretched Vitality, 1pc Trainee, 1pc Druid, 2 pc Magma, 3pc Witch-Knight. 2 Heavy Reinforced, 2 light, and 3 Medium pcs.

For Damage I'd hit Mistform into Sated Fury and then spam Arterial Burst.

Then to heal up I tap Mistform to proc Strike from Shadows, then hit Exhilarating Drain to heal up with and then turn off the Sated Fury to top off my Health.

The DK passives made the whole thing work for me, mostly because of the resource return when I hit the Ultimate.

I took it into pvp, and the heal reduction from being in there made it impossible to play at all.

I use a similar set up but I rarely Mistform just to proc Strike From the Shadows due to how weak the damage bonus's duration is. Also replace Oakensoul with Pale Order, change Arterial Burst with Blood for Blood, and use Coagulating Blood as the primary heal. Exhilarating Drain is on the back bar with a Decisive weapon for the sole purpose of rapid ultimate generation.

In PvP I remove Sated Fury and use Shattering Rocks for a heal + stun, make more use out of Mistform, and run Burning Spellweave front bar, Clever Alchemist back bar, and Balorgh Monster set. (5 light, 1 medium,and 1 heavy)

Heal over time is covered by Burning Embers and as a DK I do make great use out of the bonus melee range and Battle Roar passive with the vampire ultimate making a true reset button.

ZOS have pretty much ruined vampire and most of us have lost any hope of it from every being useful in PvE and PvP.

Amottica wrote: »

It is good that creative works are allowed to be creative and not bound to what others creative beings have done before them. As such, what has been done in vampire movies is very irrelevant.

Of course, players can disagree with the vampire design in ESO, but that is not what is being asked here.

This is correct. Because in Elder Scrolls Lore, even during the good ol' days when Oblivion was an important game and Skyrim was just myth and legend, there were books that described in detail the various Vampires of Tamriel. This included their mystical abilities as well as a few notable differences.

So it makes complete sense that from even the very beginning of Elder Scrolls they wanted to have an independent vision for their Vampires which is healthy. But balancing that for a video game can be a challenge.

Need change vampire stages should look like this.

Vampire Stage: 1/2/3/4
Regular Ability Costs: +3%/+6%/+9%/+12%
Flame Damage Taken: +5%/+10%/+15%/+20%
Vampire Ability Costs: -7%/-14%/-21%/-28%

Vampires in general have high regenerative abilities.
At least there is no reason to reduce Health Recovery.

Imo the rules of other fictional universes shouldn't matter in this fictional universe.

It's actually very common in many fantasy properties (DnD or Divinity just to name a couple) that undead races cannot heal with normal healing or have some sort of "reverse" healing mechanic. They use the life-force of others to heal. Seems very on brand for ESO's vamps

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

It's actually very common in many fantasy properties (DnD or Divinity just to name a couple) that undead races cannot heal with normal healing or have some sort of "reverse" healing mechanic. They use the life-force of others to heal. Seems very on brand for ESO's vamps

the joke is that the local vampires do not have abilities that would be able to heal really well due to damage vampirism. The ultimate, perhaps, which still needs to be filled, myst form, which is used in very narrowly focused builds, and then, in pve it was nerfed, in pvp too, well, completely useless vampire drain, the healing of which is simply ridiculous, like the damage, and moreover, it still needs to be supported, and that is all

Vevvev wrote: »

They borrowed a lot from things like World of Darkness where vampires can't heal without an expenditure of blood. Passive healing is non-existent.

In fact a lot of the things from the rework like Blood Frenzy, Claw Strikes, and running so fast you turn invisible has a lot of parallels to Vampire the Masquerade stuff in World of Darkness. Granted VtM got a lot of it's stuff from folklore to.

One thing is for certain, these are not TES vampires in what we've come to expect.

Actually, the first TES vampires were also heavily inspired by World of Darkness. So one could argue this is more inline with the original spirit of the vampires in TES. Honestly, I think it's just the clan we are a part of in ESO. In lore the clans all different in how there curses effect them.