Anzaman wrote: »

And in my opinion all three should be more or less equal.

Increased fire damage is already quite insane, at least in PvE, and most of the mobs are able to one-shot you if you don't pop any defensive abilities against it (or stack fire resistance).

Even today when I was in Cyrodiil, most of the Vampires I encountered were killed almost instantly after their Mist Form was over. Maybe you should try to slow them down and bash the effect off.

Yet, you are only gimping yourself for not being a Vampire in PvE. The fire resist is so easily countered it is barely a downside. Vampire wasn't meant to be an upgrade, but a side grade. It is largely an upgrade, thus you see so many, and there is no reason not to carry anti vampire abilities as the number of vampires is so high.

working on getting at least 2 of my jewelry the purple 1000% fire resistance glyphs on erm, im not a pvp player by the way, so pls no hate

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

just because you do not like vampires or our skills does not mean there needs to be evil and bad things happen to our skill line and damage to us.

And just because you like vampire does not mean that they are not pretty much a straight upgrade (something they were never meant to be). Even after the nerfs, your skills will still be stronger and cheaper than most skills in the game. You'll still have the largest reduction in spell and ultimate costs in the game. You'll still have easily negated downsides, and you'll still have probably the best sustain skill in the game. You'll still be in better shape than many other skill lines.

Noth wrote: »

Anzaman wrote: »

And in my opinion all three should be more or less equal.

Increased fire damage is already quite insane, at least in PvE, and most of the mobs are able to one-shot you if you don't pop any defensive abilities against it (or stack fire resistance).

Even today when I was in Cyrodiil, most of the Vampires I encountered were killed almost instantly after their Mist Form was over. Maybe you should try to slow them down and bash the effect off.

Yet, you are only gimping yourself for not being a Vampire in PvE. The fire resist is so easily countered it is barely a downside. Vampire wasn't meant to be an upgrade, but a side grade. It is largely an upgrade, thus you see so many, and there is no reason not to carry anti vampire abilities as the number of vampires is so high.

Actually being a vampire or werewolf was supposed to be a upgrade at the cost of a weakness. Werewolves and vampires were never a side grade in Elder Scrolls. Throughout the Elder Scrolls series vampires and werewolves were given immense power but balanced by making them more vulnerable to a certain attack.
If vampires and werewolves are intended to only be a side grade then the game is on a dangerous path because it neglects fun gameplay.

Thevenin wrote: »

Anzaman wrote: »

Even today when I was in Cyrodiil, most of the Vampires I encountered were killed almost instantly after their Mist Form was over.

Oh, they were killed really fast by the 30+ people they were trolling around with Mist Form for 3 minutes ?
How very outrageous ! Buff vampires !

Indeed, how dare it take 30 people to kill one vampire. Obviously vampires are under performing, more so than werewolves, so they deserve a major buff!

I swear it will be a cold day in hell when people realize its not vampire skill line that is the problem, but how DK and Sorc class skills affect it with thier ultimate stacking. Give me a call when you see NB or temp Vampires wrecking the set. And for all people that say vampire has no weakness; how about you become one and go stick your toe in fire and see how that treats you. Even with max flame resist you are still taking an extra 25% fire damage and missing out on a very good enchant that could go to other things because as we all know jewel craft enchants are the best slot enchants in the game and the only slot fire resist can be put on. In short buff werewolves and put a hard cap on Ultimate reduction in game. Any ultimate would be overpowered that could be spammed endlessly; its just that bat swarm get the attention because its the only ultimate that heals the caster and does damage at the same time.

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

TheGrimaceOR wrote: »

I swear it will be a cold day in hell when people realize its not vampire skill line that is the problem, but how DK and Sorc class skills affect it with thier ultimate stacking. Give me a call when you see NB or temp Vampires wrecking the set. And for all people that say vampire has no weakness; how about you become one and go stick your toe in fire and see how that treats you. Even with max flame resist you are still taking an extra 25% fire damage and missing out on a very good enchant that could go to other things because as we all know jewel craft enchants are the best slot enchants in the game and the only slot fire resist can be put on. In short buff werewolves and put a hard cap on Ultimate reduction in game. Any ultimate would be overpowered that could be spammed endlessly; its just that bat swarm get the attention because its the only ultimate that heals the caster and does damage at the same time.

No no no, your vampire abilities completely negate any weakness because you have a passive that decreases all damage taken by 50% when you get low on HP and you have an ability that decreases all damage taken by 75% and makes you elusive. Spell resistance reduces the fire weaknesses. Spell resistance+undeath passive+elusive mist= an invincible vampire.

It doesn't kick in until after we are below 50% health and the damage reduction scales the lower we go, however most big fire damage will pop us before that point. As for elusive mist you can't cast any abilites at all when in that form, yes you could pop a ultimate before that but that goes back to needing an ultimate reduction hard cap so it can't be spammed. The bug of being able to get heal ticks while in mist form does need fixed. Not to mention 3/4 of the vampire passive don't even work most of the time due to the feeding stages bug. Spell resistance+undeath passive+elusive mist= a tough vampire for 4 seconds that can't attack and can only suck up damage. There are much better damage resist class skills and you can attack while using them. The only thing mist form is good for is a bolt escape or if you are a tank and took the other morph keeping up slight aoe damage while aborbing a big hit. If there was another ultimate in the game that healed and did damage we would not have this rampant crying against vampires. In 99.8% of the people complaining about vampires it is almost always a DK. Things with vampire need nerfed and fixed but the real problem is DK's and ultimate stacking.