Magsorc is doing more than fine with Crystal Weapon.

I'm afraid this video is 100% accurate.
Magsorc has been left behind and needs a lot of work.
Streak barely works during primetime and is literally the 1 crutch the class has and it's not reliable.
Shield stacking is a thing of past reliability and stability and does not work in such a high damage environment.
Magsorc damage is laughable at best at this point and the kit the class has doesn't really synergise with new crutches such as Oakensoul (looking at you nightblades)
Magsorc doesn't even have a class spammable (I'm not hard casting frags in PvP...that is just going to get interrupted instantly and out on CD)
Giving stamsorcs Crystal frags and nerfing the procc rate to reflect it being able to procc of stam skills as well is a nice option for stamsorc but again...when we rely on frags to be up for our burst combo (that deals literally 15k combined if everything crits - stamblades on oakensoul are getting 17k bow crits and that's 1 skill(yes it's dodgeable but so is frags) it's not even up for every time it's needed.
I'm not picking on Nightblades for the sake of it, I'm just using them as an example. magDK and magplar are literally miles ahead of magsorcs.

Tldr:
Give us a decent spammable, stop making us rely on frag proccs for burst dmge(burst that is RNG and lower than other classes RELIABLE burst combos) and for the love of dearness STOP jerfing the procc chance (yes it's a smallish nerf but the difference is noticeable in some situations.)

The next part:
What procc sets does a magsorc synergise with?
Unless your going for a bombsorc ....none?
Draugrkin was a carrying magsorc last patch. now there's kinda nothing.
Every class has proccsets that synergise with the class but magsorc rn
Draugrkin is still good on magden and magden has higher survivability than Magsorc

I think it's time to make a streak/negate pvp healer .... that's all the class is good for outside of some really wierd group builds

divnyi wrote: »

"Shield specs are usually squishy"

https://us.v-cdn.net/5020507/uploads/editor/hl/0rb8pd5fdb66.jpg

This build isn't even in the same ballpark as viable.
And if you think Crystal Weapon - an expensive stam skill is "just fine" on MagSorc, you're out of your mind. It'll consume all your stam and then you're dead because you can't break free the necessary 3 times to get out of anything.

That video is one of the best magsorcs in the game saying the class is trash. If they can't make the class viable, it's bad.

Tsunahmie wrote: »

I'm afraid this video is 100% accurate.
Magsorc has been left behind and needs a lot of work.
Streak barely works during primetime and is literally the 1 crutch the class has and it's not reliable.
Shield stacking is a thing of past reliability and stability and does not work in such a high damage environment.
Magsorc damage is laughable at best at this point and the kit the class has doesn't really synergise with new crutches such as Oakensoul (looking at you nightblades)
Magsorc doesn't even have a class spammable (I'm not hard casting frags in PvP...that is just going to get interrupted instantly and out on CD)
Giving stamsorcs Crystal frags and nerfing the procc rate to reflect it being able to procc of stam skills as well is a nice option for stamsorc but again...when we rely on frags to be up for our burst combo (that deals literally 15k combined if everything crits - stamblades on oakensoul are getting 17k bow crits and that's 1 skill(yes it's dodgeable but so is frags) it's not even up for every time it's needed.
I'm not picking on Nightblades for the sake of it, I'm just using them as an example. magDK and magplar are literally miles ahead of magsorcs.

Tldr:
Give us a decent spammable, stop making us rely on frag proccs for burst dmge(burst that is RNG and lower than other classes RELIABLE burst combos) and for the love of dearness STOP jerfing the procc chance (yes it's a smallish nerf but the difference is noticeable in some situations.)

The next part:
What procc sets does a magsorc synergise with?
Unless your going for a bombsorc ....none?
Draugrkin was a carrying magsorc last patch. now there's kinda nothing.
Every class has proccsets that synergise with the class but magsorc rn
Draugrkin is still good on magden and magden has higher survivability than Magsorc

I think it's time to make a streak/negate pvp healer .... that's all the class is good for outside of some really wierd group builds

What’s wrong with crushing shock or elemental weapon?

https://youtu.be/kwOWOgZij7M
There's this video from 2 months ago from a different content creator as well

Ask around or look on the Forums.
Most people HATE the clunkiness of Elemental weapon.
Crushing shock is fine but still not an in class spammable. Where is the diversity?
Edit: your question is essentially what about a skill that feels like sandpaper to use or a decent skill that 95% of everyone else uses because the other option is sandpaper?

divnyi wrote: »

Tsunahmie wrote: »

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divnyi wrote: »

Tsunahmie wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

"Shield specs are usually squishy"

What players are you going to kill with 1k penetration and -3.2k spelldmge fully buffed?
I can play like that as well and kill nabs but you're never ever ever going to kill good players with those stats. Survive? Yes but your going to kill them slower than my nan with arthritis hitting me with a pillow

Check magica stat.

So:
50k mag is fine but 1k pen is still not enough.
How are you going to justify using a costly stamina spammable on 19k stam with less than 900 recovery? Even with major stam recovery buff and say being on a highelf that's not exactly good.

Don't use dodges, unless really need to get rid of that immobilize. Don't use blocks. Facetank through superior armor and healing, standing in mines. Time this skill instead of spamming it. It is 2s burst. Spam shocks.

So your solution is to not use core combat abilities,
Use a stamina skill as your "burst" and spam a skill in the hopes that your 1k pen will somehow not tickle?
I guess you can run whatever you like when zergsurfing...
I'm seriously not trying to pick your build apart but apart from tankiness it doesn't offer what you're trying to say it does...or even what magsorc should do

divnyi wrote: »

@Tsunahmie idk what's your problem. OP mentioned he is having troubles fighting strong opponents. I run this in higher-MMR BGs, and it doesn't feel bad. Maybe that's "zerg surfing" by your definition, but then if your definition is 1vX newbies, OP mentioned he has no troubles with that.

BGs and Cyrodiil have completely different requirements. I don't have a problem with you personally, I have a problem with your portraying of your build. In BGs you can get away with a build like yours just fine but I would challenge you to not get frustrated in Cyrodiil running what your are.
1vX requires the X to generally be worse than the 1. That's a given
1vX doesn't mean necessarily mean newbies and the problem with a build like yours is that the moment a by your definition "newbie" has an even somewhat decent setup or knows what an armour buff is, is that your build is going to struggle to do anything but die a slow painful death.
My problem is that you don't seem able to understand or acknowledge the flaws of your build and the flaws of the magsorc class. Your solutions, while somewhat viable in a group BG setting are somewhat fine, the moment you take a build like that into OW is where you're gonna struggle outside of zergsurfing.
You're not even running a stun outside of atronach ulti or an interrupt on crushing shock....experienced players aren't going to run into your mines just for the sake of it....
Your build has 0 mobility, 0 snare resist meaning the moment you get overwhelmed you have no escape. Judging by your build and arguments, I highly doubt you know how to bunnyhop or even what is, correct me if I'm wrong. But even if you do... that's not going to help you with the extreme low mobility in your build.
If you're going to try and argue that this build can successfully pull off OW pvp in smallscale vs (any smallscale)vX I would have to see it to believe it.
In my experience, your build turns you into the group's liability.

Tsunahmie wrote: »

Ask around or look on the Forums.
Most people HATE the clunkiness of Elemental weapon.
Crushing shock is fine but still not an in class spammable. Where is the diversity?
Edit: your question is essentially what about a skill that feels like sandpaper to use or a decent skill that 95% of everyone else uses because the other option is sandpaper?

I get the desire for a class spammable for flavor reasons. But it won’t help with actual effectiveness. You have access to two spammables already (I disagree about elemental weapon but w/e). Whether it’s a class ability or not doesn’t really matter aside from flavor. I agree sorcs need some love.. a class spammable would be nice but it won’t give them any more killing power than they have now.

I could care less about a spammable. Hybridization was the worst thing I could even imagine, and tbh, it was worse than I could imagine. Stam characters have always been tankier and always been able to do considerably more dmg in a pvp setting. Now they have access to the only things that even made mag playable. Why play mag now?

You wanna know how to fix magsorc? Make people afraid of getting a curse on them and not dodge rolling the fury like they used to be. Now they can all face tank entire combos and seldom go below half health. Sorc kills so slow now you can just sit and heal through everything, or just casually walk away.

divnyi wrote: »

Magsorc is doing more than fine with Crystal Weapon.

Mag sorc with Crystal Weapon is doing slightly better than a mag sorc with Crystal Frag (RIP Crystal Fragment)
But that skill is extremely expensive and really hard to sustain on magica builds.

Currently I play a shield sorc with bow and crystal weapon (yep it sounds creepy). It works really well against squishy payers but it falls apart quickly when you deal with a half decent player.

Maybe if Crystal Weapon would have been a magica skill it would be a different story, but right now magica sorcerers are about to get extinct.

Kory wrote: »

Sorcerer power creep 101.

Bringing a class that's underperforming up to par is NOT power creep.
Anyone playing right now can clearly see that MagSoc is underperforming and StamSorc overperforming, it is self evident that something needs to be done to address both issues.

MagSorc has had its abilities nerfed in the past to prevent overperforming in a long dead meta but the current meta has surpassed where MagSorc was in the past and now it needs to get some of those abilities back to make it viable. This shouldn't be controversial.

HonestLoverr wrote: »

Nerf oakensoul. Buff sorc. Yea. Ok. What comes next?

Nerf StamSorc is what comes next, and maybe buff Waraden? Game balance 101. Address underperforming areas and overperforming areas. MagSorc is underperforming, Oakensoul and StamSorc are overperforming. OakenDK is also overperforming but since DK got a much needed nerf already it'd be nice to see that play out without the absurdity Oakensoul brings to the class... but this is a thread specifically about what needs to be done to make MagSorc not suck.

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Hybrid Sorc is stronger than Mag Sorc this patch.

Curse + Shock + Overload + Crystal Weapon = 25k damage instantly

Unless your target dodges, blocks, and line of sights everything. Then you can cry.

not sure right now what quality of players will fall for slow flying projectiles, but certainly not good ones, probably not even mediocre ones